NS History: You've Got Questions, We've Got Answers!

[Mad Jack]

Why should the op (who doesn't exist) leave a link to something that 1. isn't up and 2. isn't up because of him?

[The Black Dragon Empire]

OP doesn't exist? Nevermind then.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yeah, Ananke, it was the Grub controversy which may have been the cause of Neut's resignation -- not the FS ruling.

http://networkradio.proboards.com/index ... thread=201
http://networkradio.proboards.com/index ... thread=202

Admittedly 'the "bump" is spam, but "founder clearing" is not spam' ruling never made much sense and was a downright authoritarian reason for deleting a nation.

I got the two rulings mixed up because Goober used to tell the stories of both a lot -- and Neut played a big role in both and they were both cases of a rare successful appeal (along with most of the important "gameplay" rulings of the day, it seems). I don't think we would have gotten along and suspect I would have been DoS by 2004 if I even made it through 2003.

It's a good thing that the time machine version of you is a lot calmer then

[Unibot III]

Yeah, Ananke, it was the Grub controversy which may have been the cause of Neut's resignation -- not the FS ruling.

http://networkradio.proboards.com/index ... thread=201
http://networkradio.proboards.com/index ... thread=202

Admittedly 'the "bump" is spam, but "founder clearing" is not spam' ruling never made much sense and was a downright authoritarian reason for deleting a nation.

I got the two rulings mixed up because Goober used to tell the stories of both a lot -- and Neut played a big role in both and they were both cases of a rare successful appeal (along with most of the important "gameplay" rulings of the day, it seems). I don't think we would have gotten along and suspect I would have been DoS by 2004 if I even made it through 2003.

It's a good thing that the time machine version of you is a lot calmer then

Not really. He did run Puppetmaster and experiment with pre-endorsements -- which was just as risky as my accidental multi-ing in the past.

[Ananke II]

Not really. He did run Puppetmaster and experiment with pre-endorsements -- which was just as risky as my accidental multi-ing in the past.

With Puppetmaster he got it precleared with [violet] though and submitted regular Getting Help reports with the names of the puppets involved. From what I remember anyway.

[Unibot III]

Not really. He did run Puppetmaster and experiment with pre-endorsements -- which was just as risky as my accidental multi-ing in the past.

With Puppetmaster he got it precleared with [violet] though and submitted regular Getting Help reports with the names of the puppets involved. From what I remember anyway.

I believe [violet] said that it could be found to be illegal at any time.

[Ballotonia]

With Puppetmaster he got it precleared with [violet] though and submitted regular Getting Help reports with the names of the puppets involved. From what I remember anyway.

I believe [violet] said that it could be found to be illegal at any time.

No, Salusa said that the ability to pre-endorse could be removed at any time, which eventually was done. And, yes, I was quite aware that since I was veering close to the line (at least moderators, could easily interpret my actions as being a rule violation), and so I did the responsible thing and explained myself / asked permission / rule clarification beforehand. And had I received anything less than a go-ahead I would not have gone through with it.

Ballotonia

[The Dark Star Republic]

This is a pretty interesting thread; thanks to those who've contributed! Most of my questions would be WA(UN) related, so don't belong in Gameplay, but I was wondering: when was Gatesville first founded, or at least, first become active?

[Owls in a Fridge]

Erm, who/what was the Puppetmaster?

[Olvern]

Someone give me some insight on the different coups in TNP's history! I'm too lazy to do the relevant digging myself

[Evil Wolf]

I have a good one: Why did the ADN declare war on Ireland?

[Ananke II]

I have a good one: Why did the ADN declare war on Ireland?

They declared war on us over Northern Ireland. I expect we just returned the favour when the Entente started to invade ADN regions. I'd have to dig through the old archives to see if there was a specific reason we officially declared war instead of just treating it like any other invaders, since I've pretty much forgotten most of the discussions about it.

[All Good People]

Why did the ADN declare war on Ireland?

I want to say it was an invasion of Renegade Island Alliance by Ireland that started the ADN/Ireland war. But I'd have to check. But I know it was an attack on an ADN member region by Ireland, so ADN was treaty bound to declare war. Being an extra-regional government at that time, that included all ADN member regions.

The German Empire then declared war against ADN in coming to the aid of their allies in Ireland, and DEN also declared....so they could get in on the fun. Ireland wanted USSR to also join them, as they had a treaty with them as well, but Red Communist resisted getting involved.

Although, he later got involved when it was revealed that RC was also the Founder of The German Empire, and cleared that region. The German Empire was about to sign a peace treaty with ADN at that point, and the peace treaty between Ireland and ADN was completed soon afterwards.

Puppetmaster

Puppetmaster was a tactic to use the flaw in NS code that allowed pre-endorsement with non-WA nations. So if your WA nation was banjected from the target region, you could immediately join with a Puppet nation and already have endorsed the lead nation. Saved time, while you tried to have enough endorsements in the target region to overthrow the delegate before he/she banjected the invasion/liberation force.

ROLHEATH

*nods* Last I talked to him, he said he was taking a break. So I consider him on 'leave of absence'.

[Ananke II]

Puppetmaster was a tactic to use the flaw in NS code that allowed pre-endorsement with non-WA nations. So if your WA nation was banjected from the target region, you could immediately join with a Puppet nation and already have endorsed the lead nation. Saved time, while you tried to have enough endorsements in the target region to overthrow the delegate before he/she banjected the invasion/liberation force.

Just to elaborate a bit on All Good People's answer. The Puppetmaster plan was thought up and tested by Ballotonia. It was initially aimed at The Pacific, but when UPS Rail took over in The North Pacific everyone's attention switched to planning a liberation of TNP. Earlier liberation attempts in The Pacific had taught us that with the number of UN (WA now) nations involved there's no way you can keep info about time and participants from leaking to the other side, so Puppetmaster made it possible for us to involve a lot of people in a liberation without giving out much info. Ballotonia was the only person who knew the name of the lead nation (Better Times) and the exact time of the liberation attempt. He, Crazygirl and I were the only ones who knew all the names of the participating puppet nations, since we took care of the technical trick, which made the pre-endorsements stick to Better Times. Everyone else just knew that they had to make 3 new non-UN nations and put them in the North Pacific, give the names and passwords of those nations to Ballo, CG or me and then wait for instructions to switch their UN membership to one of their participating TNP puppets. From what I remember we had 180+ people signed up and 121 of them managed to switch UN membership in time to be part of the Liberation.

The biggest trouble with this plan was convincing people that Puppetmaster was our best shot at retaking the region (most people wanted a traditional liberation, but there was no way that would ever have worked) and to get the backing of various influential gameplay/defender people, even though we couldn't tell them exactly what we were planning. Lots of diplomacy involved and a number of shouting matches from what I remember.

The pre-endorsement trick doesn't work anymore, but it was fun while it lasted and nice that we actually succeeded with it in a feeder.

[Wickedly evil people]

The Puppetmaster move is how Wickedly evil people was created, it was born in TWP and I just left if there.


The puppets born in TNP were the ones I loaned to CG.

[Unibot III]

The Puppetmaster move is how Wickedly evil people was created, it was born in TWP and I just left if there.


The puppets born in TNP were the ones I loaned to CG.

What was your first account then, Eli?

[Wickedly evil people]

Yes Eli was born on Dec 3rd 2002

[Unibot III]

Yes Eli was born on Dec 3rd 2002

Cool. Wow, that's an early nation!

[All Good People]

He, Crazygirl and I were the only ones who knew all the names of the participating puppet nations

I had a list of the puppet nations as well. Still have it in an Excel file. Listed by source region, main nation, puppets, passwords.

The Puppetmaster move is how Wickedly evil people was created, it was born in TWP and I just left if there.

It's also how All Good People was created.

[Charax]

That's how Wickedly Evil People was created.

It's also how All Good People was created.

That's sad. I'd hoped there was some brilliant reason why All Good People and Wickedly Evil People had such contrasting nation names and ended up Guardians of the same region.

What was People United Together then? OF wasn't around in those times I don't think.

[All Good People]

Yeah, PUT/OF is a more recent player, but he was the President of the NationStates Republic for awhile, until removed from office for inactivity.

I have been tempted to change my nation name to "The Wickedly Evil People of All Good People". Or start slogans "Both Wickedly Evil and All Good People love TWP, shouldn't you too ?" or "Evil and Good people agree, The West is the Best !" But it does remain that both were involved in the liberation of TNP and both have served as Guardians and Delegates of TWP.

[Blackbird]

He, Crazygirl and I were the only ones who knew all the names of the participating puppet nations

I had a list of the puppet nations as well. Still have it in an Excel file. Listed by source region, main nation, puppets, passwords.

The Puppetmaster move is how Wickedly evil people was created, it was born in TWP and I just left if there.

It's also how All Good People was created.

Pretty sure we had the master list at RLA too.

[Crazy girl]

Pretty sure only Ballo, Ananke and myself had the full list....

[Italian Frogs]

Leaky leaky lemon squeaky....

[All Good People]

Pretty sure only Ballo, Ananke and myself had the full list....

*shrugs* Could be. My list has puppets from players in these regions:

Nasicournia, Equilism, Renegade Islands Alliance, Metal Bass, 10000 Islands, Eternal Dimensions, Many, Lemuria, The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Juxtaposition X, Nederland, Freedom Fighters, CoS