NS History: You've Got Questions, We've Got Answers!

[Tramiar]

Yet when defenders utilize support from multiple sources and get large numbers for liberations or to support a native delegate, it is portrayed as this great accomplishment.

In all fairness, it seems like defending groups have a harder time working together for whatever reason. That would make it more of an accomplishment when it happens.

[Southern Bellz]

Don't buy into bad defender propaganda.

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[Solorni]

How dare raiders use teamwork and exemplify unselfishness in order to accomplish goals harmoniously. It sounds very terrible if you ask me > : (

[Lompa]

I have an alt in the Land of Power, and I would like to know more about the region before TurtleShroom refounded it. Specifically when it was led by Tomasso.

[Metcalfer2]

Who where the black raiders? Some one answer me godamit.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Who where the black raiders? Some one answer me godamit.

THe Black Raiders was founded 2 years and 88 days ago by a puppet nation, French Mace, which was founded, moved to a region that no longer exists named Diccus, then created The Black Raiders. The region was presumably immediately locked and has remained so to this day. It maintains one member that has not so much as passed an issue as far as I can tell in it's two plus years of existence, but has merely been kept alive and grown to have nearly five billion population.

In short, nobody.

I would say a region secured by The Black Riders you're probably thinking of if not for the lack of a Rider WFE, so I'll leave it to the rest of NS to say who owns this copyright

[Zaolat]

Who where the black raiders? Some one answer me godamit.

There is no "who where/were", they still exist so it would be "who are" The Black Riders. They are raiders. Question answered, which I might had already been answered once before...

[Joe Bobs]

I always find this argument interesting. When raiders get a large group together from many organizations for a raid, the criticism is that raiders cannot raid a region on their own. As though utilizing support from other raiders conveys some kind of weakness. While this critique is focused on piling typically, it is also used at times for updates and for the impact of a raiding group as depicted by Bruce. Yet when defenders utilize support from multiple sources and get large numbers for liberations or to support a native delegate, it is portrayed as this great accomplishment.

I'm not sure that's true Jakker, I've seen plenty of 'the FRA can't lib without 10KI's support', or indeed vice versa, from certain raiders, and recently there was a lot of propaganda about the FRA defending Lazarus (which was particularly silly since of course an alliance defends its own members). And equally I've seen a lot of promotion of 'raider unity'. It just depends whose stuff you read I think.

Is anyone able to tell me which regions have the longest / buggiest feud?

In my opinion, the biggest feud in history was the ADN vs. the NPO, I believe that took place around 2006ish. It went on for many months and had an impact across the game, as any region with an inter-regional presence found itself to some extent on one side or the other.

But the longest feud is harder. I don't think the region of the Triumverate have forgiven Loop and the Farkers for the war which took place in early 2003 (The Bruce can confirm! This seems to be the answer to most history questions ). Another candidate I'd like to put forward is the GRA and Falconias, who have been enemies since about 2008-9, I think.

[Ananke II]

In my opinion, the biggest feud in history was the ADN vs. the NPO, I believe that took place around 2006ish. It went on for many months and had an impact across the game, as any region with an inter-regional presence found itself to some extent on one side or the other.

eh, most people were against the NPO to start with. ADN just stayed the course longer than the rest, since we weren't willing to throw the old Pacific natives under the bus for expediency's sake.

[Lompa]

Was there ever a war so large that it got many regions involved?

[Joe Bobs]

This from a discussion in the TWP chat, as we seem to be in conference season.

What has been the most successful conference in NS history, also what was the largest?

I recall the Peaceian conference in around 2005ish, I recall a lot of region being involved in that. And I remember the Q102-Canada Protocol on Ambassadors being quite successful, that protocol still gets used a guideline today.

[Darkesia]

http://z11.invisionfree.invalid.com/Neutral_Territory/index.php? 2008 Neutral Territory. I don't think it occurred to us to release a statement at the time it was over. I'm sure there were others, but this one is dearest to me.

Your question got me thinking and I dug up the old forum. It sure makes you think of how many things have changed and how many things have stayed exactly the same.

[Unibot III]

The Invader-Defender Conference held in The Meritocracy in 2005-ish seems to have had a big impact. There was one between DEN and ADN/TITO too - more in light of an absence of griefing rules.

[Blackbird]

The Invader-Defender Conference held in The Meritocracy in 2005-ish seems to have had a big impact. There was one between DEN and ADN/TITO too - more in light of an absence of griefing rules.

Ah man, those were the days ... conferences on AIM.

[Indian Empire]

The Invader-Defender Conference held in The Meritocracy in 2005-ish seems to have had a big impact. There was one between DEN and ADN/TITO too - more in light of an absence of griefing rules.

I truly think that raiders and defenders will likely never reach peace, since it would eliminate the purpose of my existence and their existence. The raider defender game will never be peaceful, like switzerland.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Hobbes has created forums and toys for only a select few regions and that does not really translate to the greater NS Community. Afforess had a much larger impact on the community, yet his extension turned out to be more of a fad which really died off after its ability to recruit with ease was reduced. And as you've said, the new NSWiki doesn't seem to be making much progress. Now, if NS++ gets absorbed and its features distributed by NS, then he will have earned his place.

As for the answer to the original question, I am inclined to agree with JB's point of view. You should look at the real trend setters of NS who were among the first to find new ways of experiencing NS outside of just answering issues. Community builders such as Wysteria, Texas, 10KI, GRA and NPO should be considered candidates.

What are the contributions of regions like Wysteria and Texas and how does the New Pacific Order shape the rest of the NS community outside the Pacific region?

[Southern Bellz]

The Heights of ABCA and eventually invaders was a super nice dude. Damn seeing that name brought me back.

[Indian Empire]

The Heights of ABCA and eventually invaders was a super nice dude. Damn seeing that name brought me back.

Takes me nowhere because I wasn't around then.

[Benevolent Thomas]

What are the contributions of regions like Wysteria and Texas and how does the New Pacific Order shape the rest of the NS community outside the Pacific region?

You can read the Texas and Wysteria Commendations to get those factoids. As for the NPO, they were major drivers of gameplay activity in the early years and they produced an ideology that influenced policy for just about every GCR in years following. As for Afforess, I'll take back what I said. He was a rather nasty individual, but it looks like his impact on NS will be great in retrospect.

[DWAsnia]

What are the contributions of regions like Wysteria and Texas and how does the New Pacific Order shape the rest of the NS community outside the Pacific region?

As for Afforess, I'll take back what I said. He was a rather nasty individual, but it looks like his impact on NS will be great in retrospect.

Afforess wasn't nasty. Several players were able to malign and slander him (and get away with it) from the start of NS++. No regular person could have put up with it. Coupled with . . . well, I won't further the threadjack.

[The Bruce]

I always find this argument interesting. When raiders get a large group together from many organizations for a raid, the criticism is that raiders cannot raid a region on their own. As though utilizing support from other raiders conveys some kind of weakness. While this critique is focused on piling typically, it is also used at times for updates and for the impact of a raiding group as depicted by Bruce. Yet when defenders utilize support from multiple sources and get large numbers for liberations or to support a native delegate, it is portrayed as this great accomplishment.

I'm not sure that's true Jakker, I've seen plenty of 'the FRA can't lib without 10KI's support', or indeed vice versa, from certain raiders, and recently there was a lot of propaganda about the FRA defending Lazarus (which was particularly silly since of course an alliance defends its own members). And equally I've seen a lot of promotion of 'raider unity'. It just depends whose stuff you read I think.

Is anyone able to tell me which regions have the longest / buggiest feud?

In my opinion, the biggest feud in history was the ADN vs. the NPO, I believe that took place around 2006ish. It went on for many months and had an impact across the game, as any region with an inter-regional presence found itself to some extent on one side or the other.

But the longest feud is harder. I don't think the region of the Triumverate have forgiven Loop and the Farkers for the war which took place in early 2003 (The Bruce can confirm! This seems to be the answer to most history questions ). Another candidate I'd like to put forward is the GRA and Falconias, who have been enemies since about 2008-9, I think.

Considering how many Farker invaders went native in the Triumvirate regions, becoming prominent participants in the three regional communities (especially the Heartland), I’d say that hatchet was long buried. There are still Farkers that have gone native in all three regions. It doesn’t mean that I approve of the things that they did as invaders (especially getting appointed as founders of other people’s regions). Just that the conflict itself ended over ten years ago.

The conflict between the NPO and ADN was significantly larger, lasted longer, had significantly more publicity, and involved more regions. The Triumvirate regions didn't spend a lot of time posting about the conflict on the NS forums, because the Farkers were very active on the NS Forums. Public opinion is nice to have on your side, but we were only interested in actively stopping the invader juggernaut in its tracks. We organized the defence of the Heartland behind the scenes as much as possible to deny the opposition information and not get dragged into any NS Forum flame wars that often happened in larger multi-regional conflicts.

At its peak, the fight between (what later became) the Triumvirate and the Farkers involved a couple hundred updaters battling it out over the Heartland, as well as a bunch of Farker non-UN puppets that were used for spamming region boards. Both sides called in a lot of outside assistance.

This was back when defending was more about, you mess with me and my friends and we’re going to have a problem. If you didn't have friends in other regions that were paying attention to invaders you had a chance of finding yourself in a lot of trouble. Defenders didn't really exist in early 2003 the way they did later on.

[Blackbird]

This was back when defending was more about, you mess with me and my friends and we’re going to have a problem. If you didn't have friends in other regions that were paying attention to invaders you had a chance of finding yourself in a lot of trouble. Defenders didn't really exist in early 2003 the way they did later on.

Yes. This.

This is something we've talked about a lot in this thread: in part because of a lack of a centralized system of communication, defenderism rose as an exercise of common defense of common interests. Left-wing regions defended other lefties. Right-wing regions defended other right-wing regions. Besides using the NS search function to find a region, there existed no gameplay mechanism that permitted you to find other regions.

It wasn't until the rise of imperialist invaders, namely the Atlantic Alliance, did the disparate defender elements coalesce into the larger defender unity movement that characterized the game from late-2003 onward.

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

What happened to the Atlantic Alliance? Who was the most hated person in NS of all time? The one person everyone defender and raider alike hate.

[Blackbird]

What happened to the Atlantic Alliance? Who was the most hated person in NS of all time? The one person everyone defender and raider alike hate.

The tl;dr of it is that Accellsior, the real mover behind the AA, left/retired, as he was wont to do. New People, who took over command of the AA, also eventually folded the AA, with many of their members (New People, Raptor) going into the NPO.

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

What happened to the Atlantic Alliance? Who was the most hated person in NS of all time? The one person everyone defender and raider alike hate.

The tl;dr of it is that Accellsior, the real mover behind the AA, left/retired, as he was wont to do. New People, who took over command of the AA, also eventually folded the AA, with many of their members (New People, Raptor) going into the NPO.

Such is the sad fate of everyone on NS. I missed all the fun. I'm a history buff and a major of history so reading NS history makes my head tingle, and makes me oddly nostalgic.