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Casl
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Postby Casl » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:49 pm

D:< Start caring!

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Harmoneia
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Postby Harmoneia » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Tell that to people who wouldn't normally defend but will defend for history, not me, because I always care about natives' plea.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:15 am

Casl wrote:D:< Start caring!

We care. But fifty people don't pop out of my body ready to go when I care. D:
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Drop Your Pants
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:28 am

I don't care. Its been raided so much its become boring to defend it. Its the regions decision to not have a founder but then they have to accept the fact they'll get raided a lot.
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Postby Frattastan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:38 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:Its the regions decision to not have a founder but then they have to accept the fact they'll get raided a lot.


I ... don't even know what to say.
If everybody followed this logic I doubt defending would even exist >_>
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:16 am

Really? It would just mean the warzones would be used more and the feeders/sinkers would become daily targets :P TRR would be massive.
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Postby Frattastan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:32 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:Really? It would just mean the warzones would be used more and the feeders/sinkers would become daily targets :P TRR would be massive.


No. I didn't say that raiding wouldn't exist.
Regions would still be raided. But they would be left alone because "they were asking for it" :P
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Postby Unibot II » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Frattastan wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:Really? It would just mean the warzones would be used more and the feeders/sinkers would become daily targets :P TRR would be massive.


No. I didn't say that raiding wouldn't exist.
Regions would still be raided. But they would be left alone because "they were asking for it" :P


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Casl
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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:51 pm

Er....


That and Stargate was been around longer than most raiders....

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:52 pm

Casl wrote:Er....


That and Stargate was been around longer than most raiders....


Do we care?

Age of region doesn't count for much. It's a juicy target. Saying that you are "old and experienced" won't get you better protection
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Postby Canp » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:58 pm

The only way to get defence is to be a raider region, derp.

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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:59 pm

Canp wrote:The only way to get defence is to be a raider region, derp.

Not even.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:00 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Canp wrote:The only way to get defence is to be a raider region, derp.

Not even.

^This

I get really annoyed when people who don't partake in the Raider/Defender Conflict try to explain to us how it works.
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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:03 pm

We made a deal with the UDL, OH WAIT they don't have the man power to defend 20 nation plus raids!

The only way to never get raided is to be a raider region... Unless TITO decides its just to raid you.

Either way as a founderless region your totally and completely doomed to the R/D game even if you want no part in it.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:13 pm

Casl wrote:We made a deal with the UDL, OH WAIT they don't have the man power to defend 20 nation plus raids!


It's not their fault. It's hard to find 50 updaters. We poured in loads of non-updaters. Maybe if Hammond had more than 2 edorsements, they would have had a chance. Stop blaming UDL for something that is not their fault.

The only way to never get raided is to be a raider region... Unless TITO decides its just to raid you.


Get a founder. Problem solved
and you should stop making stereotypical remarks about defender groups. You have no experience in R/D, this is obvious. So stop making your supposedly "witty" remarks about it.

Either way as a founderless region your totally and completely doomed to the R/D game even if you want no part in it.


The Feeders, The Sinkers, Capitolist Paradise, Nationstates, Grand Central, Canada. etc.

There are plenty of founderless regions out there that are doing just fine. Better to say is being founderless, with a large population, and nobody endorsing the delegate.

Portugal is founderless, 90+ nations, and only 13 endorsements and even they are fine.
Please learn something about R/D before you post statements like that and try to pass them as fact.
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:15 pm

Casl wrote:We made a deal with the UDL, OH WAIT they don't have the man power to defend 20 nation plus raids!
Stargate is/was a region of more than 40 nations. Your delegate had 2 endos. 2. This is gross negligence by you and your region. I'd love the UDL to have the manpower to fight off raids the size of Stargate, TPC etc. but this will never happen if you aren't willing to take some responsibility and secure your region as best you can, either by ensuring your delegate has enough endos to make raiding Stargate very difficult, or getting a founder.
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Lawrencium II
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Postby Lawrencium II » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:18 pm

Not my fault, those 40 nations was more like 23....

And yes i was in the R/d game for a while, but you forget to realize NOBODY WANTS TO REFOUND THE REGION and we don't have enough people to get more than 2 endos because everyone in stargate is chronically INACTIVE other than me Baal and hammond...

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Postby Cromarty » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:19 pm

Lawrencium II wrote:Not my fault, those 40 nations was more like 23....

And yes i was in the R/d game for a while, but you forget to realize NOBODY WANTS TO REFOUND THE REGION and we don't have enough people to get more than 2 endos because everyone in stargate is chronically INACTIVE other than me Baal and hammond...

Then stop bitching when you're raided.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:20 pm

Cromarty wrote:
Lawrencium II wrote:Not my fault, those 40 nations was more like 23....

And yes i was in the R/d game for a while, but you forget to realize NOBODY WANTS TO REFOUND THE REGION and we don't have enough people to get more than 2 endos because everyone in stargate is chronically INACTIVE other than me Baal and hammond...

Then stop bitching when you're raided.

And despite all the complaining... General Hammond now only has 3 endos as opposed to two! :clap:

he might even have had that endo before. Seriously, Casl, do you even have a WA nation?
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:21 pm

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Postby Casl » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:22 pm

He had 4 before Mahaj, i withdrew mine after the raid because Pelispia was growing fast, then it tanked and now that nation is Canl.

:D Yay Stargate lovers!

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:24 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Then stop bitching when you're raided.

And despite all the complaining... General Hammond now only has 3 endos as opposed to two! :clap:

he might even have had that endo before. Seriously, Casl, do you even have a WA nation?


Yes he does. But he changed it because he lost hope in Stargate's chances for liberation. Instead he moved it to go help build some other region WITH A FOUNDER
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:25 pm

Casl wrote:He had 4 before Mahaj, i withdrew mine after the raid because Pelispia was growing fast, then it tanked and now that nation is Canl.

:D Yay Stargate lovers!

I've defended and liberated it before. I might've even been delegate for one of them, I can't remember. It's an old region.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:27 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Casl wrote:He had 4 before Mahaj, i withdrew mine after the raid because Pelispia was growing fast, then it tanked and now that nation is Canl.

:D Yay Stargate lovers!

I've defended and liberated it before. I might've even been delegate for one of them, I can't remember. It's an old region.


1) Welcome back :)
2) Wow... how many times has Stargate gotten hit?
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Postby Canp » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:29 pm

Er over its whole life i would say collectively around 100, and in large raids that lasted a long time i would say 10-12 and for destructive raids where everyone was banjected... 1-2

Im no expert but from the raids in recent history that makes sense.

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