Neutral Ground - an Open Discussion Thread

[Vespertania]

Why can't a person just enjoy gathering cards?

I've got a decent starting deck, and i just keep the better cards i get from answering issues. I don't use any puppets and I very rarely use the market. (it's kind of useless anyway.)

[Codger]

I have been thinking about the card game recently and with lot of imagination, you could imagine Card Trading is actually an analogy for conquest and its aftermath of petty warlords wheeling and dealing territories for cash.

It begins with issues. When select whether you want trading cards or not from answering issues, you are really deciding whether you are a pacifist or a warmongering nation. If you choose to accept cards, you acknowledge that a consequence of deciding issues involves the invasion of parts of other nations. The territories of the nations you have displaced to achieve of your issue outcomes are represented by the cards of different nations in each deck. The status of the card - legendary/epic/common etc is the base value of the territories conquered. Many territories are basically worthless so they were usually stripped bare for 'junk' value.

The market is a bazaar where all the petty warlords gather around to exchange fiefdoms for cash. It is a ruthless business and already there is a cabal of Card Czars who have bought much of the most valuable territories and could seriously disrupt the market if they chose to. They can and often collude.

With the landscape described, I suggest t is time that a Card Defender-Liberator organisation be formed. Any cards we uncover from our own issues, we should gift back the territories/cards to the named nations. In the market, our goal should be to raise bank to buy the territories from the traffickers and liberate those territories by returning the card back to the motherland, taking the card out of the market - assuming a nation won't sell the card of its own nation.

Who is going stand up for what is right and challenge the Card Czar Cabal?

I should have posted this in to the Cards Forum but there is scarcely a community there and the call to *organise* a Card Defender organisation is Gameplay.

How do you plan on collecting money to fight the exploitation of nation trade by not partaking in it yourself? At some point in order to raise money you will either have to junk or sell nations. Junking a nation is theoretically even worse. You're wiping that nation from existence, essentially nuking it.

There are ex nation cards, inactive login-once every 60 day nation cards and puppet card that could be considered free for alls and ok to be junked.

Otherwise there's also the option of becoming a Moralist Card Defender where we only defend nation cards that agree with our own values and junk the rest.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Anyone know who is behind NoCookies20?

Just curious who thought The Midnight Order was relevant enough to warrant two refoundings (The Midnight Order/The Midnight Temple)

[Armaros]

Anyone know who is behind NoCookies20?

Just curious who thought The Midnight Order was relevant enough to warrant two refoundings (The Midnight Order/The Midnight Temple)

That's an odd approach. They refound dead regions and then claim victory. Several of those regions they refounded aren't really raider, and it certainly isn't much of a victory. I've tried to figure out who it is but never found out.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Anyone know who is behind NoCookies20?

Just curious who thought The Midnight Order was relevant enough to warrant two refoundings (The Midnight Order/The Midnight Temple)

That's an odd approach. They refound dead regions and then claim victory. Several of those regions they refounded aren't really raider, and it certainly isn't much of a victory. I've tried to figure out who it is but never found out.

Several? What else has our mystery guest acquired?

[Drop Your Pants]

Several? What else has our mystery guest acquired?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_ ... es?start=0

5 pages of refounds.

[Blood Wine]

Although it could be useful for certain major events to collectively agree on a set blacklist and publish it as if would help new events started by new regions know who not to let in so as to protect the integrity of the event and the people attending such an event from dubious and or plain bad characters

if a region is throwing a large enough event to attract those kinds of people, im sure someone would let them know

To chime in on this, most large regions have at least one GP veteran on staff that can point them out, if not just hang out in the NSGP discord server and you'll see names float by

Anyone know who is behind NoCookies20?

Just curious who thought The Midnight Order was relevant enough to warrant two refoundings (The Midnight Order/The Midnight Temple)

The only information I have on them is that they have ''defended" from Spear Danes, tried finding this person a while ago and had no luck, pretty much asked any defender bigwig i could find

[The Blaatschapen]

When in the past we've looked for a mod with a raider alignment, it's not because we think that they'd be all pro-raider in terms of their mod decisions to balance the rest of us die-hard defenders out, but because they offer a different perspective and set of experiences that the rest of us lack.

Speaking of this. Are there still any defender mods?

Anyone you (NSGP crowd) think that would make a good one?

[Drop Your Pants]

Speaking of this. Are there still any defender mods?

Anyone you (NSGP crowd) think that would make a good one?

Forward Fratt. If we can drop the good and maybe go with just Ok then we've got a few more. I'll take the bottom of the list at 'Most likely to blow up the forum'

[Lord Dominator]

Speaking of this. Are there still any defender mods?

Anyone you (NSGP crowd) think that would make a good one?

Forward Fratt. If we can drop the good and maybe go with just Ok then we've got a few more. I'll take the bottom of the list at 'Most likely to blow up the forum'

Fratt can't accept, he knows we'll switch his Commend to his mod nation

[The Blaatschapen]

Forward Fratt. If we can drop the good and maybe go with just Ok then we've got a few more. I'll take the bottom of the list at 'Most likely to blow up the forum'

Fratt can't accept, he knows we'll switch his Commend to his mod nation

Easier said than done. You'd have to get the commend passed on the other nation and then revoke the old one (or first revoke). All the while staying clear of not commending a mod nation on their mod duties.

[Lord Dominator]

Fratt can't accept, he knows we'll switch his Commend to his mod nation

Easier said than done. You'd have to get the commend passed on the other nation and then revoke the old one (or first revoke). All the while staying clear of not commending a mod nation on their mod duties.

Pfft, we have enough covered to not need to do it on mod duties, and could probably repeal it on the basis of 'nation doesn't exist any-more, moving it to this one' (IC of course, OOC just tell everyone we're moving it to his mod nation)>

[Aclion]

Easier said than done. You'd have to get the commend passed on the other nation and then revoke the old one (or first revoke). All the while staying clear of not commending a mod nation on their mod duties.

Pfft, we have enough covered to not need to do it on mod duties, and could probably repeal it on the basis of 'nation doesn't exist any-more, moving it to this one' (IC of course, OOC just tell everyone we're moving it to his mod nation)>

"saddened by the loss of the nation's historical territory"

[Lord Dominator]

Pfft, we have enough covered to not need to do it on mod duties, and could probably repeal it on the basis of 'nation doesn't exist any-more, moving it to this one' (IC of course, OOC just tell everyone we're moving it to his mod nation)>

"saddened by the loss of the nation's historical territory"

Pfft, '[nation] has ceased to exist' is perfectly legal last I checked

[Raccoon Creek]

When in the past we've looked for a mod with a raider alignment, it's not because we think that they'd be all pro-raider in terms of their mod decisions to balance the rest of us die-hard defenders out, but because they offer a different perspective and set of experiences that the rest of us lack.

Speaking of this. Are there still any defender mods?

Anyone you (NSGP crowd) think that would make a good one?

This brings up a question for me. What is the current strength of R/D in NS presently? I remember when I first started playing the game The Black Riders and DEN made significant impacts each update. Though now I seldom hear of raids or liberations.

[Lord Dominator]

Speaking of this. Are there still any defender mods?

Anyone you (NSGP crowd) think that would make a good one?

This brings up a question for me. What is the current strength of R/D in NS presently? I remember when I first started playing the game The Black Riders and DEN made significant impacts each update. Though now I seldom hear of raids or liberations.

Define 'strength'

[Raccoon Creek]

This brings up a question for me. What is the current strength of R/D in NS presently? I remember when I first started playing the game The Black Riders and DEN made significant impacts each update. Though now I seldom hear of raids or liberations.

Define 'strength'

High activity, membership, participation...

[Lord Dominator]

Define 'strength'

High activity, membership, participation...

Well defenders appear to be dead and raiders have spent the last two months in Westphalia, so not much on either side

[Raccoon Creek]

High activity, membership, participation...

Well defenders appear to be dead and raiders have spent the last two months in Westphalia, so not much on either side

Why have they spent the last two months in Westphalia? Also, I thought that Lily was the dominant raider organization at present, or has this changed? The death of the defenders could be the sign that the raiding has come to an end...or at least to an extent which no longer requires large scale defensive operations.

[Salvarity]

Well defenders appear to be dead and raiders have spent the last two months in Westphalia, so not much on either side

Why have they spent the last two months in Westphalia? Also, I thought that Lily was the dominant raider organization at present, or has this changed? The death of the defenders could be the sign that the raiding has come to an end...or at least to an extent which no longer requires large scale defensive operations.

Lily's pretty meh. They're around but don't raid too often. I think it was burnout that got them?

The Black Hawks are the main kids on the bloc, there's a few other regions hanging around too (mine being one of them). R/D isn't really coming to an end, but a lot of players on both sides are expressing boredom at R/D and Gameplay in general. How true that is, I don't really know.

[Fire Eaters of Last Hope]

Well defenders appear to be dead and raiders have spent the last two months in Westphalia, so not much on either side

Why have they spent the last two months in Westphalia? Also, I thought that Lily was the dominant raider organization at present, or has this changed? The death of the defenders could be the sign that the raiding has come to an end...or at least to an extent which no longer requires large scale defensive operations.

We’ve been in Westphalia for an operation, but we’re still out raiding. Also, Lily isn’t raider and never was as far as I know. They’re independent, so they raid and defend. TBH is dominant when it comes to raiding but we’re definitely not the only ones out raiding.

[Drop Your Pants]

Did we really need that in a bigger font than normal?

R/D is fairly dead, there's a few taggers out and about but nothing special.

[Vanquaria]

Whens my fucking promotion

Did we really need that in a bigger font than normal?

R/D is fairly dead, there's a few taggers out and about but nothing special.

The bigger the better

[Armaros]

Well defenders appear to be dead and raiders have spent the last two months in Westphalia, so not much on either side

Why have they spent the last two months in Westphalia? Also, I thought that Lily was the dominant raider organization at present, or has this changed? The death of the defenders could be the sign that the raiding has come to an end...or at least to an extent which no longer requires large scale defensive operations.

The Black Hawks are in Westphalia for an operation, and do still do tag raids while occupying.

Lily never was dominant, or a raider org.

Raiding has certainly not come to an end. Defending has. I'm not sure why (defending is a bit harder then raiding, but suddenly most defender orgs went inactive for some reason) but that is not the death of raiding. Far from it.

[Drop Your Pants]

Raiding has certainly not come to an end. Defending has. I'm not sure why (defending is a bit harder then raiding, but suddenly most defender orgs went inactive for some reason) but that is not the death of raiding. Far from it.

Lack of interest for the most part. There was a time that the only taggers were Lily, before the current TBH generation became more active. Very hard to entice new people into defending when it's either split second triggers or detag lists.