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[Ananke II]

*shrugs* Could be. My list has puppets from players in these regions:

Nasicournia, Equilism, Renegade Islands Alliance, Metal Bass, 10000 Islands, Eternal Dimensions, Many, Lemuria, The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Juxtaposition X, Nederland, Freedom Fighters, CoS

Okay, so I just had a look through old NS documents and found a list, which match your description. However I don't think that one had to do with the first Puppetmaster attack. I think it was part of a possible later plan (which didn't go anywhere) against Pixiedance? There's nation names on this list, which according to the Boneyard is from people who didn't join NS until after July 28 2004 (when Better Times became delegate). This list is also different (both in terms of participants and specific puppet nations from player names, which are on both lists) from the full list* of participants in Puppetmaster, which I've also got.

*More or less anyway. There might be some late additions not included.

Edit: What's the names of my 3 puppets on the list you've got, Westwind and Blackbird?

[The Blaatschapen]

*shrugs* Could be. My list has puppets from players in these regions:

Nasicournia, Equilism, Renegade Islands Alliance, Metal Bass, 10000 Islands, Eternal Dimensions, Many, Lemuria, The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Juxtaposition X, Nederland, Freedom Fighters, CoS

Okay, so I just had a look through old NS documents and found a list, which match your description. However I don't think that one had to do with the first Puppetmaster attack. I think it was part of a possible later plan (which didn't go anywhere) against Pixiedance? There's nation names on this list, which according to the Boneyard is from people who didn't join NS until after July 28 2004 (when Better Times became delegate). This list is also different (both in terms of participants and specific puppet nations from player names, which are on both lists) from the full list* of participants in Puppetmaster, which I've also got.

*More or less anyway. There might be some late additions not included.

Edit: What's the names of my 3 puppets on the list you've got, Westwind and Blackbird?

Hey, can you send me my names on that list? I'm always looking to refound more puppets

[All Good People]

That could be. Puppetmaster II had it's fits and starts over that long haul.

Edit: What's the names of my 3 puppets on the list you've got, Westwind and Blackbird?

I'll tg you the three on the list I have. And to you too Blaat.

[Ananke II]

Judging by the puppet names you sent me I think your list is from when we were plotting against Moldavi in spring 2005.

[Blackbird]

Pretty sure only Ballo, Ananke and myself had the full list....

You're right. I think my list refers to a post Puppetmaster thing, now that I actually take the time to look at it. It also appears to be mostly/only RLA/ADN, which also makes me think it's incomplete.

[Frattastan II]

I read that "Nick" of the RLA was a DEN agent (Persaetus)?
Is that true?

[Port blood]

I read some things about a external forum being destroyed a long time ago,but the details remain vague,anyone know more?

[Mallorea and Riva]

I read some things about a external forum being destroyed a long time ago,but the details remain vague,anyone know more?

That is the most vague question that has been asked in this thread. Are you referring to the DEN/Invaders Army/TBH forums that were recently brought up due to Commend Blackbird being proposed? Or a separate incident?

[Frattastan II]

I read some things about a external forum being destroyed a long time ago,but the details remain vague,anyone know more?

There have been quite a few instances of forum destruction in the past, usually at the end of gameplay-related infiltration ops.
DEN, Invaders and The Black Hawks by Red Liberty Alliance agents, Renegade Islands Alliance by DEN, Crusaders of Justice and The Council of Narnia by an Unknown member, Nazi Europe by Laos Refugees, etc.

[Unibot III]

Merri from LWU burning RLA's forum (I believe it was RLA's, at least).

[Trolloputsk]

Renagade Islands Alliance's forums, so RIA.

[Frattastan II]

Hm. I always thought of Meri as DEN first (even if she was a LWU General as well, at the time)... she also gave admin access to another infiltrator, Jargongrad of DEN.

[Port blood]

I read some things about a external forum being destroyed a long time ago,but the details remain vague,anyone know more?

That is the most vague question that has been asked in this thread. Are you referring to the DEN/Invaders Army/TBH forums that were recently brought up due to Commend Blackbird being proposed? Or a separate incident?

Right,that one was on the foreground in my mind,but it was a general question,i wanted to confirm that it happened a few times

[Shizensky]

Jargongrad joined the RIA under the name New Marsala. After joining our Immigration department he recruited Meridianland, who went by Nosultan at while she was with us.

As far as I can recall, Meri was DEN from the start. She obtained her LWU status while on an intel op I assigned to her, which apparently also worked pretty well for her status in DEN.

It is correct that she used her forum privs to upgrade Jargongrad while they caused their mess.

[Evil Wolf]

I read that "Nick" of the RLA was a DEN agent (Persaetus)?
Is that true?

Ok, I got this, and the answer is yes and no.

To say Nick was an agent of DEN would be false. Nick, who destroyed TBH forums, was an RLA agent then. Later on, he quit, or fell out, or was banned (I forget which) and joined DEN as Persaetus.

This was a closely guarded secret as 1) TBH hate Nick for destroying their forums and 2) DEN already got their own forums and then home region destroyed by an RLA agent (The Red Factions) so them accepting Nick into their ranks didn't bode well for them. I only know about the connection because Nick swore up and down to the DEN leadership, mostly Franks, that Lone Wolves United was a defender front and that he knew this for a fact because he (Nick) used to be an RLA spy, so tots legit you guies.

Personally, I think he never stopped being an RLA spy and just wanted to drive a further wedge between DEN and LWU, who didn't have good relations thanks to the DEN believing a rumor started by RLA agent Joshua that LWU was, in fact, some sort of Defender Front Organization, somehow.

Hope that clears things up for you, Rattata.

[Zaolat]

When did LWU declare war on 10KI and why? (My memory is foggy )

[Evil Wolf]

When did LWU declare war on 10KI and why? (My memory is foggy )

All the answers to your questions in one convenient thread.

[Improving Wordiness]

We did not send a fruit basket and things escalated from there.

Dec 5, 2010

[Evil Wolf]

Unofficially, LWU and TITO have been at war with each other since the start and TITO needed no reason to try to destroy LWU and probably would have if given the opportunity.

We at Lone Wolves United decided to just make it official.

[Zaolat]

Unofficially, LWU and TITO have been at war with each other since the start and TITO needed no reason to try to destroy LWU and probably would have if given the opportunity.

We at Lone Wolves United decided to just make it official.

Honestly, I loved it when that happened.

[Casita]

Great stuff everyone this has been a rather insightful and entertaining thread.

I would like to know a bit more about the history of antifascism on NS, if possible.

[All Good People]

Antifascism is pretty recent, IMO.

[Casita]

Antifascism is pretty recent, IMO.

How recent? I think the MT Army was one of the first but not sure. Were there antifa groups before them?

[Ananke II]

Antifascism is pretty recent, IMO.

eh, I remember Nolaerie and Jackie Clarkson going after Nazi regions, and that was back in 2004-2005.

[Unibot III]

Antifascism is pretty recent, IMO.

eh, I remember Nolaerie and Jackie Clarkson going after Nazi regions, and that was back in 2004-2005.

I suspect the focus on "Nazis" specifically is more of a newer phenomenon, because it's mostly political behavior that was adopted after the rise of Independentism. In other words, people needed something that they could all agree on to do, after they went "neutral".

I think I've heard from Free4All and Bears Armed (??? Or The Bruce?) that it was quite common to see Socialists v. Fascists fighting even before invaders were contested by defenders.