Neutral Ground - an Open Discussion Thread

by **The Blaatschapen** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:06 am

Tinhampton wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
How can someone have unknown knowledge?

What I literally did:
"Hmmm... I think I'll go on challenge mode today"
Find random nations that match my new level, rather than my old one
Notice Schlemeils as one of the nations. Honestly never heard of them before, so click nation link
Notice that Schlemeils was WAD of Gatesville for a day in the activity section
Report in Neutral Ground. Current discussion ensues.

That does not answer my question. If knowledge is unknown, can it even be knowledge.

by **Benevolent Thomas** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
That does not answer my question. If knowledge is unknown, can it even be knowledge.

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."

- Donald Rumsfeld

by **The Blaatschapen** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:44 am

Oldstesta Isle wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
That does not answer my question. If knowledge is unknown, can it even be knowledge.

Sure it can. The knowledge was obviously known to Tinhampton, but unknown to the rest of us. Now whether or not this knowledge was useful in any way is debatable at best. Honestly Gatesville hasn't even been remotely relevant since Durk hung up his magical coup cape.

If it was known to someone it was not unknown knowledge.

by **Wordy** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:02 am

How did this thread get so deep?

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:26 am

Heyo - gonna copypaste a post I made in a few discords, because it may well be relevant to folks here.

>>Hey folks! if you host anything on Photobucket, it's now no longer visible on any other sites and shows an ad instead. Photobucket wants free/low-cost members to now pay $400 a year to let their images be seen on other sites, and has replaced all images with an ad saying so, with no warning to users. Your factbooks, forum signatures, etc may have broken because of this if you use photobucket! Consider donwloading all your images and pain-in-the-ass rehosting them elsewhere like Imgur or Flikr or something and then fixing all your links, and dumb as having to do that is.<<

Pass it on if you don't mind - I know a lot of NS is still using PB. Lotta broken factbooks, and since PB gave *no* notice to users, they may not even know.

ex- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=van ... /id=604431

See also: modpost in NSSports

by **USS Monitor** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:39 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Heyo - gonna copypaste a post I made in a few discords, because it may well be relevant to folks here.

>>Hey folks! if you host anything on Photobucket, it's now no longer visible on any other sites and shows an ad instead. Photobucket wants free/low-cost members to now pay $400 a year to let their images be seen on other sites, and has replaced all images with an ad saying so, with no warning to users. Your factbooks, forum signatures, etc may have broken because of this if you use photobucket! Consider donwloading all your images and pain-in-the-ass rehosting them elsewhere like Imgur or Flikr or something and then fixing all your links, and dumb as having to do that is.<<

Pass it on if you don't mind - I know a lot of NS is still using PB. Lotta broken factbooks, and since PB gave *no* notice to users, they may not even know.

ex- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=van ... /id=604431

See also: modpost in NSSports

Yeah, we've been trying to spread the word about that. Thanks for helping to share the news.

by **Minoa** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:24 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Heyo - gonna copypaste a post I made in a few discords, because it may well be relevant to folks here.

>>Hey folks! if you host anything on Photobucket, it's now no longer visible on any other sites and shows an ad instead. Photobucket wants free/low-cost members to now pay $400 a year to let their images be seen on other sites, and has replaced all images with an ad saying so, with no warning to users. Your factbooks, forum signatures, etc may have broken because of this if you use photobucket! Consider donwloading all your images and pain-in-the-ass rehosting them elsewhere like Imgur or Flikr or something and then fixing all your links, and dumb as having to do that is.<<

Pass it on if you don't mind - I know a lot of NS is still using PB. Lotta broken factbooks, and since PB gave *no* notice to users, they may not even know.

ex- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=van ... /id=604431

See also: modpost in NSSports

Worthy of a global sticky in my opinion. This is the third case of image hosting companies stabbing users on the back, with the first major case being TinyPic’s recycling links scandal, and the second being when Imageshack replaced images with an ad for an app!

by **Altmoras** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:14 am

Slight offense, but if you're using Photobucket in the year 2017 you deserve what you get.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:18 am

Altmoras wrote:Slight offense, but if you're using Photobucket in the year 2017 you deserve what you get.

Many people who used something years ago tend not to go through the hassle of a switch until a catalyst prods it. This is a particularly harsh catylist for sure, but point is that there are plenty of people here who used PB the better part of a decade ago for their image hosting and never bothered to switch because...it was what they used, had an account for, and were familiar with.

Even among those who have switched since, many did not go through the trouble of *re-hosting* all their old images elsewhere -lay would just begin hosting new images elsewhere. Their old stuff is still breaking now.

by **Drop Your Pants** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:21 am

I don't even know what forums i'm using photobucket on

I'll find them eventually.

by **Consular** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:47 am

Photobucket was always rubbish. I don't know why anyone ever used it.

by **Belschaft** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:11 pm

Consular wrote:Photobucket was always rubbish. I don't know why anyone ever used it.

There was a brief period of time, a couple of years at most, where it was actually the best of the commonly used image hosting sites. It sounds absurd now, but remember; there was a time when Jolt was considered a good place to host a forum.

by **Consular** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:40 pm

Belschaft wrote:
Consular wrote:Photobucket was always rubbish. I don't know why anyone ever used it.

There was a brief period of time, a couple of years at most, where it was actually the best of the commonly used image hosting sites. It sounds absurd now, but remember; there was a time when Jolt was considered a good place to host a forum.

*shudders*

by **Sierra Lyricalia** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:25 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:(Photobucket)

Thank you for the info. I might well not have noticed until the next time I needed "stationery" for a GA draft. Months, possibly.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:03 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:(Photobucket)

Thank you for the info. I might well not have noticed until the next time I needed "stationery" for a GA draft. Months, possibly.

o/

by **Zaolat** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:58 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Oldstesta Isle wrote:No hate intended. Obviously by the way Tinhampton reports on events going on, they must have some innate unknown knowledge.

How can someone have unknown knowledge?

Yes, if you have participated in the region you will develop knowledge of Unknown.

by **Altmoras** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:53 am

Is it just me or does TWP have half as many Guardians as it did yesterday?

by **Davelands** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:26 am

Consular wrote:Photobucket was always rubbish. I don't know why anyone ever used it.

I use a domain that I purchased to host my images. True, it's not the cheapest option (about $125 a year for everything) and there is more work involved but I always have control over what happens to my images.

Altmoras wrote:Is it just me or does TWP have half as many Guardians as it did yesterday?

We will probably issue a statement in GP later today. Nothing serious.

by **Roavin** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 am

Davelands wrote:
Altmoras wrote:Is it just me or does TWP have half as many Guardians as it did yesterday?

We will probably issue a statement in GP later today. Nothing serious.

(emphasis mine) BBD's RMB post (that he since deleted) suggests otherwise.

by **Big Bad Badger** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:26 am

Roavin wrote:
Davelands wrote:We will probably issue a statement in GP later today. Nothing serious.

(emphasis mine) BBD's RMB post (that he since deleted) suggests otherwise.

I felt it was time for a change. Nothing nefarious. Just trying something different with the region.

by **Roavin** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:10 am

62 minutes ago: Yy4u relocated from The West Pacific to The Rejected Realms.
62 minutes ago: Yy4u was ejected and banned from The West Pacific by Big Bad Badger.

>_>!

by **Marimaa** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:15 am

All is well and peace and tranquility reign.

The only apparent problem is the quality of the jokes being posted on the RMB, to be frank, I've read more entertaining things on the back of beer mats.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:46 am

Altmoras wrote:Is it just me or does TWP have half as many Guardians as it did yesterday?

*coughs*

Sorry 'scuse me, nasty attack of the Empire.

by **Big Bad Badger** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:10 am

Marimaa wrote:All is well and peace and tranquility reign.

The only apparent problem is the quality of the jokes being posted on the RMB, to be frank, I've read more entertaining things on the back of beer mats.

Yeah, Monday Punday can bring out some groaners. But we try.

by **Glen-Rhodes** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:56 am

Roavin wrote:
62 minutes ago: Yy4u relocated from The West Pacific to The Rejected Realms.
62 minutes ago: Yy4u was ejected and banned from The West Pacific by Big Bad Badger.

>_>!

Banjecting long-time dedicated members of your community when they haven't broken any laws is really sad. Way to go, TWP *thumbs up*

Have fun with Empire, guys! This is why you don't let them anywhere near your regions.

Here's TWP's delegate:

From The Office of the Delegate

Ladies and Gentlemen, today I would like to thank The It Was 20 Years Ago Today of Bhang Bhang Duc, The OCD Bicyclist of Wickedly evil people, The ElderGrump of Yy4u, and The Is this for Real Mate of Elegarth for their service to the region. These individuals have been leaders in the region for much of the last decade. Their work and effort has shaped this region into what it is today.

Over my time as Delegate I have observed our region as well as many of our fellow GCR’s, friends and allies. My conclusion is that it was time for a change in our Guardians. This change will allow younger nations opportunities to prove themselves and step up in our meritocracy and show that they are worthy of leadership in the region.

Once again I want to thank our outgoing Guardians for their service for over a decade to the region. Furthermore, WA nations of The West Pacific; please help them get below the endorsement cap by unendorsing them immediately.

If you have any further questions about this or about opportunities in the region, please telegram me.

We are business as usual.

Hail TWP!

The Doesn't Suffer Fools Lightly of Big Bad Badger

How do Neenee (5 years) and Mediobogdum (4 years) count as "young nations"?

What else do they have in common, I wonder...

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