NS History: You've Got Questions, We've Got Answers!

[Boda]

What was the first major nsgp aztec region/nation (nation/region with an aztec theme.)

[PM Hialrocgyrdaed]

it died after many years, and members of The Black Riders eventually hijacked its name, cheated, and disgraced its name

TBRDEN was just as much DEN as any other iteration.

Stop challenging my narratives!

[Comfed]

So... moving on, this question is also about a Lazarus coup, what exactly was the thing with Funkadelia and the Celestial Republic? I ask because of this.

[Kazakhifistan]

Which nations from near the time of the founding or creation of NS are still around and still active?
Near the time of could and can be up to 2 years after the creation of NS

[Awesomeland012345]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_ ... censusid=3

[Mathuvan Union]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_nations?censusid=3

that being Kyuppa.

[Zandilund]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_nations?censusid=3

That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

[Awesomeland012345]

That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

No, everyone gains the same amount of population, except that when a new nation is first made, they gain population faster. Then, later, they gain population between 5-10 million (I believe) per major update.

[Zandilund]

That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

No, everyone gains the same amount of population, except that when a new nation is first made, they gain population faster. Then, later, they gain population between 5-10 million (I believe) per major update.

Incorrect. They gain a very low amount of population (1 million) a day when their nation is created, eventually the population growth rises, and then when a nation reaches 62 million population it grows randomly, somewhere between 5-7 million a day.

You appear very misinformed.

[Mathuvan Union]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_nations?censusid=3

That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

some mods where. if you look at the groups they were founded in antiquity.

[Awesomeland012345]

I meant the other way around
dunno what you mean by '62 population' but here's the growth: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=116740

[Zandilund]

That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

some mods where. if you look at the groups they were founded in antiquity.

I know, that's why we'll never know when they were founded.

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That doesn't always help since nations gain different amounts of population, but it's fine because the question asked which nations were created during the creation of NS.

No, everyone gains the same amount of population, except that when a new nation is first made, they gain population faster. Then, later, they gain population between 5-10 million (I believe) per major update.

See this.

[Mathuvan Union]

some mods where. if you look at the groups they were founded in antiquity.

I know, that's why we'll never know when they were founded.

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No, everyone gains the same amount of population, except that when a new nation is first made, they gain population faster. Then, later, they gain population between 5-10 million (I believe) per major update.

See this.

he literally linked the same thing
yer it's sometimes annoying

[Zandilund]

I meant the other way around
dunno what you mean by '62 population' but here's the growth: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=116740

Dunno what you mean by 62 population either.

Anyway, there probably isn't a way to determine what the oldest nation is.

[Awesomeland012345]

See this.

that's literally what i posted

[Zandilund]

I know, that's why we'll never know when they were founded.

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See this.

he literally linked the same thing
yer it's sometimes annoying

He linked the thing first but that link actually disproved his answer.

[Zandilund]

See this.

that's literally what i posted

You beat me by a few seconds, and as stated, it disproved your own post.

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It would have been nice for them to have founding dates when the game was created.

[Mathuvan Union]

that's literally what i posted

You beat me by a few seconds, and as stated, it disproved your own post.

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It would have been nice for them to have founding dates when the game was created.

yeah, if people can see our founding date why can't we see the mods?

[Unibot III]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_nations?censusid=3

that being Kyuppa.

Using probabilistic dating (based on Kyuppa's pop in 2003), I'd say Kyuppa was founded sometime between October 13-21 2002.

Which predates NS. (I've never actually encountered this problem before with probabilistic dating).

So it looks like Kyuppa may have benefited from a "population bug" sometime before August 2003 - otherwise, their pop makes no sense, unless Kyuppa was a nation in the pre-alpha stage of NationStates.

I should also add that population only measures continuous participation in NS. You can revive ancient nations with small populations.

[Mathuvan Union]

that being Kyuppa.

Using probabilistic dating (based on Kyuppa's pop in 2003), I'd say Kyuppa was founded sometime between October 13-21 2002.

Which predates NS. (I've never actually encountered this problem before with probabilistic dating).

So it looks like Kyuppa may have benefited from a "population bug" sometime before August 2003 - otherwise, their pop makes no sense, unless Kyuppa was a nation in the pre-alpha stage of NationStates.

I should also add that population only measures continuous participation in NS. You can revive ancient nations with small populations.

correct. It is extremely hard to tell the oldest nation

[The Blaatschapen]

You beat me by a few seconds, and as stated, it disproved your own post.

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It would have been nice for them to have founding dates when the game was created.

yeah, if people can see our founding date why can't we see the mods?

You can see founding dates of plenty of mods. Sedgistan for example.

It's just that many a mod (and a few ex-mods, and other oldies) were founded before the game started recording founding dates. Those get set as antiquity instead on the forums.

[Ghost Land]

Which nations from near the time of the founding or creation of NS are still around and still active?
Near the time of could and can be up to 2 years after the creation of NS

Anyone with a founding date of "Antiquity" (look on the side underneath their posts, or check the boneyard) joined before the game started keeping track of founding dates in November 2003. NationStates launched publicly in November 2002, so all those antiquity nations you see are definitely from within the first two years. A member search reveals that there are 229 pages' worth of nations from the first two years of NationStates that have been active and clicked on the forum since 2009. Most are now inactive or DEAT'd, but there are quite a few who are still active, including moderators Audioslavia, Lamoni, and Reploid Productions, and other notable figures such as The Blaatschapen, Blackbird, Eli, and The Bruce.

I meant the other way around
dunno what you mean by '62 population' but here's the growth: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=116740

Dunno what you mean by 62 population either.

Anyway, there probably isn't a way to determine what the oldest nation is.

He's referring to a population of 62 million: the highest population that is shared by all nations of a certain age before growth becomes randomized. Everyone who has 62 million people now had 56 million yesterday, 50 the day before, and so on, but tomorrow they could have 67, 68, or 69 million.

that being Kyuppa.

Using probabilistic dating (based on Kyuppa's pop in 2003), I'd say Kyuppa was founded sometime between October 13-21 2002.

Which predates NS. (I've never actually encountered this problem before with probabilistic dating).

So it looks like Kyuppa may have benefited from a "population bug" sometime before August 2003 - otherwise, their pop makes no sense, unless Kyuppa was a nation in the pre-alpha stage of NationStates.

I should also add that population only measures continuous participation in NS. You can revive ancient nations with small populations.

Kyupaa was founded in January 2003, per the user himself. Blaat, Eli, Blackbird, and Myrth are all 2002 nations still kicking around.

[Unibot III]

I should also add that population only measures continuous participation in NS. You can revive ancient nations with small populations.

Kyupaa was founded in January 2003, per the user himself. Blaat, Eli, Blackbird, and Myrth are all 2002 nations still kicking around.

Okay wow, that's some significant bugginess in the pop.

So here's my half-answer to the original question, I forgot I had researched this question in the past:

"Who was the oldest nation?" is a common question here, so I thought this post might interest some folks. It's a membership list of the pre-Jolt list forum. It shows Blau and Last Hope having created accounts on NS's big day, November 12.

The Most Glorious Hack
28-10-2003, 08:58
Moved to Tech

Also, [violet] is the oldest account. I believe Maxtopia was the first nation created. Last Hope does appear to be the oldest extant nation, however.

[violet] 08 Oct 2002
Blau 12 Nov 2002
Last Hope 12 Nov 2002
Elysium 13 Nov 2002
Grand Fenwick 13 Nov 2002
Swizzlestick 14 Nov 2002
Thomasia 15 Nov 2002
Bacculum 16 Nov 2002
Shrub 17 Nov 2002
Elbonia 18 Nov 2002

Of course, not all of those still exist...

Last Hope and Grand Fenwick are still around. Thomasia became a well known player in NS through AA and the Met.

Last Hope, who was the oldest recorded nation I knew of, CTE'd three months ago (He/She joined on NS's first day). The current "Grand Fenwick" is someone who revived that name.

So this doesn't answer your question per se, since Last Hope has recently CTE'ed, someone new is the oldest nation.

[Mathuvan Union]

yeah, if people can see our founding date why can't we see the mods?

You can see founding dates of plenty of mods. Sedgistan for example.

It's just that many a mod (and a few ex-mods, and other oldies) were founded before the game started recording founding dates. Those get set as antiquity instead on the forums.

Well, that’s the part that annoys me. Is it really too hard to see the founding date of [Violet] or others?

[Ghost Land]

You can see founding dates of plenty of mods. Sedgistan for example.

It's just that many a mod (and a few ex-mods, and other oldies) were founded before the game started recording founding dates. Those get set as antiquity instead on the forums.

Well, that’s the part that annoys me. Is it really too hard to see the founding date of [Violet] or others?

It is "too hard" because these nations were created before the site itself even started keeping track of founding dates. The best way to find out when a particular antiquity nation was founded is by asking the user him/herself, or by using population analysis from what you can find in the Wayback Machine.