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by Port blood » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:40 am
by Blackbird » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:53 am
Port blood wrote:ooooh,I've been looking for a thread like this
I'm really curious when the first recorded raid was,and when the first recorded defense was
by Port blood » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:08 am
by Unibot III » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:23 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Bruce » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:48 pm
Port blood wrote:ooooh,I've been looking for a thread like this
I'm really curious when the first recorded raid was,and when the first recorded defense was
by The Bruce » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:04 pm
Unibot III wrote:What can be said is neither invading nor defending could have been desirable before April 29 2003 (when we gained "regional controls") and by May 16 2003, "region crashing", as Max Barry called it, was an epidemic that required a change to the game's legal disclaimer. That means there is a span of seventeen days there where the first real invasions occurred prompting concern across the site.
Before "Regional Controls", invading a region would be like invading TRR nowadays -- no ban button, no ability to hold the region.
by Unibot III » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:12 pm
The Bruce wrote:Unibot III wrote:What can be said is neither invading nor defending could have been desirable before April 29 2003 (when we gained "regional controls") and by May 16 2003, "region crashing", as Max Barry called it, was an epidemic that required a change to the game's legal disclaimer. That means there is a span of seventeen days there where the first real invasions occurred prompting concern across the site.
Before "Regional Controls", invading a region would be like invading TRR nowadays -- no ban button, no ability to hold the region.
Incorrect about the effectiveness of early invaders. Also the first "real" invasions were rampant during February and March of 2002.
Early invaders took control of the region's worldfact book entry and used it to torment the natives, as well as over the top and unmoderated posts on the region board (imagine region boards that degenerated into 4chan). Invaders would use nations details (flags, mottos, etc) of invader leads to further humiliate and provoke natives. They would also patrol the NationStates forum to antagonize natives who spoke out against the treatment of their region and generally gang up on them (fortunately, today if you go to the NationStates Gameplay forum you no longer see this kind of behavior ). The inability to use regional controls against natives was a two way street. Even gaining control of the regional forums meant that you also couldn't banject invaders. They were free to stay and torment natives as long as they wanted to, with as much personal attacks and vulgarity as they wanted to, as there were no moderators. This could be just as much or more damaging to the community of a region, because outside of a well moderated private, offsite forum there was no way to escape a long campaign of harassment. Regional communities could be disrupted and destroyed without even taking over the delegate position, by constant harassment from spammer-griefer regions like the Pudding Gang (a region filled with non-UN griefer-spammer puppets with close links to if not run by the Farkers). Your choices of dealing with players like this were either ignoring them (refusing to feed the trolls) or counter attacking their psyche so hard they ran away crying.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Frattastan II » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:34 pm
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by Crazy girl » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:32 pm
by Unibot III » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:43 pm
Crazy girl wrote:I remeber being in an invader group...we had invaded a region, and just while we were holding it (I'll spare you the details on the very sloppy execution where at one point I even ended up as delegate unintended) regional controls were introduced. That really must have sucked for the original inhabitants of that region. I felt sorry for them, and left. And indeed, there were no rules governing invasions yet then.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Bruce » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:29 am
Unibot III wrote:The Bruce wrote:
Incorrect about the effectiveness of early invaders. Also the first "real" invasions were rampant during February and March of 2002.
Early invaders took control of the region's worldfact book entry and used it to torment the natives, as well as over the top and unmoderated posts on the region board (imagine region boards that degenerated into 4chan). Invaders would use nations details (flags, mottos, etc) of invader leads to further humiliate and provoke natives. They would also patrol the NationStates forum to antagonize natives who spoke out against the treatment of their region and generally gang up on them (fortunately, today if you go to the NationStates Gameplay forum you no longer see this kind of behavior ). The inability to use regional controls against natives was a two way street. Even gaining control of the regional forums meant that you also couldn't banject invaders. They were free to stay and torment natives as long as they wanted to, with as much personal attacks and vulgarity as they wanted to, as there were no moderators. This could be just as much or more damaging to the community of a region, because outside of a well moderated private, offsite forum there was no way to escape a long campaign of harassment. Regional communities could be disrupted and destroyed without even taking over the delegate position, by constant harassment from spammer-griefer regions like the Pudding Gang (a region filled with non-UN griefer-spammer puppets with close links to if not run by the Farkers). Your choices of dealing with players like this were either ignoring them (refusing to feed the trolls) or counter attacking their psyche so hard they ran away crying.
Right, so "Regional Controls" was probably created to control invasions, but instead became the main tool for invaders too. >_<
by Unibot III » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:45 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Italian Frogs » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:48 am
The Bruce wrote:Invaders today, with their triggers and scripts, are much more technically advanced than clumsy thugs were in the early days of the game. The biggest difference is that the invaders in the early days could pull stunts that would get today's players mod-bombed into oblivion and players are more aware that invaders actually exist (since they openly brag and advertise all the time).
by SFBA wabbitslayah » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:18 am
Italian Frogs wrote:The Bruce wrote:Invaders today, with their triggers and scripts, are much more technically advanced than clumsy thugs were in the early days of the game. The biggest difference is that the invaders in the early days could pull stunts that would get today's players mod-bombed into oblivion and players are more aware that invaders actually exist (since they openly brag and advertise all the time).
God damn, those were the good old days.
Everything now is just so boring!
by The Bruce » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:32 am
by Ananke II » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:19 am
The Bruce wrote:I'm not sure if it was the Farkers baiting Eire Shamrock that got them deleted though, since Eire Shamrock did a lot of different things to try to get themselves deleted by the Mods. Farkers were practically taking regular shifts on the NS forum to bait people into deletion. Sheol (Delegate of Hell) was another of their targets they killed off with moderators, after baiting them 24/7.
by Port blood » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:21 am
The Bruce wrote:Port blood wrote:ooooh,I've been looking for a thread like this
I'm really curious when the first recorded raid was,and when the first recorded defense was
The first known invaders were from a region called Evil (spelled with some random capitalization I can't remember and having no relation to any current incarnation of the region name). They managed to pull off four minor invasions in early January 2002 that few people even knew occurred, because of there was no impact outside of the tiny, inactive regions they targeted. 100 Nations of Conquest carried out similar barely noticeable operations at this time. Evil had already gone inactive by the time the Driftwood Gang and soon afterwards the Farkers got into the invading game.
by Frattastan II » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:39 am
Charax wrote:Early January 02? When was this thing launched?
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by The North Polish Union » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:29 am
Charax wrote:So how were raids taking place in January 2002?
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by Ballotonia » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Charax wrote:So how were raids taking place in January 2002?
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