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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:01 pm

Montmorencia wrote:Could you translate Up North, Our Homeland.

Up North as in the colloquial name of Northern Michigan and the phrase "I'd Rather Be Up North".

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My best shot is: Per Septentrionalia, Patria Nostra. Literally, it means, "Throughout the Northern (Regions), Our Fatherland". The great strength of this translation is that "upper peninsula" in Latin would be something like "Paeninsula Supera", and so this preserves, to a limited extent, the "U.P." wordplay by creating a first phrase which has the same "P.S." initials.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:14 am

Gigaverse wrote:See, you put me in a bind here. "Dart" as we know it wasn't exactly a Greco-Roman thingy...

The best I can approximate would be "Maritelum", but that's neuter-gendered. "Mariruna" is... meh, but it at least wouldn't be neuter-gendered. Unless there's something about biology and taxonomy that I haven't learned about.

I was thinking of the [relatively] short throwing weapons issued to some troops in the later Roman Empire, whose existence I originally read about in Graves's novel 'Count Belisarius' and then saw confirmed by the WRG army lists.

I don't think that genus names (or their derivatives) officially have to have any specific gender, at least generally, although keeping to one gender or another might be considered 'proper' by taxonomists specialising in certain groups: The species' designator has to agree in gender with the genus name, but AFAIK that's it.

Gigaverse wrote:Technically, it's "osteo-"; the o disappearing due to the vowel.
Please tell me: Is that a general rule for all prefixes in such situations (including, for example, Lupi- and Celeri-), or a rule that only applies when the prefixes are of Greek origin rather than genuinely Latin, or one that only applies to prefixes with the eo- ending, or what?

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Please, would somebody confirm or correct the following prefixes for use in genus names?

Winged- => Ptera-
Flying- => Volanti-
Snake- => Serpenti
Northern- => Boreo-
Southern- => Noto-
Green- => Chloro-, or Viridi-
Arrow- => Sagittari-
Side- => Lateri-

Also, for a genus of 'Crab-Eaters, would Carcinophagus be accurate?
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Postby Gigaverse » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:35 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:See, you put me in a bind here. "Dart" as we know it wasn't exactly a Greco-Roman thingy...

The best I can approximate would be "Maritelum", but that's neuter-gendered. "Mariruna" is... meh, but it at least wouldn't be neuter-gendered. Unless there's something about biology and taxonomy that I haven't learned about.

I was thinking of the [relatively] short throwing weapons issued to some troops in the later Roman Empire, whose existence I originally read about in Graves's novel 'Count Belisarius' and then saw confirmed by the WRG army lists.

I don't think that genus names (or their derivatives) officially have to have any specific gender, at least generally, although keeping to one gender or another might be considered 'proper' by taxonomists specialising in certain groups: The species' designator has to agree in gender with the genus name, but AFAIK that's it.

Ah, okay, then my suggestions would probably do.
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Gigaverse wrote:Technically, it's "osteo-"; the o disappearing due to the vowel.
Please tell me: Is that a general rule for all prefixes in such situations (including, for example, Lupi- and Celeri-), or a rule that only applies when the prefixes are of Greek origin rather than genuinely Latin, or one that only applies to prefixes with the eo- ending, or what?

A general rule of thumb is that the o and i endings of these prefixes disappear before vowels; it's not always 100% applicable, but very close to, and I suppose in taxonomy it might as well be 99.99%. The i's tend to be harder to figure out than the Greek o's though - something I figured from experience rather than reading any resource.
Bears Armed wrote:Please, would somebody confirm or correct the following prefixes for use in genus names?

I'll just address the ones that might need touching up - if I don't, just figure they're OK.
Winged

Pter(o)- [see order Pretosauria]
Southern- => Noto-

Not wrong, but rather unorthodox. Better yet that you use Austro-.
Arrow- => Sagittari-

This actually implies "archer". Either Io- or Sagitti- for this would be safer.
Bears Armed wrote:Also, for a genus of 'Crab-Eaters', would Carcinophagus be accurate?

As far as I know, yes.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:53 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:I was thinking of the [relatively] short throwing weapons issued to some troops in the later Roman Empire, whose existence I originally read about in Graves's novel 'Count Belisarius' and then saw confirmed by the WRG army lists.

I don't think that genus names (or their derivatives) officially have to have any specific gender, at least generally, although keeping to one gender or another might be considered 'proper' by taxonomists specialising in certain groups: The species' designator has to agree in gender with the genus name, but AFAIK that's it.

Ah, okay, then my suggestions would probably do.
Bears Armed wrote:Please tell me: Is that a general rule for all prefixes in such situations (including, for example, Lupi- and Celeri-), or a rule that only applies when the prefixes are of Greek origin rather than genuinely Latin, or one that only applies to prefixes with the eo- ending, or what?

A general rule of thumb is that the o and i endings of these prefixes disappear before vowels; it's not always 100% applicable, but very close to, and I suppose in taxonomy it might as well be 99.99%. The i's tend to be harder to figure out than the Greek o's though - something I figured from experience rather than reading any resource.
Bears Armed wrote:Please, would somebody confirm or correct the following prefixes for use in genus names?

I'll just address the ones that might need touching up - if I don't, just figure they're OK.
Winged

Pter(o)- [see order Pretosauria]
Southern- => Noto-

Not wrong, but rather unorthodox. Better yet that you use Austro-.
Arrow- => Sagittari-

This actually implies "archer". Either Io- or Sagitti- for this would be safer.
Bears Armed wrote:Also, for a genus of 'Crab-Eaters', would Carcinophagus be accurate?

As far as I know, yes.

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:59 am

Gigaverse wrote:A general rule of thumb is that the o and i endings of these prefixes disappear before vowels; it's not always 100% applicable, but very close to, and I suppose in taxonomy it might as well be 99.99%. The i's tend to be harder to figure out than the Greek o's though - something I figured from experience rather than reading any resource.

Would that also apply to 'a' endings, as in [e.g.] 'Mega-' and 'Para-', or not'?
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:43 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:A general rule of thumb is that the o and i endings of these prefixes disappear before vowels; it's not always 100% applicable, but very close to, and I suppose in taxonomy it might as well be 99.99%. The i's tend to be harder to figure out than the Greek o's though - something I figured from experience rather than reading any resource.

Would that also apply to 'a' endings, as in [e.g.] 'Mega-' and 'Para-', or not'?

Same thing, as far as my research can tell. The last-vowel-in-the-ending-of-the-prefix-dropped phenomenon is rather common in Ancient Greek.
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Postby Raven Mail » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:51 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Would that also apply to 'a' endings, as in [e.g.] 'Mega-' and 'Para-', or not'?

Same thing, as far as my research can tell. The last-vowel-in-the-ending-of-the-prefix-dropped phenomenon is rather common in Ancient Greek.

Okay, thanks.

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:02 am

Raven Mail wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:Same thing, as far as my research can tell. The last-vowel-in-the-ending-of-the-prefix-dropped phenomenon is rather common in Ancient Greek.

Okay, thanks.

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Postby Intelligeneria » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:15 pm

Am I correct in saying:

Custodire, defendere!

Is Latin for, "To guard, to defend" or "To guard, to protect"?
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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:56 pm

Intelligeneria wrote:Am I correct in saying:

Custodire, defendere!

Is Latin for, "To guard, to defend" or "To guard, to protect"?


Yeah.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:57 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Would that also apply to 'a' endings, as in [e.g.] 'Mega-' and 'Para-', or not'?

Same thing, as far as my research can tell. The last-vowel-in-the-ending-of-the-prefix-dropped phenomenon is rather common in Ancient Greek.

And in Ancient Latin, for prefixes that are actually of that origin?
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:05 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:Same thing, as far as my research can tell. The last-vowel-in-the-ending-of-the-prefix-dropped phenomenon is rather common in Ancient Greek.

And in Ancient Latin, for prefixes that are actually of that origin?

Do you mean Classical?

If so, then yes, as far as I can tell. Though... the rules for those of Latin are apparently rather obscure and something everyone has to figure out for themselves.
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Would you please supply me with the correct Latin for "We live to serve"?
I get several different responses with different online translators.
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:01 pm

The Holy Principality of Saint Mark wrote:Would you please supply me with the correct Latin for "We live to serve"?
I get several different responses with different online translators.
Thank you!

That would be Vivimus ut serviamus.
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How about "Doing good, as good as we can?" As a nice morally ambiguous motto for my state police. Thank you!

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Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:17 pm

Gigaverse wrote:
The Holy Principality of Saint Mark wrote:Would you please supply me with the correct Latin for "We live to serve"?
I get several different responses with different online translators.
Thank you!

That would be Vivimus ut serviamus.

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For my nation I am using the motto: "Libertati Viam Facere". I hope this is the correct translation of: "Making a road to freedom".
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What's "our liberties we shall defend to the last?" Thanks.
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“Hrarroom!” ( = “Greetings!”)

More taxonomic help requested…
The genus name for Crows is Corvus, which a quick check tells me counts as a 'male' word, so for a species whose English name is the ‘Chromatic Crow’ would Corvus chromaticus be the correct Latin form?
I also need additional names for two of its sub-species (C.c. [whatever]), which are known in English as the ‘Green-winged Crow’ & the ‘Blue-backed Crow’ respectively, so I need translations of terms that are basically equivalent in meaning to ‘Green-winged’ & ‘Blue-backed’ and whose endings agree in gender with Corvus. Any suggestions?
(Blue: cyano- ?)
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Postby Demetland » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:08 pm

Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles wrote:How about "Doing good, as good as we can?" As a nice morally ambiguous motto for my state police. Thank you!


Benefaciens, quam optime. Sadly the repetition of 'good' isn't preserved because of the idiomatic rendering of 'as good as we can.'

Orioni 2 wrote:For my nation I am using the motto: "Libertati Viam Facere". I hope this is the correct translation of: "Making a road to freedom".


Sort of, but it's more like 'to make a road.' Also, the dative here sort of implies 'for freedom' rather than literally 'towards' it. You might want to use 'viam ad libertatem faciens' instead.

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Bears Armed wrote:“Hrarroom!” ( = “Greetings!”)

More taxonomic help requested…
The genus name for Crows is Corvus, which a quick check tells me counts as a 'male' word, so for a species whose English name is the ‘Chromatic Crow’ would Corvus chromaticus be the correct Latin form?
I also need additional names for two of its sub-species (C.c. [whatever]), which are known in English as the ‘Green-winged Crow’ & the ‘Blue-backed Crow’ respectively, so I need translations of terms that are basically equivalent in meaning to ‘Green-winged’ & ‘Blue-backed’ and whose endings agree in gender with Corvus. Any suggestions?
(Blue: cyano- ?)


1. That looks fine to me.

2. Perhaps caeruleodorsalis from caeruleus, blue, and dorsalis, dorsal/of the back. As a 3rd declension adjective the form -is can be masculine or feminine, and if neuter it is -e.

3. For 'green-winged' I suggest viridipinnatus from viridis, green, and pinnatus, winged, from pinna, wing. Here the -us ending is masculine, so -a and -um for feminine and neuter accordingly.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:49 pm

Thank you!
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:09 am

Demetland wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:“Hrarroom!” ( = “Greetings!”)

More taxonomic help requested…
The genus name for Crows is Corvus, which a quick check tells me counts as a 'male' word, so for a species whose English name is the ‘Chromatic Crow’ would Corvus chromaticus be the correct Latin form?
I also need additional names for two of its sub-species (C.c. [whatever]), which are known in English as the ‘Green-winged Crow’ & the ‘Blue-backed Crow’ respectively, so I need translations of terms that are basically equivalent in meaning to ‘Green-winged’ & ‘Blue-backed’ and whose endings agree in gender with Corvus. Any suggestions?
(Blue: cyano- ?)


1. That looks fine to me.

2. Perhaps caeruleodorsalis from caeruleus, blue, and dorsalis, dorsal/of the back. As a 3rd declension adjective the form -is can be masculine or feminine, and if neuter it is -e.

3. For 'green-winged' I suggest viridipinnatus from viridis, green, and pinnatus, winged, from pinna, wing. Here the -us ending is masculine, so -a and -um for feminine and neuter accordingly.

Thank you.
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Postby Demetland » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:43 am

Kanglia wrote:"For justice and peace"
I didn't trawl this thread, so sue me if someone has already said this :p


Pro pace et iustitia.
Eurem yn er·wyll, a·m hudwy i berthyll;
a byδiv drythyll, o armes Fferyll.

Lætabundus
exsultet fidelis chorus:
Alleluya.

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