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Tim-Opolis wrote:@ Codger, I know you'll read this
Was it an eraser that erased communists, or was it an eraser which itself was communist. I always thought the latter, but wish to know the reality.
I intended it to be the latter, but people keep getting confused lol. In the end it turned out to be both? I erased the whole pre-communist era of EE working with Czechmate but I also erased the communist era as I was gradually allowed to gradually make EE my own?
(Thanks for giving me a chance instead of derailing the TGW thread).
I consider Czechmate and Eastern Europe to be best play made by a disgruntled resident. It deserves its notoriety much more than Yauna and Greece. With Czech we had an attempted hostile refound and SC Liberation but he was able to fool his region into thinking he changed his ways and somehow be elected delegate again. And then be able to fool the NS community into supporting the repeal of EE's liberation so he could password the region. AND he was able to pull off the refound under everyone's noses before a second liberation could be passed.
EE could have ended there as a trophy region if he didn't have the rogue luck of finding a Codger so interested in his story and willing to put so much effort into testing a crazy idea. With EE I wanted to experiment with the idea of "rewriting history" and it was more or less successful, recruiting and building community of players who wholly swallowed my propaganda story that cast Czechmate as a hero against an oligarchs/old guard community that colluded with defenders and rightfully deserved being booted.
There is a perverse acknowledgement (?) knowing how much I screwed those old natives, who was not only booted from their home and gloated by the hostile founder, but also seeing that the new natives (and by all definition they are natives, as new players who joined because they liked the EE I created) praise that founder but while they are demonised. You also can't argue that I didn't put a ton of work rebuilding EE; fake history aside, I created a fun, active region and recruited my arse off which is why people joined the region.
Eventually Czech's involvement got less and less and I was allowed to use the region to try out my other ideas, including Peacezone Theory (lol). I also introduced the line that is still in the current WFE "From tsars and revolutionaries to modern politics, from monarchies, socialists and the chaos of democracies, Eastern Europe accepts all nations." which re-opened EE for all nations and not just the Stalinist front Czech intended. The funny thing is that as my own involvement got less and less and I became a silent founder, EE has reverted back to what is was pre-Czech, a small sleepy region for minor RPers.
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Anyways what's the point of this story?
1) If we are celebrating Greece for natives+defenders finally overcoming a hostile founder, we should also be impartial and celebrate the opposite in Eastern Europe, where Czech+I was able to create a new native community that idolised that that hostile founder and purged the goodwill for the previous natives.
2) EE > Greece, although if I knew which would be more famous I should have offered my services to Yauna instead of Czech. It would have been fun if Yauna Greece was built up as a alt-history RP region where Persians won the war and you had a situation where this new community of natives would be arguing for Greece's liberation to be repealed and Yauna's condemnation to be removed cause they all wholeheartedly believe "Yauna's a good guy who allowed this great alt history region to happen". Alas I could only choose one region.
3) I'm ok with telling this story now and no longer have to stay "in character", since it's 2017 and the original EE incident was in late 2010 and my actions working with Czech were in 2012-14. EE has gone through so many incarnations since then, first with my botched refounding and moving to Eastern European and then Predator which allowed me to gain EE's foundership. Also my non-involvement in the region allowing new residents to do their own things.