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Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:52 am**

Unibot III wrote:
Bormiar wrote:The Empire is a fitting example as well, so Miniluv isn't first.

Yes I think the Empire counts too.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Those people were morons - especially as Miniluv wasn't even the first group of its kind. Hell, it took its name from the earlier #Minitruth channel - and I'm pretty sure I don't need to remind you of that one.

I agree, but playing devil's advocate: I'd argue there is a much stronger "Facebook culture" to NS now than there was ... say, ten years ago. And some series of events needed to harbinger that transformation.

I think the miniluv leaks at most just made public what was already happening - I can remember at least three or four different private chat channels that also existed at the time or earlier.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:29 am**

Boda wrote:What are the earliest examples of old players having their own chats. I know there is #senior_lounge in NS Leaders but is there anything else like it?

So, back in the heady days of 2006 or so, there was a chat sometimes called "Kandarin's BBQ" that was usually hosted by Kandarin, the longtime Delegate of the Rejected Realms. It was an AIM chatroom, and we all mostly goofed around in it. I still have the logs. It had players from all the feeders and (of course) the sink, as well as defenders and a few invaders. It was really kind of all-comters.

It's hard to say that it was an "old players" chat. It was certainly very established players, but we weren't checking at the door to make sure you started your nation in 2002 or anything.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:53 pm**

Blackbird wrote:
Boda wrote:What are the earliest examples of old players having their own chats. I know there is #senior_lounge in NS Leaders but is there anything else like it?

So, back in the heady days of 2006 or so, there was a chat sometimes called "Kandarin's BBQ" that was usually hosted by Kandarin, the longtime Delegate of the Rejected Realms. It was an AIM chatroom, and we all mostly goofed around in it. I still have the logs. It had players from all the feeders and (of course) the sink, as well as defenders and a few invaders. It was really kind of all-comters.

It's hard to say that it was an "old players" chat. It was certainly very established players, but we weren't checking at the door to make sure you started your nation in 2002 or anything.

Sounds like current TRR, but I thought Kandy’s BBQ was public.

It certainly doesn’t sound like an elitist cabal like miniluv.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:43 pm**

Bormiar wrote:
Blackbird wrote:
So, back in the heady days of 2006 or so, there was a chat sometimes called "Kandarin's BBQ" that was usually hosted by Kandarin, the longtime Delegate of the Rejected Realms. It was an AIM chatroom, and we all mostly goofed around in it. I still have the logs. It had players from all the feeders and (of course) the sink, as well as defenders and a few invaders. It was really kind of all-comters.

It's hard to say that it was an "old players" chat. It was certainly very established players, but we weren't checking at the door to make sure you started your nation in 2002 or anything.

Sounds like current TRR, but I thought Kandy’s BBQ was public.

It certainly doesn’t sound like an elitist cabal like miniluv.

No, it wasn't a cabal at all. It was mostly people shooting the shit. Talking about politics, about technology.

Keep in mind, for most players in NS who were older when it started, NS was sort of seen as an extension of old political BBS boards and things like that. NS was 100% text, very little graphical interface, very international, and with the main NS boards total crap, people had to talk elsewhere. So offsite boards became big, and of course, whatever people used to communicate at the time, which was mostly AIM, MSN, and IRC. So Kandarin would just invite, I think, pretty much anyone he talked to these large chatrooms. You'd have NPO people and ADN people, who were bitter enemies, in the room. You'd have people who had held leadership roles in the Atlantic Alliance/Atlantic Central Command and defenders in there. You'd have staunch anti-UN people like Meritocrats and others who embraced the UN. Etc., etc. It was an eclectic group and whoever got the invite came in. It was a slightly different group every time.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:55 pm**

Blackbird wrote:No, it wasn't a cabal at all. It was mostly people shooting the shit. Talking about politics, about technology.

Ya, I wasn't apart of AIM chat's with Kandy, before my time, but I knew Kandy pretty well, and elitist cabal leader doesn't fit the Kandarin at all.

Posted: **Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:20 pm**

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
Yes I think the Empire counts too.

I agree, but playing devil's advocate: I'd argue there is a much stronger "Facebook culture" to NS now than there was ... say, ten years ago. And some series of events needed to harbinger that transformation.

I think the miniluv leaks at most just made public what was already happening - I can remember at least three or four different private chat channels that also existed at the time or earlier.

That's fair!

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:40 am**

Crazy girl wrote:
Blackbird wrote:
I'll add my two cents on this.

Eurosoviets was a militant member of the RLA, and when I say militant, I mean that his politics, the left-wing brand of politics that the RLA championed, was militant. He wasn't particularly militant, or any more militant than any other defender generally or RLA defender specifically. But his brand of politics -- pushing for the Central Soviet of the RLA, being opposed to the cronyism and tired politics of the ADN -- made him many enemies among the "respectable" defenders. People like Pope Hope, Unistrut, Crazygirl, etc., etc., absolutely despised him. It's important to note that one of the reasons he was disliked was that he was effective: the RLA fielded the largest update army; it attracted a wide regional membership while the ADN's declined; it had a much more active and vibrant membership. Pulling away the center of defenderism from the ADN made him a threat, and those ADN stalwarts had him in their sights from moment he began bringing together the pro-RLA Marxist Anarcho-Syndicalist Socialist (MASS) Alliance.

And as you said, despite having nothing to do with the intelligence side of the RLA, or even really the military side, those political enemies he had amongst the greater defender community used any and every incident to try to tarnish his name. All because of his politics. And the revisionism continues.

Thanks for the laugh, BB. Eurosoviets was a politician through and through. He'd happily sacrifice a region to invaders if it served his politics. He thrived on the so called cronyism and tired politics in the old ADN, and ran off when we got rid of the constitution and politics to go back to the basics of defending regions. (which was a pleasant side effect).

I was there at the beginning and this is all true.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:48 pm**

Anarchotopia Magnus wrote:I was there at the beginning

Anything to prove this?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:05 pm**

Anarchotopia Magnus wrote:
Crazy girl wrote:

Thanks for the laugh, BB. Eurosoviets was a politician through and through. He'd happily sacrifice a region to invaders if it served his politics. He thrived on the so called cronyism and tired politics in the old ADN, and ran off when we got rid of the constitution and politics to go back to the basics of defending regions. (which was a pleasant side effect).

I was there at the beginning and this is all true.

What was your original nation's name? :meh:

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:09 pm**

Frattastan IV wrote:
Anarchotopia Magnus wrote:I was there at the beginning

Anything to prove this?

I assume his name was Anarchotopia, and indeed Comrade Anarchotopia was there.

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:29 pm**

Blackbird wrote:
Frattastan IV wrote:
Anything to prove this?

I assume his name was Anarchotopia, and indeed Comrade Anarchotopia was there.

I would imagine Frattastan is asking for this Anarchotopia to validate that they are the same one of past history.

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:22 am**

Ooh! Ooh! I’ve got a question! What was the New Lazarus Order?

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:45 pm**

Nouguinkelospianland wrote:Ooh! Ooh! I’ve got a question! What was the New Lazarus Order?

A mistake born out of drugs and whimsical decisions.

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:51 pm**

Nouguinkelospianland wrote:Ooh! Ooh! I’ve got a question! What was the New Lazarus Order?

The New Lazarene Order (or NLO for short) was a rogue government established in Lazarus by the then leadership of The Pacific's government (The New Pacific Order) via military coup. It was an attempt to colonize Lazarus and bring it under the rule of the New Pacific Order, which was a common way of thinking in the NPO at the time because their guiding ideology, Francosim encouraged such thinking and was very prevalent at the time. Ultimately the NLO was ousted and the legitimate government was back in power. The NPO received considerable backlash at the time and they lost diplomatic ties with substantially important regions. The NPO's leaders at the time, Feux and Stujenske, lost power in the NPO as a result of their failure.

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:41 pm**

The Church of Satan wrote:
Nouguinkelospianland wrote:Ooh! Ooh! I’ve got a question! What was the New Lazarus Order?

The New Lazarene Order (or NLO for short) was a rogue government established in Lazarus by the then leadership of The Pacific's government (The New Pacific Order) via military coup. It was an attempt to colonize Lazarus and bring it under the rule of the New Pacific Order, which was a common way of thinking in the NPO at the time because their guiding ideology, Francosim encouraged such thinking and was very prevalent at the time. Ultimately the NLO was ousted and the legitimate government was back in power. The NPO received considerable backlash at the time and they lost diplomatic ties with substantially important regions. The NPO's leaders at the time, Feux and Stujenske, lost power in the NPO as a result of their failure.

I remember I'd had a puppet resurrect in Lazarus under the PRL regime. Knowing nothing of GCR politics at the time I thought "Hey, this is kind of cool! I should check this out soon!" And less than a week later, the PRL was gone. That's probably not the only reason for my total lack of interest in GCR stuff, but it was a big catalyst.

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:28 pm**

What is the Drew period I see referenced to now and again?

Also, honor to post in the same thread as you Unibot, I'm a huge fan!

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:39 pm**

Fransmany wrote:What is the Drew period I see referenced to now and again?

Also, honor to post in the same thread as you Unibot, I'm a huge fan!

Two videos by a youtuber named Drew Durnil on nationstates led to a massive influx of often ill-behaved and short-lived new nations that also affected the performance of the servers and made the website run much worse for a period of time.

Posted: **Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:07 pm**

What happened to DEN?

Posted: **Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:11 pm**

Comfed wrote:What happened to DEN?

Permanently mod-purged due to senior leadership's deployment of "Predator," an illegal tool made by a DOS player.

Posted: **Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:59 pm**

Comfed wrote:What happened to DEN?

it died after many years, and members of The Black Riders eventually hijacked its name, cheated, and disgraced its name

Posted: **Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:54 pm**

What is the ideology of Francoism in NS

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:12 am**

PM Hialrocgyrdaed wrote:
Comfed wrote:What happened to DEN?

it died after many years, and members of The Black Riders eventually hijacked its name, cheated, and disgraced its name

TBRDEN was just as much DEN as any other iteration.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:15 am**

Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:What is the ideology of Francoism in NS

Francoism was essentially a rip-off of the Communist Manifesto that painted the image of a class struggle between GCRs and select members of UCRs who sought to exploit GCR resources for the gains of their UCR. This wasn't intended to mean all UCR people. Over the years it morphed into various things and was used for purposes that hadn't really been the purpose of it originally. Now it's been abolished, at least in its place of origin.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:17 am**

Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:What is the ideology of Francoism in NS

The ideology associated with Francos Spain, who was founder of the New Pacific Order, the government of The Pacific since mid-2003. (This website launched in 2002.) He's still a controversial figure to this day in certain circles, and a 2005 Francoist Manifesto survives on a wiki.

Edit: ninja'd.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:10 pm**

In the last five years it became a tool for expansionist conquest that ironically mimicked the very imperialism it claimed to oppose. The failures of the NPO's leaders during such conquests revealed how damaging Francoism had become, not just to GCR's but to the NPO itself. Political reforms within the NPO have phased out Francoism, which has of course outlived its usefulness.

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