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Postby Kanglia » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:33 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Morover wrote:Is there a certain threshold where it became necessary to do so?


Read all about it in the first chapter of this new essay:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

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Postby Unibot III » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:38 pm

Kanglia wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
Read all about it in the first chapter of this new essay:
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Postby Kavagrad » Tue May 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Does anyone have a date for the foundation of Anarchy, or have a way to track it down? It appears to have existed on May 28th 2003 with 85 nations, but there doesn't appear to be anything earlier than that.
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Postby Morover » Tue May 19, 2020 4:38 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Morover wrote:Is there a certain threshold where it became necessary to do so?


Read all about it in the first chapter of this new essay:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

Coming back to this, sorry.

Lazarus had 6821 nations at the time it became over capacity - that's less than half of the largest region in the world, currently, which contains 16032 nations, and is in fact far smaller than 5 other regions, all of which are GCR's (#5 is TRR with 13489 nations and #6 is the West Pacific with 6642 nations, a big jump). As such, I assume that these technical issues have been remedied somewhat permanently - does anyone know when these presumed changes were made?
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Postby Unibot III » Tue May 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Morover wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
Read all about it in the first chapter of this new essay:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=483455

Coming back to this, sorry.

Lazarus had 6821 nations at the time it became over capacity - that's less than half of the largest region in the world, currently, which contains 16032 nations, and is in fact far smaller than 5 other regions, all of which are GCR's (#5 is TRR with 13489 nations and #6 is the West Pacific with 6642 nations, a big jump). As such, I assume that these technical issues have been remedied somewhat permanently - does anyone know when these presumed changes were made?


Not an admin, but I believe the significant server upgrade in 2013 probably reduced any such issues. After the 2013 upgrade, game performance was much better than before.
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Postby Unibot III » Tue May 19, 2020 6:42 pm

Kavagrad wrote:Does anyone have a date for the foundation of Anarchy, or have a way to track it down? It appears to have existed on May 28th 2003 with 85 nations, but there doesn't appear to be anything earlier than that.


Okay, I've got some cool stuff for you but no definitive answer. Short answer is that I can push that date back to Feb 26 2003. (May is just when NewTexas started recording regional data.)

  • This is Anarchy as it appeared in August 05 2003.

  • Illichia is almost surely not the 'real' founder of Anarchy, I believe he refounded it in July 2003. For starters, I have solid reasons to believe Anarchy predates Illichia: if you take Illichia's population on Aug 2003 and interpolate it, it suggests he was founded ~144 days prior on March 16, 2003. Illichia probably refounded Anarchy, since there are references to "the re-established Anarchy region" in July and the population of Anarchy significantly dips in the week of July 07-18. The most inactive nation I can find in Anarchy at the time was last active on July 22 2003 - consistent with a refound.

  • This is the earliest known regional forum of Anarchy. It's positively ancient: February 2003!!

    From these threads we can glean some important information...

  • Snakeanarchy (Anarcho_-_syndicalism in NS) was the first forum administrator of these early Anarchy forums alongside being the region's delegate. The earliest archived posts on the forum come from 2/26/2003 and 2/28/2003, when Snakeanarchy was soliciting opinions on the forum colour scheme and the World Factbook Entry. He recorded the WFE (2/26/2003) as "Welcome to the region of Anarchy, the home of Militant Anarchy. This region is composed of free individuals who have done away with the scourge of government. We believe that Anarchy is worth fighting for and will fight Statism wherever it rears its ugly head."

  • Snakeanarchy maintained a personal website where he said "i have been playing a game named Nation States" (March 02, 2003). He included some further information about himself here and here. A simple google search suggests Snakeanarchy is still very active on a number of boards online; I would approach him and see if he has any recollections he wants to share about those early days in Anarchy. It is possible that Snakeanarchy ("Anarcho_-_syndicalism") is the founder of Anarchy, or he may have just been someone who took the delegacy of a pre-established UCR and tried to establish a community forum -- only Snankeanarchy could really confirm for sure or not in all likelihood.
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Postby Bormiar » Tue May 19, 2020 9:53 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Does anyone have a date for the foundation of Anarchy, or have a way to track it down? It appears to have existed on May 28th 2003 with 85 nations, but there doesn't appear to be anything earlier than that.


Okay, I've got some cool stuff for you but no definitive answer. Short answer is that I can push that date back to Feb 26 2003. (May is just when NewTexas started recording regional data.)

  • This is Anarchy as it appeared in August 05 2003.

  • Illichia is almost surely not the 'real' founder of Anarchy, I believe he refounded it in July 2003. For starters, I have solid reasons to believe Anarchy predates Illichia: if you take Illichia's population on Aug 2003 and interpolate it, it suggests he was founded ~144 days prior on March 16, 2003. Illichia probably refounded Anarchy, since there are references to "the re-established Anarchy region" in July and the population of Anarchy significantly dips in the week of July 07-18. The most inactive nation I can find in Anarchy at the time was last active on July 22 2003 - consistent with a refound.

  • This is the earliest known regional forum of Anarchy. It's positively ancient: February 2003!!

    From these threads we can glean some important information...

  • Snakeanarchy (Anarcho_-_syndicalism in NS) was the first forum administrator of these early Anarchy forums alongside being the region's delegate. The earliest archived posts on the forum come from 2/26/2003 and 2/28/2003, when Snakeanarchy was soliciting opinions on the forum colour scheme and the World Factbook Entry. He recorded the WFE (2/26/2003) as "Welcome to the region of Anarchy, the home of Militant Anarchy. This region is composed of free individuals who have done away with the scourge of government. We believe that Anarchy is worth fighting for and will fight Statism wherever it rears its ugly head."

  • Snakeanarchy maintained a personal website where he said "i have been playing a game named Nation States" (March 02, 2003). He included some further information about himself here and here. A simple google search suggests Snakeanarchy is still very active on a number of boards online; I would approach him and see if he has any recollections he wants to share about those early days in Anarchy. It is possible that Snakeanarchy ("Anarcho_-_syndicalism") is the founder of Anarchy, or he may have just been someone who took the delegacy of a pre-established UCR and tried to establish a community forum -- only Snankeanarchy could really confirm for sure or not in all likelihood.

Did you spend an hour researching that?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed May 20, 2020 5:05 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:Not sure if this is GP related... oh well.

Who was Dyakovo? I've seen them mentioned in the signature of many nations.
And does anyone (except the mods) maintain a list of all "retired" nation names? So far I've only ever seen 2: Francos Spain and Dyakovo. Francos Spain I know about, Dyakovo - not so much.


There's a few more.

I'd know, I added a few in my time :p
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Postby Unibot III » Wed May 20, 2020 6:18 am

Bormiar wrote:Did you spend an hour researching that?


Roughly, yes. I was just going to post the original Wayback Archive screenshot but then I recovered the regional forums and I found a more interesting "archaeological" trail to follow.

Anarchy's is certainly one of the oldest forums I've ever found on NS.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Wed May 20, 2020 11:18 am

I received this absolute banger of a question on our regional message board today and thought someone here could help answer it.

Has anyone ever run a single nation through all the different classifications?
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed May 20, 2020 2:51 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:I received this absolute banger of a question on our regional message board today and thought someone here could help answer it.

Has anyone ever run a single nation through all the different classifications?

I’d say this nation comes pretty close.
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Postby Bormiar » Thu May 21, 2020 9:12 am

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I received this absolute banger of a question on our regional message board today and thought someone here could help answer it.


I’d say this nation comes pretty close.

They went through 8. So half.

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Postby Lyrical International Brigade » Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am

Bormiar wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:I’d say this nation comes pretty close.

They went through 8. So half.


8/27 < ⅓...

EDIT: also, I counted nine different segments of the Ideocube™, so exactly one third (unless I missed one in my manual count)
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Postby Bormiar » Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Bormiar wrote:They went through 8. So half.


8/27 < ⅓...

EDIT: also, I counted nine different segments of the Ideocube™, so exactly one third (unless I missed one in my manual count)

Yeah looks like you’re right about that:
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Very flawed memory of mine :p.

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Postby Unibot III » Fri May 22, 2020 9:42 am

Benevolent Thomas wrote:I received this absolute banger of a question on our regional message board today and thought someone here could help answer it.

Has anyone ever run a single nation through all the different classifications?


This sounds like an Ulthar/New South Hell project. But I don't remember them doing this experiment specifically.

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I know when I was wee, I did flip "Unibot" through all of the Government Type classifications as a challenge.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri May 22, 2020 10:56 am

Benevolent Thomas wrote:I received this absolute banger of a question on our regional message board today and thought someone here could help answer it.

Has anyone ever run a single nation through all the different classifications?

I did that with Diol back in 2010.
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Postby Boda » Fri May 22, 2020 1:41 pm

Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sat May 23, 2020 7:15 pm

Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.

They don't exist. You have been lied to.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sat May 23, 2020 7:18 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:
Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.

They don't exist. You have been lied to.

Nothing to see here. Move along. :)

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Postby Boda » Sat May 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:They don't exist. You have been lied to.

Nothing to see here. Move along. :)
Wabbitslayah wrote:
Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.

They don't exist. You have been lied to.

Please?
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Postby Diarcesia » Sat May 23, 2020 8:16 pm

Boda wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Nothing to see here. Move along. :)
Wabbitslayah wrote:They don't exist. You have been lied to.

Please?

I wasn't really there when it was a thing. Long story short: you have a gameplay "spouse" and "children" and regions can have "royal families".

I remember seeing a discussion about it but I can't remember where. Probably it was in a forum about St. Abaddon or something. In its stead, I find this one encapsulates the concept quite well.

Michael Johnathan wrote:Greetings,

I am the Private Secretary to His Most Imperial Majesty, Emperor Rolamec of the Empire of New Earth. The Imperial House of Banovina is looking to expand itself, and therefore I present two candidates who need a wife. She should meet the following requirements:

1). Be willing to relocate to a region under the jurisdiction of the Imperial Crown;
2). Be willing to convert to the Imperial Orthodox Faith;
3). Be willing to register on our forum and actively take part on our forum.

At the moment there are two candidates who need a wife: 1). The Crown Prince, heir to the Throne; and 2). a King of a smaller allied Kingdom, with relation to the Imperial Family.

If anybody holds interest, I ask them to make their post and contact me by telegram to this nation: Michael Johnathan.

I thank you for your time.

With Best Wishes,

Prince Mikhail
Private Secretary to His Most Imperial Majesty, Emperor Rolamec I of the Empire of New Earth


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Postby Daytime to Night » Sun May 24, 2020 2:06 am

Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.


It started on NationStates with a bad idea and became even worse

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun May 24, 2020 11:53 am

Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.


Roleplaying flavour on top of cold hard politics. It's like the prelude to world war I, but with more drama, but less murdered royals.
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Postby Pigeonstan » Sun May 24, 2020 11:58 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Boda wrote:Tell me all about these ns families now. Where did it start, how it evolved, etc.


Roleplaying flavour on top of cold hard politics. It's like the prelude to world war I, but with more drama, but less murdered royals.

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