The Identity of TSP's rogue delegate revealed

[Kshrlmnt]

snip misunderstanding

What I think Wordy meant in that post was that for a mod to engage in raiding or defending effects the balance of the game. The fact that we now have invader mods might inspire more people to raid because as he/she (can't remember the gender of Wordy) said "mods are held in high regard".

I'm not saying that, but that's what I got from Wordy's post.

On the other hand, I've heard complaints that having former defenders be mods is a bad thing. It goes both ways here.

Sometimes I wish I was a forum moderator so I would have hundreds of blind followers to endorse me in whichever region I pleased.

Wait, that's in the contract? I can just waltz into a region, snap my fingers, and *POOF* I'll have hundreds of endorsements from my own personal brownnose brigade?

Quickly, my loyal legion! The Pacifics shall soon know the terror of Reppy and her Blind Followers!

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Loyal legion? Blind followers? Hey, are you guys out there? Seriously, quit hiding, this isn't funny. I wanna rule a feeder and that's YOUR job!

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*listens to crickets*

Side note: Much as I'd love to call Sedge a raider/invader for this, when you don't use outside endorsements to gain the delegacy I really don't think it counts.

[-Echolilia-]

Do I think he's also tainted his defender legacy? Yes. Perhaps you don't understand how defenders think, because defenders like me, don't do what they do because "it's just fun", like a raider does-- we do it because it seems like the right thing to do. My dad used to say that when a person is driving at an intersection with no police or people around to watch, the moral test of a person is whether they stop at a stop sign or not anyways. Sedge slipped on the identity of Dev like the Ring of Gyges and did what he wanted to do instead of simply what he thought would make him look good for once, and that is what is unnerving, because some of us don't believe we would do as he would do just out of boredom or a sense of moral non-agency.

I bolded the really important phrase here, because the rest is you saying the same things you've always said to me in private and public anyway. I think if we were to take a cross-section of defenders out there, the list of "defenders like [you]" would actually be pretty short.

raises hand

[Lordieth]

To be honest, I think recent events will actually put players off of raiding, rather than somehow make it more attractive because a Moderator was involved.

Interesting how there was a balance of disapproval and approval of the event up until we found out Sedge was Devon.

I think it's the raiders that will suffer in the long run, not the defenders.

Total and utter backfire however you look at it.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

To be honest, I think recent events will actually put players off of raiding, rather than somehow make it more attractive because a Moderator was involved.

Interesting how there was a balance of disapproval and approval of the event up until we found out Sedge was Devon.

I think it's the raiders that will suffer in the long run, not the defenders.

Total and utter backfire however you look at it.

You seem to be under the assumption that Sedge's goal was to... increase raiding? Okaaay then...

[Pyshoria]

This shouldn't be too shocking, especially in the outcome. Sedge gets another badge added to his trophy case at the expense of multiple people and organizations. He tries to become a raider and ruin the reputation of a few people at the same time, but he forgets a crucial element of raiding: loose lips sink ships.

Let this be a lesson to all aspiring game players, and any orgs that wish to retain or take him on.

Ah, the wonderful insights of a former griefer.

I think it's the raiders that will suffer in the long run, not the defenders. Total and utter backfire however you look at it.

I believe otherwise. This surprise clearly makes defenders seem weaker than usual, and might just provide a morale boost to the raiders/griefers of NS. After all, the raiding community is probably alive with laughter at the moment.

[Aquorona]

I think it's the raiders that will suffer in the long run, not the defenders. Total and utter backfire however you look at it.

I don't think it has anything to do with the raider or defender axis, since it wasn't an invasion, and rather an internal election/coup, in which the FRA decided to meddle in.

It lacks the essential elements of a raid: it was not claimed for a foreign power, or the invader himself; rather, elections were organized, allowing the people to express their views, in a desert region with an absent WAD who, therefore, wasn't available to listen to the natives.

The FRA intervention shows disrespect for the TSP sovereignty, and the will of the natives themselves, for they shouldn't have intervened in an internal affair.

On the point you have raised, though, the appearance of what happened is not necessarily coincidental to the objective facts that actually occurred.

People might perceive this as a defender gone invader, or they can just be sane and understand defending/invading had nothing to do with it.

[Pyshoria]

I don't think it has anything to do with the raider or defender axis, since it wasn't an invasion, and rather an internal election/coup, in which the FRA decided to meddle in.

It lacks the essential elements of a raid: it was not claimed for a foreign power, or the invader himself; rather, elections were organized, allowing the people to express their views, in a desert region with an absent WAD who, therefore, wasn't available to listen to the natives.

The FRA intervention shows disrespect for the TSP sovereignty, and the will of the natives themselves, for they shouldn't have intervened in an internal affair.

On the point you have raised, though, the appearance of what happened is not necessarily coincidental to the objective facts that actually occurred.

People might perceive this as a defender gone invader, or they can just be sane and understand defending/invading had nothing to do with it.

Oh, Sedge's actions count as an invasion all right, one shouldn't be mistaken. I do applaud your attempt to decrease the popularity of FRA, which already has dropped to an extreme degree, though. Quite well worded.

[Aquorona]

I don't think it has anything to do with the raider or defender axis, since it wasn't an invasion, and rather an internal election/coup, in which the FRA decided to meddle in.

It lacks the essential elements of a raid: it was not claimed for a foreign power, or the invader himself; rather, elections were organized, allowing the people to express their views, in a desert region with an absent WAD who, therefore, wasn't available to listen to the natives.

The FRA intervention shows disrespect for the TSP sovereignty, and the will of the natives themselves, for they shouldn't have intervened in an internal affair.

On the point you have raised, though, the appearance of what happened is not necessarily coincidental to the objective facts that actually occurred.

People might perceive this as a defender gone invader, or they can just be sane and understand defending/invading had nothing to do with it.

Oh, Sedge's actions count as an invasion all right, one shouldn't be mistaken. I do applaud your attempt to decrease the popularity of FRA, which already has dropped to an extreme degree, though. Quite well worded.

Would you care to identify which elements of his actions make it an invasion?

Because, as an invader, from the moment he took over, didn't claim it, and acted so nice having elections, I bawed because he wasn't an invader.

So yeah, can you at least present arguments to convince me, a raider, that what he did was an invasion?

[Pyshoria]

Oh, Sedge's actions count as an invasion all right, one shouldn't be mistaken. I do applaud your attempt to decrease the popularity of FRA, which already has dropped to an extreme degree, though. Quite well worded.

Would you care to identify which elements of his actions make it an invasion?

Because, as an invader, from the moment he took over, didn't claim it, and acted so nice having elections, I bawed because he wasn't an invader.

So yeah, can you at least present arguments to convince me, a raider, that what he did was an invasion?

Northern Chittowa has already clarified that on Page 2. Feel free to read said post.

[Crazy girl]

And I also explained why it isn't an invasion. Go read back too

[Aquorona]

Would you care to identify which elements of his actions make it an invasion?

Because, as an invader, from the moment he took over, didn't claim it, and acted so nice having elections, I bawed because he wasn't an invader.

So yeah, can you at least present arguments to convince me, a raider, that what he did was an invasion?

Northern Chittowa has already clarified that on Page 2. Feel free to read said post.

You too, since at the end he makes a disclaimer saying otherwise to your claim.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

What difference does it make whether or not he is an invader? It's just a semantical argument that has no bearing on what actually happened.

[Cerberion]

So I think the big question that I haven't seen asked (and I may have missed it) was the reasons why CG and Sedge gave up defending when they became moderators.

My instinct is that they did this because being an active defender and a moderator could be seen as a conflict of interests. There may be other reasons that I am unaware of (like they were just tired of defending).

I'd love to hear the back story on their decision making process.

I do have concerns that a defender mod or invader mod could unbalance the game (unless there was one on each side) because most players would probably see their Mod leader as invincible. I'm not saying that they would be right, but it's sure a big flag to rally behind.

I find it amusing that we can argue for days on whether this was a raid. I think that raid, coup, or invade are pretty much synonyms within the NS game, but perhaps their distinctions are only clear to raiders, invaders, or... coupers? Perhaps it's because invader is a lot easier to state than couper :P

[Flemingovia]

And I also explained why it isn't an invasion. Go read back too

In general if it smells of crap and looks like crap it is best not to taste it, because it probably is crap. Even if someone says it is only excrement.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

So I think the big question that I haven't seen asked (and I may have missed it) was the reasons why CG and Sedge gave up defending when they became moderators.

My instinct is that they did this because being an active defender and a moderator could be seen as a conflict of interests. There may be other reasons that I am unaware of (like they were just tired of defending).

I'd love to hear the back story on their decision making process.

I do have concerns that a defender mod or invader mod could unbalance the game (unless there was one on each side) because most players would probably see their Mod leader as invincible. I'm not saying that they would be right, but it's sure a big flag to rally behind.

I find it amusing that we can argue for days on whether this was a raid. I think that raid, coup, or invade are pretty much synonyms within the NS game, but perhaps their distinctions are only clear to raiders, invaders, or... coupers? Perhaps it's because invader is a lot easier to state than couper

I doubt it would seriously unbalance the game. This isn't the pre-influence era of mod-conspiracy theories.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

So I think the big question that I haven't seen asked (and I may have missed it) was the reasons why CG and Sedge gave up defending when they became moderators.

My instinct is that they did this because being an active defender and a moderator could be seen as a conflict of interests. There may be other reasons that I am unaware of (like they were just tired of defending).

I'd love to hear the back story on their decision making process.

I do have concerns that a defender mod or invader mod could unbalance the game (unless there was one on each side) because most players would probably see their Mod leader as invincible. I'm not saying that they would be right, but it's sure a big flag to rally behind.

I find it amusing that we can argue for days on whether this was a raid. I think that raid, coup, or invade are pretty much synonyms within the NS game, but perhaps their distinctions are only clear to raiders, invaders, or... coupers? Perhaps it's because invader is a lot easier to state than couper

I doubt it would seriously unbalance the game. This isn't the pre-influence era of mod-conspiracy theories.

zOMG! lyk all teh modz are lyk, totally pro-fenda, n'stuff.



Sorry, couldn't resist. There are still people who believe that crap.

[Cerberion]

I doubt it would seriously unbalance the game. This isn't the pre-influence era of mod-conspiracy theories.

zOMG! lyk all teh modz are lyk, totally pro-fenda, n'stuff.

:roll:

Sorry, couldn't resist. There are still people who believe that crap.

I'm categorically stating that I don't believe that a mod would show preferrential treatment. There are however, a lot of gullible people that would think that one on their side might give them an edge.

There are a lot of new players who get into defending and raiding who have no concept of the game mechanics.

[NERVUN]

So I think the big question that I haven't seen asked (and I may have missed it) was the reasons why CG and Sedge gave up defending when they became moderators.

My instinct is that they did this because being an active defender and a moderator could be seen as a conflict of interests. There may be other reasons that I am unaware of (like they were just tired of defending).

I'd love to hear the back story on their decision making process.

I do have concerns that a defender mod or invader mod could unbalance the game (unless there was one on each side) because most players would probably see their Mod leader as invincible. I'm not saying that they would be right, but it's sure a big flag to rally behind.

I cannot state with surity about their thought processes (And in nay case, I'm not sure I really want to see their thought processes ) but I can say that from a Mod prospective, we have to remain nutral. We can play the game, and we all do in one form or another, but as ourselves-as-Mods, we have to remain above any and all disbutes.

It's why there are now certain topics I do not respond to in General any more because I know I may be called on to settle something or another and cannot do that if it looks as if I am heavily for one side or another. Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

[Cerberion]

Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

I believe that this was the case, but I think the line has been crossed in the eyes of many players.

I suspect that is why this event has caused so much uproar.

[Ethel mermania]

Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

I believe that this was the case, but I think the line has been crossed in the eyes of many players.

I suspect that is why this event has caused so much uproar.

which is another reason that makes the whole thing a positive.


It is either this or anthony Weiner jokes.

[-Echolilia-]

And I also explained why it isn't an invasion. Go read back too

I find it almost impossible to believe you can't see that there are other ways of viewing things, but your repetition of this point makes me think I might achieve the impossible.

[Unibot II]

Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

And when they realized they miscalculated and had a defender organization deploying against them, they spited the head of the organization and the bill that passed to prevent their destabilization of the South Pacific. At what cost is activity not worth it anymore? When long standing regional cultures are overthrown at the whim of a kingmaker? When native forums are misplaced? When people are hurt?

[The Peoples of Xaer]

And when they realized they miscalculated and had a defender organization deploying against them, they spited the head of the organization and the bill that passed to prevent their destabilization of the South Pacific. At what cost is activity not worth it anymore? When long standing regional cultures are overthrown at the whim of a kingmaker? When native forums are misplaced? When people are hurt?

Oh noes, people playing POLITICS and POLITICAL INTRIGUE in a POLITICAL GAME. Honestly, did no one ever consider the possibility of double-agents, people with hidden agendas, and so on and so forth? Things that happen in real politics? For all any of you know, you could have spies deep undercover in any of your various raider/fenda/regional organizations, little timebombs just waiting for the perfect moment to strike and forward whatever their real goals are.

If people are 'hurt' by a double agent acting on his or her agenda, maybe they need to remind themselves that it's just a political game and not take it so personally. From the crying I see in here from so many people, you would think Sedge or Crazy Girl was caught in bed with all of your girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands and not merely taking over a region in a dinky little browser webgame!

[Tsim Sha Tsui]

Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

How is betraying your theoretical allies, using your position in a (nominally) defender region to keep it neutral, and banjecting anyone that disagrees with you "walking the line"?

[NERVUN]

Sedge and CG have, in my opinion, done a remarkable job in walking the line between the two camps and still have brought more life to this section of the game.

And when they realized they miscalculated and had a defender organization deploying against them, they spited the head of the organization and the bill that passed to prevent their destabilization of the South Pacific. At what cost is activity not worth it anymore? When long standing regional cultures are overthrown at the whim of a kingmaker? When native forums are misplaced? When people are hurt?

So... you would rather us do what? Kill the whole raider/defender game? We can do that.

We could ask the techies to do any number of things that would make it impossible to actually conduct either a raid or a defence. You're missing the point Uni, we do not either condem or approve of what Sedge and CG did as players, just as we do not condem or approve other raiders/defenders as long as what is done is done according to the rules.