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Mallorea and Riva
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:30 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I've defended and liberated it before. I might've even been delegate for one of them, I can't remember. It's an old region.


1) Welcome back :)
2) Wow... how many times has Stargate gotten hit?

Thank you! And a lot. A lot.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:31 pm

More times then people want to remember. I've been there and i haven't defended in nearly 2 years :P
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:31 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I've defended and liberated it before. I might've even been delegate for one of them, I can't remember. It's an old region.


1) Welcome back :)
2) Wow... how many times has Stargate gotten hit?

1.) Agreed with Tim
2.) Probably about as much as Utopia or Islam.
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Postby Canp » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:32 pm

Oh i would say more than them...

Stargate has long been the place new raiders go to screw with natives and learn, in its whole history i can imagine anywhere from 50-100

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Cromarty wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:
1) Welcome back :)
2) Wow... how many times has Stargate gotten hit?

1.) Agreed with Tim
2.) Probably about as much as Utopia or Islam.


Damn. Islam... they've been hit as much as Islam? :blink:
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:37 pm

Canp wrote:Oh i would say more than them...

Stargate has long been the place new raiders go to screw with natives and learn, in its whole history i can imagine anywhere from 50-100


Official Defender prediction plz?

I really doubt 50 times...
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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:40 pm

Eh i have only been in erratically, usually in the turbulent periods....

I guess a more realistic estimate would be maybe 20-35... But some of the raiders were pretty bad.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Canp wrote:Oh i would say more than them...

Stargate has long been the place new raiders go to screw with natives and learn, in its whole history i can imagine anywhere from 50-100


Official Defender prediction plz?

I really doubt 50 times...

Only twice in UDL history including this one. The first time we liberated it.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:
Official Defender prediction plz?

I really doubt 50 times...

Only twice in UDL history including this one. The first time we liberated it.


For UDL's age, that's wow.

Has it been raided before that?
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Only twice in UDL history including this one. The first time we liberated it.


For UDL's age, that's wow.

Has it been raided before that?

Oh my yes. My fact checkers :p see a bunch from old records. If I get a solid number i'll let you know.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:
For UDL's age, that's wow.

Has it been raided before that?

Oh my yes. My fact checkers :p see a bunch from old records. If I get a solid number i'll let you know.


Mkay. I await these numbers :P
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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:47 pm

You only liberated it after we made a deal with you, you ignored it entirely before that.

Yes it was raided a lot before that.

Khan Shere is still the worst in my opinion, trying to convert us to Islam....


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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:49 pm

Casl wrote:You only liberated it after we made a deal with you, you ignored it entirely before that.

Yes it was raided a lot before that.

Khan Shere is still the worst in my opinion, trying to convert us to Islam....


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Eh? I liberated it because I'm a defender. It's what I do. And before that the UDL did not exist. The FRA liberated or defended you roughly six times.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:50 pm

Casl wrote:You only liberated it after we made a deal with you, you ignored it entirely before that.

Yes it was raided a lot before that.

Khan Shere is still the worst in my opinion, trying to convert us to Islam....


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Umm... the UDL doesn't liberate because they have a "deal" with people, they liberate because it's what they do as defenders.
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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:52 pm

Whatever.

Anyway Khan Shere is a terrible person, worst raid ever i think....

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Postby Warzone Codger » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:00 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:I don't care. Its been raided so much its become boring to defend it. Its the regions decision to not have a founder but then they have to accept the fact they'll get raided a lot.


It actually the game should officially accept this position. In a way they already do, when you create a new region you can choose to be founderless (non exec founder) and the game itself warns you that you could be raided if you do that.

I feel would be more consistent if it applies to existing founderless regions as well. Once the founder CTEs, all nations in the region would get a game TG explaining the situation and that they could refound/start another region if they don't want to be part of it.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:01 pm

Warzone Codger wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:I don't care. Its been raided so much its become boring to defend it. Its the regions decision to not have a founder but then they have to accept the fact they'll get raided a lot.


It actually the game should officially accept this position. In a way they already do, when you create a new region you can choose to be founderless (non exec founder) and the game itself warns you that you could be raided if you do that.

I feel would be more consistent if it applies to existing founderless regions as well. Once the founder CTEs, all nations in the region would get a game TG explaining the situation and that they could refound/start another region if they don't want to be part of it.

At the same time though that implies that regions with a founder are 100% safe. A founder who steps away from the game for a few days is no better than a weak delegate.
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Postby Canl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:08 pm

After reading all this i have realized how futile all this really is.... In the end we all lose, its a never ending conflict with no decreeable winner, although the raiders are winning now thats only because the defenders don't have the man power...

Blah why do we care anyway, its just as easy to defend as it is to raid, but raiders will always have more people because one they recruit more and two more people like being the and guy.




I dont understand why they still do it, raiders are having almost no opposition due to the fact defenders don't have the power to react to multiple or large threats.... What is the fun of fighting an enemy that can't fight back?

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Postby Eist » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:52 pm

Canl wrote:its a never ending conflict with no decreeable winner, although the raiders are winning now thats only because the defenders don't have the man power...


I've had my feet up for the last week and a half, smoking my pipe - demolishing the rare half-assed raid with ease (UDL doing the rest of the work). 99.5% of founderless regions are currently living in traquility. So who's 'winning' again?

You see, when you have 10 raiders propped up by 50 'raiders' propping up a region, then you've got nobody left to do any work...
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Postby Jakker » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:36 pm

Well Asia was successful, but Uni was the only fenda to make it before the update, so that's something :p

EDIT: Uni was the only one to make it in time and get banjected. I missed Silver Steps. :p
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Postby SunRawr » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:38 pm

Silver was a close second though!
Nice job Jakker :)

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:58 pm

Jakker wrote:Well Asia was successful, but Uni was the only fenda to make it before the update, so that's something :p


We'll call it a draw then :p
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Postby Unibot II » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:08 am

Silver accidentally clicked join. :P

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Postby Jakker » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:06 am

I must admit. Even though I smoked you guys and 27 fendas are left banned at the last update, it was an impressive amount of people that came for a short period of time to organize it all. I'm glad you guys attempted. Good luck next time :)
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Postby Crushing Our Enemies » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:35 pm

Jakker: 2
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