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Postby Comfed » Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:03 pm

ThePlague wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Found one a bit older:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16095

And it has a higher postid, confusing the audience.

Wow, I have so many questions, I think If I Post all my questions about NationStates History would be considered spam.
But I am impressed By NS history

Probably wouldn't be spam if you asked them all in one post in this thread.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:08 pm

Since I just noticed and no one else has mentioned, I would observe that Goober is now the thread OP.

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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:29 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
ThePlague wrote:I always liked searching NS History, so I have a question, what is the oldest post(in RMB) of NationStates?
The oldest I foundis this one

Found one a bit older:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16095

And it has a higher postid, confusing the audience.

Wow!
A quick calculation dates that post to around the 18th April 2003, plus or minus a few days (as I'm not sure how the game's counter treats leap years, and it was only a quick calculation anyway); and looking at early entries on the 'News' page, I see that RMBs were introduced on 20th November 2002... so that post is only half a year [approx.] newer than the oldest one ever could have been, and has existed for [almost] 39/40 of the time that RMBs have existed...
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:43 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Since I just noticed and no one else has mentioned, I would observe that Goober is now the thread OP.


It’s his thread! He created it!

Bears Armed wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Found one a bit older:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16095

And it has a higher postid, confusing the audience.

Wow!
A quick calculation dates that post to around the 18th April 2003, plus or minus a few days (as I'm not sure how the game's counter treats leap years, and it was only a quick calculation anyway); and looking at early entries on the 'News' page, I see that RMBs were introduced on 20th November 2002... so that post is only half a year [approx.] newer than the oldest one ever could have been, and has existed for [almost] 39/40 of the time that RMBs have existed...


It’s crazy to me that post survived that long before RMBs were reconfigured.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:44 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Found one a bit older:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16095

And it has a higher postid, confusing the audience.

Wow!
A quick calculation dates that post to around the 18th April 2003, plus or minus a few days (as I'm not sure how the game's counter treats leap years, and it was only a quick calculation anyway); and looking at early entries on the 'News' page, I see that RMBs were introduced on 20th November 2002... so that post is only half a year [approx.] newer than the oldest one ever could have been, and has existed for [almost] 39/40 of the time that RMBs have existed...

If you over the time stamp it should give you an exact date like this:
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April 6th, 2003.

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Postby ThePlague » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:54 am

Comfed wrote:
ThePlague wrote:Wow, I have so many questions, I think If I Post all my questions about NationStates History would be considered spam.
But I am impressed By NS history

Probably wouldn't be spam if you asked them all in one post in this thread.

Fine, here is my questions:
1: what was the First region founded by a nation(player)?
2: A mod was banned or Warned sometime? I only know of [Violet] being Warned.
3:Who are Unibot? How does he know so much of NationStates History?
4: Who was The first Moderators? I only know about of Amerigo....
5: why The forum 7 exists?
6: how Forum7 was created?
7: Who was the First Game Administrators?was there anyone besides [Violet] and [Dredd]?
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Postby Lile Ulie Islands » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:03 pm

I have yet another question about concerning the history of NationStates. I was reading over the second attempt at this resolution over in the Security Council forum: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=521913. Now, I am wondering, how were these founderless regions created? I don't believe they were founded by site admin- though, if so, that would make more sense. On the list of "historic, founderless regions" in the proposal, there was no slot for the four, historical, and founderless feeder regions (Pacifics), or The Rejected Realms, Balder, Lazarus, or Osiris. I would think those are historic, and founderless. In any event, how were these regions (the ones mentioned on the proposal), founded into NationStates?

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Postby Comfed » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:09 pm

Lile Ulie Islands wrote:I have yet another question about concerning the history of NationStates. I was reading over the second attempt at this resolution over in the Security Council forum: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=521913. Now, I am wondering, how were these founderless regions created? I don't believe they were founded by site admin- though, if so, that would make more sense. On the list of "historic, founderless regions" in the proposal, there was no slot for the four, historical, and founderless feeder regions (Pacifics), or The Rejected Realms, Balder, Lazarus, or Osiris. I would think those are historic, and founderless. In any event, how were these regions (the ones mentioned on the proposal), founded into NationStates?

They were created before founders were a feature of the game.

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:18 pm

Lile Ulie Islands wrote:I have yet another question about concerning the history of NationStates. I was reading over the second attempt at this resolution over in the Security Council forum: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=521913. Now, I am wondering, how were these founderless regions created? I don't believe they were founded by site admin- though, if so, that would make more sense. On the list of "historic, founderless regions" in the proposal, there was no slot for the four, historical, and founderless feeder regions (Pacifics), or The Rejected Realms, Balder, Lazarus, or Osiris. I would think those are historic, and founderless. In any event, how were these regions (the ones mentioned on the proposal), founded into NationStates?

Originally the nation used to found a new region didn't obtain any official status or special powers there, they were treated just like any other resident nation except the delegate. Founders as we know them today [more or less] were introduced a little while after delegates were given executive powers (which had been done so that the Mods wouldn't have to spend as much time policing trolling on RMBs), because delegates receiving powers had made "invading" possible and the game's management saw a need to give regions the extra protection against this that an executive Founder can provide. Existing player-created regions were given the option of choosing one of their residents to gain this status, and many regions did this (although in some cases, I've read, invaders fooled the Admins/Mods into giving that position to invaders who'd been involved in seizing control of those regions rather than to genuine long-term natives :( ), but some didn't. Those of the latter that still survive are the "historic, founderless" regions about which you're asking. This had all happened already when I joined NationStates in July 2005.
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Postby Freedomanica » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:36 pm

I have got a question I’ve pondered for a while now.

What culminated in the creation of Pacifica? What was the battle really about between Cormac and the levellers? What sort of culture did they bring to the table? What was the so-called insecurity concerns that followed their relocation to Thalassia. What is the legacy of Pacifica? Any extensive details would be appreciated
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:36 am

Freedomanica wrote:I have got a question I’ve pondered for a while now.

What culminated in the creation of Pacifica? What was the battle really about between Cormac and the levellers? What sort of culture did they bring to the table? What was the so-called insecurity concerns that followed their relocation to Thalassia. What is the legacy of Pacifica? Any extensive details would be appreciated

Topid has all the answers you need on this one.....
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Postby Lenlyvit » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:22 am

Does anyone currently have a list of regions founded before April 2003 that had a founder appointed by moderators? All I currently know is 10000 Islands, Wysteria, and Texas.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:25 am

The Heartland and (I believe) Axis of Absurdity successfully petitioned for founders, too.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:38 am

ThePlague wrote:3:Who are Unibot? How does he know so much of NationStates History?

Well, you could ask Unibot directly. :P

It's a question with a long answer, so I'll give you a summary from his entry in TRR's list of delegates:

Prior to becoming delegate, Unibot was a defender and a prolific WA Author - he founded the United Defenders League (UDL), served as Balder's very first delegate, and pioneered the Security Council in its early days (splitting the WA into two was his idea - "the Unibot model" - and the GA/SA flags are his design.) Building on Frattastan's work as delegate, he oversaw a revitalization of the region with a focus on community, culture, and its core identity. "Uni" ran monthly cultural events, edited the Rejected Times, and introduced the region to Rejectmas. He also forged TRR's longstanding alliance with the South Pacific and directed a round of constitutional reform in which he wrote the region's first and only Charter of Rights. Principally responsible for region's use (or overuse) of purple, Unibot also built the region's first in-game guides and updated the forum's skin to establish a brave new "look" for the region. He still sips his morning coffee(s) in his TRR mug and loves y'all.

Mind you this is a very short summary and is lacking detail, because we weren't looking to write an essay on him, lol.
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Postby Hulldom » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:48 am

Here’s one that I don’t believe has been answered here before. Myrth was a part of the Ideas for SC Resolutions thread until recently when it was overhauled under the “historical nominees” section. What did they do that might have warranted the SC’s recognition?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:49 am

Hulldom wrote:Here’s one that I don’t believe has been answered here before. Myrth was a part of the Ideas for SC Resolutions thread until recently when it was overhauled under the “historical nominees” section. What did they do that might have warranted the SC’s recognition?

Being around since before time came into existence comes to mind....
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:50 am

Hulldom wrote:Here’s one that I don’t believe has been answered here before. Myrth was a part of the Ideas for SC Resolutions thread until recently when it was overhauled under the “historical nominees” section. What did they do that might have warranted the SC’s recognition?

I believe they had some involvement with original flavor Francoism back in the day, possibly related to that (they also had an abuse of modly power thing, but I don’t think that was it, since it can’t be mentioned).

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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:53 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Hulldom wrote:Here’s one that I don’t believe has been answered here before. Myrth was a part of the Ideas for SC Resolutions thread until recently when it was overhauled under the “historical nominees” section. What did they do that might have warranted the SC’s recognition?

I believe they had some involvement with original flavor Francoism back in the day, possibly related to that (they also had an abuse of modly power thing, but I don’t think that was it, since it can’t be mentioned).

Was Myrth not an original Francoist? They have been a member of the NPO forever.....
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:17 am

Myrth's inappropriate conduct as a Moderator was the reason there was no gameplay representation on the team for 5 years; he poisoned the well for trusting gameplayers to keep their actions as player and moderator separate. You would struggle to Commend someone with that history, and his attitude wouldn't help either. As for Condemning, it's 17 years since he was relevant in gameplay affairs, so that wouldn't be any easier.

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Postby Lenlyvit » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:18 am

Tinhampton wrote:The Heartland and (I believe) Axis of Absurdity successfully petitioned for founders, too.

So that brings the total up to 5, I'm just wondering if there's more?
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Postby Goobergunchia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:34 am

Lenlyvit wrote:Does anyone currently have a list of regions founded before April 2003 that had a founder appointed by moderators? All I currently know is 10000 Islands, Wysteria, and Texas.

Loads. Europe, Nasicournia....
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Postby Ikania » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:46 am

Sedgistan wrote:Myrth's inappropriate conduct as a Moderator was the reason there was no gameplay representation on the team for 5 years; he poisoned the well for trusting gameplayers to keep their actions as player and moderator separate. You would struggle to Commend someone with that history, and his attitude wouldn't help either. As for Condemning, it's 17 years since he was relevant in gameplay affairs, so that wouldn't be any easier.

Since someone's gotta ask, what did Myrth do?
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:36 pm

Ikania wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Myrth's inappropriate conduct as a Moderator was the reason there was no gameplay representation on the team for 5 years; he poisoned the well for trusting gameplayers to keep their actions as player and moderator separate. You would struggle to Commend someone with that history, and his attitude wouldn't help either. As for Condemning, it's 17 years since he was relevant in gameplay affairs, so that wouldn't be any easier.

Since someone's gotta ask, what did Myrth do?

I hazard a guess that it's not full of mirth.

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Postby Lenlyvit » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:54 pm

Goobergunchia wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:Does anyone currently have a list of regions founded before April 2003 that had a founder appointed by moderators? All I currently know is 10000 Islands, Wysteria, and Texas.

Loads. Europe, Nasicournia....

I forgot about those two, thanks! But if there's loads, there's got to be a list somewhere?
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Postby Vavlar » Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:40 am

Does anyone know if this "Tuitio" is a former TBR raider who captured and preserved regions?

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