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Postby Zaolat » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:46 pm

Xoriet wrote:
Zaolat wrote:Happened to me. Can confirm.

I'm sure Xormangandr can too.

I can still read... :(

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Postby Xoriet » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:47 pm

Zaolat wrote:
Xoriet wrote:I can still read... :(

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I just need a translator ;__;
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:30 pm

Didn't you technically start out as an independent? Were you ever purely a defender? You may have only been suffering from an illusion of being able to read. :hug:
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Postby Cassidy Carver » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:57 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:Didn't you technically start out as an independent? Were you ever purely a defender? You may have only been suffering from an illusion of being able to read. :hug:

Nobody ever said independents can or can't read, Benevolent Thomas. :p
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Kolmias
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Postby Kolmias » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:15 pm

How is everyone today? You may not know me, but my name is Kolmias. I am a former DEN Private First Class, an LKE citizen and a citizen of the West Pacific.

Pleased to meet you all! :)
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:20 pm

Can I read?
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Benevolent Aurors » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:27 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Can I read?

Judging by your writings for the "Complete Guide to Military Gameplay", you can not.

Cassidy Carver wrote:Nobody ever said independents can or can't read, Benevolent Thomas. :p

The sample size of true independents has always been too small to properly examine.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:35 pm

Benevolent Aurors wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Can I read?

Judging by your writings for the "Complete Guide to Military Gameplay", you can not.

Cassidy Carver wrote:Nobody ever said independents can or can't read, Benevolent Thomas. :p

The sample size of true independents has always been too small to properly examine.


I never asked if I could write (or had time to :P). ;)
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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How Do I Telegram API?

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Postby Cassidy Carver » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:33 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I never asked if I could write (or had time to :P). ;)

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:43 pm

/me murders a bunch of newbs

Obiwhine Can't-own-me and Yoda-fenda, pfft.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:54 pm

Marselesk wrote:
Zaolat wrote:Only fendas read.

What if a fenda goes raider?
The better way is to never call yourself a fenda or a raider, and slowly generate a reputation of being one way or the other.

Then you maintain the ability to read. I think... :unsure:

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Postby Bodobol » Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:55 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:
Marselesk wrote:What if a fenda goes raider?
The better way is to never call yourself a fenda or a raider, and slowly generate a reputation of being one way or the other.

Then you maintain the ability to read. I think... :unsure:

*apparates out of the thread*


Can confirm, as someone who used to do both ans now I occasionally leap back in as one or the other. I can read.
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Postby Stalker Queen » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:07 pm

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:42 pm

Good morning neutral ground!

Today's Breaking news - Delegates lose the seat immediately upon resigning. Surprise!

Also, I can predict the future. I can see....a great many things....threads terribly long....another 1000 TET's....and....the next massive GP post-tornado of hell in Technical! AHHH! The power is to strong, I must rest now

/NPC retreat
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Consular » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:31 am

Need moar chems if you're gonna use the sight like that man.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:37 am

Consular wrote:Need moar chems if you're gonna use the sight like that man.


Papa Souls needs some Jet. Slow down time enough to tag before resigning now :P
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby PrussianEmpire » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:45 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Good morning neutral ground!

Today's Breaking news - Delegates lose the seat immediately upon resigning. Surprise!

Also, I can predict the future. I can see....a great many things....threads terribly long....another 1000 TET's....and....the next massive GP post-tornado of hell in Technical! AHHH! The power is to strong, I must rest now

/NPC retreat

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:53 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Good morning neutral ground!

Today's Breaking news - Delegates lose the seat immediately upon resigning. Surprise!

Also, I can predict the future. I can see....a great many things....threads terribly long....another 1000 TET's....and....the next massive GP post-tornado of hell in Technical! AHHH! The power is to strong, I must rest now

/NPC retreat


Remember, everything favors raiders. I'm sure this somehow give raiders even more power and probably will make it more common.

Uh...

Somehow...
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:00 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Good morning neutral ground!

Today's Breaking news - Delegates lose the seat immediately upon resigning. Surprise!

Also, I can predict the future. I can see....a great many things....threads terribly long....another 1000 TET's....and....the next massive GP post-tornado of hell in Technical! AHHH! The power is to strong, I must rest now

/NPC retreat


Remember, everything favors raiders. I'm sure this somehow give raiders even more power and probably will make it more common.

Uh...

Somehow...
Makes it harder for defenders to ever clean up the existing tagged regions.

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Postby Wordy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:19 pm

I doubt it will have much impact at all. RO appointments mean that both factions can still race through update with little pause. Not sure what the fuss is really.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:28 am

Wordy wrote:I doubt it will have much impact at all. RO appointments mean that both factions can still race through update with little pause. Not sure what the fuss is really.

Because, of course, people still want to delay those RO appointments :P

In fact, it's already come up again. That was one of the RO "fixes" that actually had grudging "alrights" from some of the R side before now, but now that would remove the loophole created and force the process of organized tagging to be entirely reinvented.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Marselesk » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:35 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Wordy wrote:I doubt it will have much impact at all. RO appointments mean that both factions can still race through update with little pause. Not sure what the fuss is really.

Because, of course, people still want to delay those RO appointments :P

In fact, it's already come up again. That was one of the RO "fixes" that actually had grudging "alrights" from some of the R side before now, but now that would remove the loophole created and force the process of organized tagging to be entirely reinvented.

I love my raiding like i love my laws. With a loophole i can utilize for my own gain :P
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Postby Cora II » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:41 am

Marselesk wrote:I love my raiding like i love my laws. With a loophole i can utilize for my own gain :P


I like that loophole as its effectively nullify everything relevant what I suppose was reasons behind removal-of-delegate-by-resignation implementation, giving more options and flexibility for updaters.

But exactly because it clearly is loophole, thus going to be blocked sooner or later, we've concentrated in the Mercs for training trying do things not utilizing it. Contrary to your opinion, used RO assisted 'team tagging' method secures best those 'own gains', as freeloaders, and solos won't get points in the future anymore, putting the gains of whole team ahead them. That's damn good thing. Tagging has never been that fun then during few last updates when made as collective team effort. :)

That's why I cry against delays in RO authorization. Loophole can go first, if I had to choose.
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Postby Marselesk » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:34 am

Cora II wrote:
Marselesk wrote:I love my raiding like i love my laws. With a loophole i can utilize for my own gain :P


I like that loophole as its effectively nullify everything relevant what I suppose was reasons behind removal-of-delegate-by-resignation implementation, giving more options and flexibility for updaters.

But exactly because it clearly is loophole, thus going to be blocked sooner or later, we've concentrated in the Mercs for training trying do things not utilizing it. Contrary to your opinion, used RO assisted 'team tagging' method secures best those 'own gains', as freeloaders, and solos won't get points in the future anymore, putting the gains of whole team ahead them. That's damn good thing. Tagging has never been that fun then during few last updates when made as collective team effort. :)

That's why I cry against delays in RO authorization. Loophole can go first, if I had to choose.

Wait, i'm not sure i understand your point. You discourage Cimmerians from using the loophole, but cry against nullifying it?
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Postby Cora II » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:49 am

Delay in RO authorization would cut team play aspect (team tags made by ROs authorized by WAD) out from prospects. I see that bad thing.

Removing loophole that makes recent change of mechanics almost meaningless (few secs delay per hit) should be blocked in way it won't ruin the use of ROs from taggers/detaggers. My solution suggestion for that here: viewtopic.php?p=26779918#p26779918

Current situation seems to me interrim phase of the game's development. Loophole can be used meanwhile, but its not all about quantity of hits, its also about quality of R/D. :)
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