NS History: You've Got Questions, We've Got Answers!

[Unibot III]

A random question: does anyone have records of feeder happenings or UN endorsement levels from January 2004, particularly the period from January 6th to January 10th? It would be much appreciated if someone could help me nail down which pacific region this nation was founded in, prior to moving to Eurasia.

I have absolutely no problems trying to dig into this, Elu. I don’t know of a repository (Big Tex may have some scrapped data??).

My first question would be... what do you remember? For instance, the only thing I remember of the region I was founded in was a ASCII art in the RMB and the fact that it was a “____ Pacific.” I was able to track the ASCII art down and eliminate GCRs based off which RMBs were sluggish enough to have had the ASCII still on the RMB at the time I was founded.

Sometimes something that you think is unimportant can be important in trying to track down something.

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EDIT:

This is definetely going to be tricky. The period between Jan 06 and Jan 10 all falls inside a Wayback Archive gap.

If you think you may have moved to Eurasia on Jan 10, or moved to a region briefly before Eurasia, there is a possibility that you're caught in a scan of someone as an endorsee in a feeder, or caught in the snapshot of a regional happenings travelling.

What I would do is plug these into Wayback Machine (with the asteriks) and sort by date. And look at the stuff on Jan 10.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/ind ... ay_region*
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/*

[Blackbird]

A random question: does anyone have records of feeder happenings or UN endorsement levels from January 2004, particularly the period from January 6th to January 10th? It would be much appreciated if someone could help me nail down which pacific region this nation was founded in, prior to moving to Eurasia.

I can't find you in my historical scans. I don't think I have that period.

[Belschaft]

When and how did discord become widespread among regions?

I think summer of 2016 was when it started to hit critical mass, though there were certainly regions who started using it far earlier.

Discord is fairly unique in getting adoption pretty much across the entire game (previously IRC competed with AIM, MSN Messenger, Skype) which has had had huge implications in how the game itself is played.

EDIT: Did some more digging, and looks like a lot of forerunner regions started adopting Discord in January 2016 (Kingdom of Alexandra, Albion, The South Pacific) though I assume there was probably a transition period. It was around winter of 2017 when people like me started b*tching about the impact Discord was having on the game, so January 2016 - January 2017 was probably the wide interval adoption timeline.

To expand on this, to the best of my recollection it was Kingdom of Alexandria which first adopted Discord and then Josh/Raven pretty quickly persuaded a variety of other regions he was involved in to switch to it. TSP was the first GCR to move to Discord, and within a month or so the regional IRC channels had been entirely abandoned. By mid 2016 Discord had already reached critical mass in terms of the majority of major regions having adopted it - it replaced IRC, MSN, Skype, etc very very quickly.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

A random question: does anyone have records of feeder happenings or UN endorsement levels from January 2004, particularly the period from January 6th to January 10th? It would be much appreciated if someone could help me nail down which pacific region this nation was founded in, prior to moving to Eurasia.

I can't find you in my historical scans. I don't think I have that period.

Thank you for checking!

My first question would be... what do you remember? For instance, the only thing I remember of the region I was founded in was a ASCII art in the RMB and the fact that it was a “____ Pacific.” I was able to track the ASCII art down and eliminate GCRs based off which RMBs were sluggish enough to have had the ASCII still on the RMB at the time I was founded.

Sometimes something that you think is unimportant can be important in trying to track down something.

All I know is there were multiple nations with more than 20 endorsements which endorsed my nation, and I am almost certain I endorsed theirs back. I imagine that rules out the Pacific, and may or may not rule out the East Pacific.

[Bormiar]

I left after being endorsed by some nations that had lots of endorsements (60ish I think)

From discord.

If you remember that 60 figure correctly, you were either founded in TWP or TEP — most likely TEP. The tarters in the NPO at the time were just Posky and FS (who had a lot more than 60 endos), and the tarters in TNP and TSP had way too many endos to be the ones who endorsed you.

I'd say narrowing it down to two feeders is pretty good given the information we have.

[Numero Capitan]

All I know is there were multiple nations with more than 20 endorsements which endorsed my nation, and I am almost certain I endorsed theirs back. I imagine that rules out the Pacific, and may or may not rule out the East Pacific.

I can't find any records of your nation being in the South Pacific and there was a very noisy unendorsement campaign against LadyRebels in the South Pacific during that week, with her being falsely accused of being a racist etc by Savage Lands Reloaded/Tanzarian and Francos Spain/Fsend - so you would likely have remembered that if that was your first taste of TSP. You're not in any of Detti's lists of people who unendorsed LadyRebels.

Detti and Bisty had an endorsement script running back then which would confirm/rule out TSP completely but neither are still around and I doubt any of that data still exists anywhere. The regular logs weren't shared on the forum consistently until May 2004 onwards.

[Comfed]

Where any UCRs famous for their meteoric rises?

Follow-up question: any famous for meteoric descents?

[The Reformation of Qing Dynasty]

I know this is a weird question, but exactly do I achieve a horrible capitalist economy? This is for an experiment of a puppet nation and I want to see how to get it. I was thinking having a very primitive nation, but what do you guys think?

[Comfed]

I know this is a weird question, but exactly do I achieve a horrible capitalist economy? This is for an experiment of a puppet nation and I want to see how to get it. I was thinking having a very primitive nation, but what do you guys think?

Wrong thread

[Bormiar]

Where any UCRs famous for their meteoric rises?

Follow-up question: any famous for meteoric descents?

Weird question.

I can't name a region which has become famous for a meteoric ascent/descent per se, but plenty of UCRs have had meteoric ascents/descents.

Early regions are very good examples of meteoric ascents, I assume because there was a power vacuum and any moderately functioning UCR would have been very appealing compared to the GCRs they had back then. In 2003, 10000 Islands had about a dozen nations and was raided by Empire of Power. A year later, TITO annexed Empire of Power and 10KI had hundreds of nations. Similarly, Atlantic had couped multiple GCRs and fizzled out within a year of its founding. Nasicournia and Equilism — two ADN regions — became prominent very fast as well. I'm sure you could find other examples.

As for more modern meteoric rises, there are probably also plenty, seeing as a lot of regions have been founded by a group of experienced GPers and therefore were ahead from the start. Fort Triumph? Asgard? Etc. Just recently we've seen Halo's region grow pretty fast.

Also some regions, Thalassia for example, are offshoots of other UCRs, if you'd like to count those.

As for meteoric descents, plenty of regions have been deleted by the moderators (the Red Fleet, the Black Riders, DEN). Also Gatesville (the original, not Gatesville Inc) ended with a purge by Gates the God.

Hope that helps.

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I know this is a weird question, but exactly do I achieve a horrible capitalist economy? This is for an experiment of a puppet nation and I want to see how to get it. I was thinking having a very primitive nation, but what do you guys think?

You're in the wrong place, and the question is confusing. I don't believe primitiveness is a matter of the quality of your economy. If you're looking to be primitive, do things like ban cars.

[Numero Capitan]

Where any UCRs famous for their meteoric rises?

Follow-up question: any famous for meteoric descents?

It depends what your measure of 'famous' is.

The Commonwealth group of regions grew exponentially due to Charles's recruiting programs and gained influence throughout NS by offering their tools to other regions. They might be one of the better and more unique examples, and he even got control of the Lazarus delegacy in a back room deal he made with EW.

Fidelia grew very very quickly (to around 500 nations from memory) out of nowhere and were a very fun region for a little while before Bryyo and Oikistes lost interest and they became just another medium/small UCR.

Equinox had its own rise to prominence but that was mainly as a result of the unique concept and experienced group of gameplayers that it pulled in from across traditional battle lines.

[Kazaman]

I'd say The Last Kingdom is a nice example of both a quick rise and fall, although I'd hesitate to use "meteoric." Founded in mid-2007 by Bromannikha, formed a large raider military quite early on and successfully raided Lazarus. Maintained hundreds of nations through most of 2008, but by fall King Brom left the game. Hadisthe was chosen as his successor after a bit of an interregnum, but the region kept draining numbers into 2009 and Hadisthe later defected to become a defender.

[Unibot III]

I can't find you in my historical scans. I don't think I have that period.

Thank you for checking!

My first question would be... what do you remember? For instance, the only thing I remember of the region I was founded in was a ASCII art in the RMB and the fact that it was a “____ Pacific.” I was able to track the ASCII art down and eliminate GCRs based off which RMBs were sluggish enough to have had the ASCII still on the RMB at the time I was founded.

Sometimes something that you think is unimportant can be important in trying to track down something.

All I know is there were multiple nations with more than 20 endorsements which endorsed my nation, and I am almost certain I endorsed theirs back. I imagine that rules out the Pacific, and may or may not rule out the East Pacific.

Do you think you might have joined the regional forum of the GCR you were in, with an old, old account that you've forgotten about?

TEP's forum would still have that old, old data for instance.

[Baedan]

NSGers made up a decent proportion of temporary UDL troops back in the day. Helped 'win' that first Balder update for the UDL.

What is the Balder update he's talking about?

[Unibot III]

NSGers made up a decent proportion of temporary UDL troops back in the day. Helped 'win' that first Balder update for the UDL.

What is the Balder update he's talking about?

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

The second update of Balder’s existence featured a tight runoff between a UDL and a Europeia backed candidate. You can read all about it in the essay above.

Although I don’t think the pile’s mix was very NSG-heavy — it was more NS Sports & WA heavy. There were definitely NSG pilers though.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

What is the Balder update he's talking about?

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

The second update of Balder’s existence featured a tight runoff between a UDL and a Europeia backed candidate. You can read all about it in the essay above.

Although I don’t think the pile’s mix was very NSG-heavy — it was more NS Sports & WA heavy. There were definitely NSG pilers though.

What pushed us over the top was me sitting on the forum index page and telegramming people who were online - the majority of which were people I knew from NSG.

[Baedan]

Is "Rachel Anumia" Solorni (Or does Balder just draw people named Rachel )?

[Unibot III]

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

The second update of Balder’s existence featured a tight runoff between a UDL and a Europeia backed candidate. You can read all about it in the essay above.

Although I don’t think the pile’s mix was very NSG-heavy — it was more NS Sports & WA heavy. There were definitely NSG pilers though.

What pushed us over the top was me sitting on the forum index page and telegramming people who were online - the majority of which were people I knew from NSG.

Fair enough!! I was just basing that on who was endorsing Robin Hood in this Wayback Archive. I recogonize a lot of roleplayers in the mix.

Is "Rachel Anumia" Solorni (Or does Balder just draw people named Rachel )?

Yeah they're the same player.

[Nepleslia]

What’s the “ St Abbaddon Crisis” mentioned in the OP of Unibot III’s “The Long Peace” thread?

[Comfed]

Did anything major ever happen in NS2, besides it's creation and it's death?

[Numero Capitan]

Did anything major ever happen in NS2, besides it's creation and it's death?

Nothing really to report apart from some major disappointment

Mephistonan tried to get people to agree an r/d armistice in NS to allow regions to get established in NS2, but then we all realised how underwhelming it was and resumed normal service on NS

[Reploid Productions]

Did anything major ever happen in NS2, besides it's creation and it's death?

I mean, Jolt/OMAC scammed Max by not paying him what he was owed. Granted, the amount earned by the game was so small that it just was not worth the headache of dragging Jolt/OMAC to court for breach of contract. So when Jolt/OMAC shut NS2 down and had the NS2 site redirecting users to try one of Jolt/OMAC's other shitily-designed ripoffs of a game, Max set the NS2 domain name to point here instead.

The guy in charge of Jolt/OMAC was mightily pissed about it if I recall, and demanded Max stop saying mean things about his company online. Max promptly ignored him because it ain't slander if its true. Fast forward several years, and Nationstates is still around and Jolt/OMAC isn't, so....

[Sail Nation]

Did anything major ever happen in NS2, besides it's creation and it's death?

Nothing really to report apart from some major disappointment

Mephistonan tried to get people to agree an r/d armistice in NS to allow regions to get established in NS2, but then we all realised how underwhelming it was and resumed normal service on NS

Slightly offtopic, but I was just looking up the features of NS2, and it seems that, if it was implemented properly, it could have been a great success. Aside from the Jolt controversy.

I really like the idea of introducing trade and war, beyond just issues and minigames like what we have here. However, the system of worlds and continents is complicated and from the looks of it, didn't cater well for RPing and politics in regions like what we have here. So if it had a bit more work and a bit less intervention from Jolt, it might have worked. But I also hate the idea of 'Ambassador' status. The way that donations work on NS means that you can get minor benefits from donating (such as not having to delete half your inbox on a regular basis), but it is more for players with spare money who want to help out the game to do so, which doesn't make anyone feel like their missing out. Locking other things behind a paywall isn't good.

But anyway, I don't really know much about NS2, as I wasn't on NS back then. If anyone used it back then, how did it compare to NS at the time?

[Unibot III]

Nothing really to report apart from some major disappointment

Mephistonan tried to get people to agree an r/d armistice in NS to allow regions to get established in NS2, but then we all realised how underwhelming it was and resumed normal service on NS

Slightly offtopic, but I was just looking up the features of NS2, and it seems that, if it was implemented properly, it could have been a great success. Aside from the Jolt controversy.

I really like the idea of introducing trade and war, beyond just issues and minigames like what we have here. However, the system of worlds and continents is complicated and from the looks of it, didn't cater well for RPing and politics in regions like what we have here. So if it had a bit more work and a bit less intervention from Jolt, it might have worked. But I also hate the idea of 'Ambassador' status. The way that donations work on NS means that you can get minor benefits from donating (such as not having to delete half your inbox on a regular basis), but it is more for players with spare money who want to help out the game to do so, which doesn't make anyone feel like their missing out. Locking other things behind a paywall isn't good.

But anyway, I don't really know much about NS2, as I wasn't on NS back then. If anyone used it back then, how did it compare to NS at the time?

The worlds thing was a disaster — you couldn’t move between worlds, so regional communities and school friends were distributed randomly across these different worlds, inaccessible to one another.

You also had to pay to have a custom flag haha!

[Reploid Productions]

Yeah, long story short the NS2 that Jolt produced looks almost nothing at all like the NS2 Max had envisioned. I still have copies of the original design documents, it is massively disappointing how badly they perverted that original vision to try and scam easy money off players.

Can't say I'm at all surprised that Jolt eventually went under.