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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:14 am
by Numero Capitan
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Where are the imperialists? It's sad not having them around being all moody.


They're mostly defenders now

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:18 am
by Blood Wine
Xoriet wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Where are the imperialists? It's sad not having them around being all moody.

Quick, say something about the FRA. 100% guaranteed to work.


#FRAdidnothingwrong

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:24 am
by Block II
The imps really have taken a back seat since 2016.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:37 am
by The Notorious Mad Jack
Blood Wine wrote:
Xoriet wrote:Quick, say something about the FRA. 100% guaranteed to work.


#FRAdidnothingwrong

This, tbh.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:15 am
by Kuriko
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Where are the imperialists? It's sad not having them around being all moody.

Where's Onder? We could use an Onderwall. Hell, I think we're overdue for one.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:23 am
by The Notorious Mad Jack
Kuriko wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Where are the imperialists? It's sad not having them around being all moody.

Where's Onder? We could use an Onderwall. Hell, I think we're overdue for one.

It'd certainly be a more worthwhile use of anyone's time than reading any of this whitelist crap tbh.

Let's say mean things about Balder!

[SPLIT] Blacklist/Whitelist discussion

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:29 am
by Darkesia
Balder smells of elderberries.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:31 am
by A Bloodred Moon
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Where are the imperialists? It's sad not having them around being all moody.

I fear they faded alongside with everyone else. Being fair, the LKE did deploy in Cretanja Queendom with about 10 pilers, so perhaps their militaries will get active again. Sadly, the LKE is the only currently Imperialist region around. Who knows, perhaps another one will stand up sooner or later? Independence has not been kind to Imperialists, lol.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:52 am
by Syberis
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Where's Onder? We could use an Onderwall. Hell, I think we're overdue for one.

It'd certainly be a more worthwhile use of anyone's time than reading any of this whitelist crap tbh.

Let's say mean things about Balder!


Man, I remember the last time I said that. They did everything exactly the way I wanted them to, too.

The issue with your leadership operating the exact same way in three different regions is that eventually people figure out your patterns.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:31 pm
by Bowzin
Darkesia wrote:Balder smells of elderberries.

You trying to start a fight?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:01 pm
by Numero Capitan
Darkesia wrote:Balder smells of elderberries.


Can confirm

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:23 am
by Warzone Codger
Warzone Codger wrote:So, about making a racist fascist region, why won't more people just sprout their hate speech to clearly NS-verse counterparts?

Hate Canada? - There's Brancaland
Got something against China? Daguo's yellow peril is the cause of all your woes!
Want to base a region around a pure Nordic racial superiority? Skandilund is your go to nation
Need a nation stereotyped by religious zealots and holy wars? Well, blow up Sacerdia!
How about a bunch of rainforest dwelling knife wielding savages: There's Kawandaland to look down to.


My attempt at courting controversy failed...

Cmonnnnnnn, where is my openly proud racially superior Skandilund region who's out wipe Sacerdia off the map? Set up signs with No Yellow Daguomen allowed?

And grand exotic adventures in the tropics clearing jungles and civilising barbaric subhuman junglewacko Kawandas?

NS needs a better class of home-grown, in-universe racists.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:17 am
by Sedgistan
Warzone Codger wrote:
Warzone Codger wrote:So, about making a racist fascist region, why won't more people just sprout their hate speech to clearly NS-verse counterparts?

Hate Canada? - There's Brancaland
Got something against China? Daguo's yellow peril is the cause of all your woes!
Want to base a region around a pure Nordic racial superiority? Skandilund is your go to nation
Need a nation stereotyped by religious zealots and holy wars? Well, blow up Sacerdia!
How about a bunch of rainforest dwelling knife wielding savages: There's Kawandaland to look down to.


My attempt at courting controversy failed...

Cmonnnnnnn, where is my openly proud racially superior Skandilund region who's out wipe Sacerdia off the map? Set up signs with No Yellow Daguomen allowed?

And grand exotic adventures in the tropics clearing jungles and civilising barbaric subhuman junglewacko Kawandas?

NS needs a better class of home-grown, in-universe racists.

I briefly had a nation called "Oogaboogaland" in the issues base, but the rest of the Issues Team overruled me on that. The primitive Oogaboogalanders made even the Kawandas look sophisticated.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:31 am
by The Blaatschapen
Warzone Codger wrote:NS needs a better class of home-grown, in-universe racists.


We already have enough home-grown racists in NS :(

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:44 am
by Lord Dominator
Sedgistan wrote:
Warzone Codger wrote:
My attempt at courting controversy failed...

Cmonnnnnnn, where is my openly proud racially superior Skandilund region who's out wipe Sacerdia off the map? Set up signs with No Yellow Daguomen allowed?

And grand exotic adventures in the tropics clearing jungles and civilising barbaric subhuman junglewacko Kawandas?

NS needs a better class of home-grown, in-universe racists.

I briefly had a nation called "Oogaboogaland" in the issues base, but the rest of the Issues Team overruled me on that. The primitive Oogaboogalanders made even the Kawandas look sophisticated.

That was a fun nation, I think I grabbed the actual nation for that one while it was a thing :p

Toxicity

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:41 pm
by Liddell Hart
Welcome back to the Mod team, Sedge. You must be a bit of a masochist to volunteer to deal with all of this!

Hello Everyone!

I've been around Nationstates in some fashion since 2004, mainly as an issues player, though a bit more involved in R/D the past few years (barely).

The prevalence of off-site activity through forums and various chat services was my main barrier to getting involved in GP. Not due to any sort of blacklist, just me being a Shy Guy who would prefer more gameside activity and opportunity for new players.

I was once a simple Native, residing in a simple UCR, until our founder CTEd and the raiders came. I, like many others, fervently disliked the raiders. I thought they were ruining the experience of the game itself. I set about seeking assistance for our region, sending TGs to various defender regions, but stopped short of joining any forums. It's been so long I can't remember if our region was liberated or if the raiders just left after a prolonged occupation, but I never received any response from the defenders.

I read everything I could find on GP mechanics, and for awhile would go around to recently tagged regions endorsing the WA Native with the longest residency in an effort to assist them in cleaning up. You can imagine how sad and pathetic that was. That led me to the feeling that the game was dying, if it wasn't dead already, and so I left for a bit. Like many of you, the game always called me to come back.

I returned and decided to join the raiders with the intention of learning their ways, and possibly being an infiltrator still keen on bringing about their demise. I was shocked to see that TBR had fallen during my absence, and that left TBH and DEN as the the two largest raiding regions. I enlisted with DEN.

I was learning the ropes and rising steadily, but along the way I came to appreciate the people I was playing with. Turns out raiders aren't inherently bad people out to ruin the game for others, though certainly some get their jollies that way. Then one day DEN was gone.

Having taking part in off-site forums and chats for raiding, and now without a region to call home again, I joined several other communities. I met a lot of really cool and friendly people along the way. I met a few odd ones as well, but that's to be expected on the internet.

I don't know much detail about why some of these people are shunned from various communities, but I do know two things for certain: off-site activity is by its very nature exclusive, and off-site activity provides avenues for nefarious types to skirt gameside moderation. I don't have a solution to offer other than curtailing off-site activity, and I've since returned to being an issues player who sticks to on-site gaming. Unfortunately that makes it difficult to play the game with you all, especially in the GCRs where off-site activity is a requirement to be involved.

I know I'm no Onder, but hopefully I could satiate your wall-lust.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:09 am
by Daytime to Night
Is their any chance we could move this to a separate thread? It’s clearly a separate discussion and there are much more interesting things happening in Gameplay at the moment that could be being discussed on this topic.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:37 am
by Bodger
Daytime to Night wrote:Is their any chance we could move this to a separate thread? It’s clearly a separate discussion and there are much more interesting things happening in Gameplay at the moment that could be being discussed on this topic.


Yes please. The neutral ground was always intended for chat and topics that do not have activity to be worth its own thread. To quote the rules of NG.

Sedgistan wrote:
[*]If there is not a dedicated thread for a matter/event, but you think it may get a significant amount of discussion, post one.


We clearly reached a significant amount of discussion with no signs of stopping.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:51 am
by Sedgistan
A large amount of discussion on "Blacklisting" / "the Whitelist" has been split out into this thread: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=479770

Some of the last page or so of posts here may look a bit muddled as a result, as it wasn't always clear-cut whether a post belonged there or not.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:14 pm
by Tim-Opolis
So apparently 2020 is the year that all of us sleeping defenders get dragged back into the fold for the comeback tour. I blame Benevolent Thomas.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:25 pm
by The Church of Satan
Tim-Opolis wrote:So apparently 2020 is the year that all of us sleeping defenders get dragged back into the fold for the comeback tour. I blame Benevolent Thomas.

I blame Karp. He's the one that messaged me out of the blue and said, "There's stuff to do! There's also a couple things to do."

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:48 pm
by Numero Capitan
Tim-Opolis wrote:So apparently 2020 is the year that all of us sleeping defenders get dragged back into the fold for the comeback tour. I blame Benevolent Thomas.


I'd like to thank the NPA for their recruitment efforts

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:52 pm
by Lord Dominator
Numero Capitan wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:So apparently 2020 is the year that all of us sleeping defenders get dragged back into the fold for the comeback tour. I blame Benevolent Thomas.


I'd like to thank the NPA for their recruitment efforts

Conspiracy obv

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:20 am
by Syberis
Tim-Opolis wrote:So apparently 2020 is the year that all of us sleeping defenders get dragged back into the fold for the comeback tour. I blame Benevolent Thomas.


I blame Tim. He's a menace.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:55 am
by Bodger
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Warzone Codger wrote:NS needs a better class of home-grown, in-universe racists.


We already have enough home-grown racists in NS :(



Yes, but no. We have enough racists in NS imported with RL racial ideas, but none based on home grown NS races.

In my hierarchy;

Individual
|
NS Family
|
Race (Germany, Bigtopian, Marsupial)
|
Region
|
Organisation (e.g. TGW if you are joining it to take part in defending, while you are a remember if another region)
|
Ideology (R/D, Nat Sov vs Int Fed for GA, Pro Choice/Life, Psychotic Dictatorships vs Civil Rights Fest etc)

Race is intertwined with Region for most of NS and you'll really only distinguish it in wehrboo regions, where their race is Prussia or Germany and their region is X. And the race was imported or inspired directly from RL

On the other hand the only home grown race I can think of is Marsupial and that's famous for no one wanting to be one.

(Unless we are claiming sheep and goats to be a race :meh: )

Most of gameplay is concerned with politics between Regions vs individuals or Region vs ideology etc or Organisation vs Organisation. Again it's often blurred.

My idea is introduce a home-grown concept of Race to NS. NS issues seemed to be the best place to start since there is such rich lore to play with. To clarify, I don't actually want the Skandilunders to be a 1 to 1 substitute of Nordic, Aryan Supermen but it is its own NS home grown race and culture that was partly inspired by Scandinavia.

Once that's done I can also invent racism...hence creating a better class of home grown racists.

In any case, I am (very, very) slowly working on reviving Bigtopia both as a race and region. Central to that is creating a compendium of everything related to Bigtopia in the game.

In my wild imagination, I hope to see players identifying themselves as part of the Bigtopian race, regardless of their region. The Bigtopia diaspora spreads far and wide and has integrated into the communities of many regions.

Then I want to hear of regions being subverted by Bigtopians, converted into passing laws to only select Pro Bigtopian issue answers.

-'B'odger. Boastful Bigtopian Racist.