Ever Considered Raiding?

[Kshrlmnt]

Raiding
aka, FUN FOR ALL

What is raiding?

What is Raiding? Raiding, also known in some circles as "invading," is the practice of moving into a region with a number of World Assembly Nations with the purpose of capturing the delegacy, typically for the glory of having done so. It's a team sport, and like all team sports, hanging out with your teammates is at least as much fun as actually playing!

How do we Raid? Quickly and carefully. In a nutshell, a number of nations with WA status all jump into a region shortly before it updates, endorse one of their number as delegate, and then brag about it when the update happens as we drink from the keg of glory.

Sounds Easy! Well, it can be. If nobody notices, it certainly is easy, and that's always a bonus. There are those who try to stop us, though, they call themselves "defenders," we usually call them "fendas" or, well, worse names (like any sport). They jump in and endorse the current delegate, hoping to outnumber us and prevent us from taking the region.

What Next? You're certainly in the right place to learn more. Keep reading!

But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?

In raiding, we do not destroy or harm other regions. We simply change the World Factbook Entry, the flag, and guard our target until we leave. Some groups even put back up the previous World Factbook Entry as they found it before they leave. After we leave, the region can remove bans that were placed, revive their flag, and continue on about their business. There’s no foul play here, just fun for all.

Why do people raid?

People raid for many reasons--power, challenge, and fun. Plus, there’s awesome people and a bunch of new friends. If nothing else, it would even be worth it for the raid chats, where anything and everything can happen. Raiding fosters a real sense of community and builds long-lasting friendships.

I want to try this…

Awesome; we’d love to have you! Europeia and Unknown will be hosting two practice raids for any and all who’d like to try. If you’re interested, simply telegram the raid leader saying you can be there, have a nation in the World Assembly, and show up at the correct time!

Unknown’s Raid
Sunday, May 1, 4am-6am GMT
Led by Kshrlmnt

Europeia's Raid
Friday, April 29, 4am-6am GMT
Led by Xeno Griff

Unknown's Raidathon
So you realize you've liked these raids? Unknown will be hosting a Raidathon from May 8-14 (registration on Unknown's forums May 1-7). Get a few of your good friends together and be ready to raid!

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If you’d like to raid with us but can't make either time, or simply have more questions, feel free to telegram us!
Kshrlmnt, Captain of Unknown
Oliver the Mediocre, World Assembly Delegate of Europeia
Xeno Griff, Grand Admiral of Europeia

[Oliver the Mediocre]

If you've never done it, you don't know what it's like. Trust me. I thought I did, and then I tried it, and it's unlike anything else in nationstates. It's an experience worth having!

[TheDefenestrated]

A raidathon? Sounds like fun.

[Numero Capitan]

But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?

In raiding, we do not destroy or harm other regions. We simply change the World Factbook Entry, the flag, and guard our target until we leave. Some groups even put back up the previous World Factbook Entry as they found it before they leave. After we leave, the region can remove bans that were placed, revive their flag, and continue on about their business. There’s no foul play here, just fun for all.

How did you work that one out? Lets take your own region, Unknown.

- The region was originally a neutral region until raiders from the Brotherhood of Blood raided, kicked out every single native nation over many months and moved the Brotherhood of Blood there as their main region. Completely destroyed the community that existed there before.

- They then raided other peaceful communities and destroyed the regions, taking them as trophy's to boast about how they raided and destroyed them, such as;

Mysteria (still kept as a trophy by an Unknown member)
The Shadowlands (still kept as a trophy by an Unknown member)
Prussia Reborn (still kept as a trophy)
San Francisco Chinatown (now taken back by their original region)
Sealand (now no longer a region)
The Federal Alliance of Nations (no longer a region)

- They attempted and failed to password and destroy the Imperial Empire.

- They passworded and attempted to destroy Michigan.

- Attempted to grief and destroy Sweden

- Attempted to destroy Free Thought alongside their allies

- Attempted to destroy/grief 404 Region Not Found

- Destroyed the region Time

Off the top of my head, theres plenty more examples from Unknown alone,let alone the countless innocent natives ejected and banned from their regions to satisfy your regions idea of fun.


Fun for all, I dont think so...

[Belschaft]

Awww, raider propaganda. How sweet. The raid-athon sounds interesting though; the FRA will be busy that week.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

Awww, raider propaganda. How sweet. The raid-athon sounds interesting though; the FRA will be busy that week.

We're not posting in the defender thread accusing them of posting propaganda. We're just offering up some access to the other side. Anybody who's curious, even if they're not interested in joining us, should feel welcome to contact me, I'm happy to talk about my experiences as a raider. We're not all baby-eating horrible monsters, and it's time we became a little more accessible to try to dispel that assumption.

[Belschaft]

Awww, raider propaganda. How sweet. The raid-athon sounds interesting though; the FRA will be busy that week.

We're not posting in the defender thread accusing them of posting propaganda. We're just offering up some access to the other side. Anybody who's curious, even if they're not interested in joining us, should feel welcome to contact me, I'm happy to talk about my experiences as a raider. We're not all baby-eating horrible monsters, and it's time we became a little more accessible to try to dispel that assumption.

You have to admit though that the 'But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?' section is a tad spun. Describing it as fun for all doesn't really apply to invaded natives now, does it? I'm sure they totally enjoy it.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

We're not posting in the defender thread accusing them of posting propaganda. We're just offering up some access to the other side. Anybody who's curious, even if they're not interested in joining us, should feel welcome to contact me, I'm happy to talk about my experiences as a raider. We're not all baby-eating horrible monsters, and it's time we became a little more accessible to try to dispel that assumption.

You have to admit though that the 'But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?' section is a tad spun. Describing it as fun for all doesn't really apply to invaded natives now, does it? I'm sure they totally enjoy it.

Depends on the region. Some regions kind of enjoy it, after they get over the shock. I'm a pretty nice invader delegate, I don't pester the natives, I'm not a jerk, I join in (a little bit) on their RMB if I'm sticking around, and if the natives are also friendly, polite, and understanding, I say nice things about them when we leave.

If you're shocked by the spin, well, we're raiders, it's a fact of reality that the things we write are going to be written from the raider point of view. I have no interest in making this thread or the other thread about who's spinning the truth, though, or I'd be in the "Try Defending" thread with the same attitude. Maybe let people read what we've got to say, and what you've got to say, and come to their own conclusions? Or are you afraid that people left to their own will think maybe raiding isn't so terrible once they've tried it.

[Belschaft]

You have to admit though that the 'But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?' section is a tad spun. Describing it as fun for all doesn't really apply to invaded natives now, does it? I'm sure they totally enjoy it.

Depends on the region. Some regions kind of enjoy it, after they get over the shock. I'm a pretty nice invader delegate, I don't pester the natives, I'm not a jerk, I join in (a little bit) on their RMB if I'm sticking around, and if the natives are also friendly, polite, and understanding, I say nice things about them when we leave.

If you're shocked by the spin, well, we're raiders, it's a fact of reality that the things we write are going to be written from the raider point of view. I have no interest in making this thread or the other thread about who's spinning the truth, though, or I'd be in the "Try Defending" thread with the same attitude. Maybe let people read what we've got to say, and what you've got to say, and come to their own conclusions? Or are you afraid that people left to their own will think maybe raiding isn't so terrible once they've tried it.

Hey, I never said raiding isn't fun

I certainly enjoyed back when I did as an NS noobie. I just think a distinction between fun for the raiders, and fun for the people who's region it is, needs to be made.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

I certainly enjoyed back when I did as an NS noobie. I just think a distinction between fun for the raiders, and fun for the people who's region it is, needs to be made.

The defenders have their thread, and we're not making unwanted intrusions to talk about whatever spin they might be spewing. I won't comment on their claims. Can we agree to let people make up their own minds? For once?

[Belschaft]

I certainly enjoyed back when I did as an NS noobie. I just think a distinction between fun for the raiders, and fun for the people who's region it is, needs to be made.

The defenders have their thread, and we're not making unwanted intrusions to talk about whatever spin they might be spewing. I won't comment on their claims. Can we agree to let people make up their own minds? For once?

Well, I can only speak for myself, but sure.

[Kshrlmnt]

My dearest Numero:

I can't pretend that Unknown hasn't done some rather questionable raids in the past; we have. We are also, I think, moving away from that style of raiding. I generally return a region's WFE and flag after the raid, and I've had several regions rather enjoy the liveliness that comes with us. My favorites are the region that posted an insanely long poem, and the WAD who TGed me thanking me for livening things up.

I will promise you one thing: no raid I lead will ever aim to destroy a region. My conscience wouldn't let me do that--as I've said, I raid for fun and not destruction.

Oh, and--Numero? If you're the one I've heard about, I suppose you'd know about things getting nasty....

[Klaus Devestatorie]

But doesn’t raiding hurt other regions?

In raiding, we do not destroy or harm other regions. We simply change the World Factbook Entry, the flag, and guard our target until we leave. Some groups even put back up the previous World Factbook Entry as they found it before they leave. After we leave, the region can remove bans that were placed, revive their flag, and continue on about their business. There’s no foul play here, just fun for all.

How did you work that one out? Lets take your own region, Unknown.

- The region was originally a neutral region until raiders from the Brotherhood of Blood raided, kicked out every single native nation over many months and moved the Brotherhood of Blood there as their main region. Completely destroyed the community that existed there before.

- They then raided other peaceful communities and destroyed the regions, taking them as trophy's to boast about how they raided and destroyed them, such as;

Mysteria (still kept as a trophy by an Unknown member)
The Shadowlands (still kept as a trophy by an Unknown member)
Prussia Reborn (still kept as a trophy)
San Francisco Chinatown (now taken back by their original region)
Sealand (now no longer a region)
The Federal Alliance of Nations (no longer a region)

- They attempted and failed to password and destroy the Imperial Empire.

- They passworded and attempted to destroy Michigan.

- Attempted to grief and destroy Sweden

- Attempted to destroy Free Thought alongside their allies

- Attempted to destroy/grief 404 Region Not Found

- Destroyed the region Time

Off the top of my head, theres plenty more examples from Unknown alone,let alone the countless innocent natives ejected and banned from their regions to satisfy your regions idea of fun.


Fun for all, I dont think so...

Mrow... lets see here.

Firstly, the entire point of the Brotherhood of Blood was for taking and refounding Unknown. No joke. When St Mason decided he didn't want to go along with that point anymore after it was taken, it got messy, because he was going against everything that Gerzam etc believed in.

Secondly; Unknown policy only dictates that regions are killed off if the natives are particularly horrible; we're talking spamming nation inboxes and the Unknown forums with insults etc and performing other offenses en masse that would be liable to getting them deleted, at which point we make the decision that the community that was in place is particularly vulgar and disgusting, and deserves the chop.

Prussia Reborn was an outright colony of Unknown with a forum and everything, until about 15 months ago when a member of the Aeazen Combine completely deleted the forum contents and pretty much killed the community from there.
Was not around for any of the other 5 raids which you claim resulted in refounds.

The Imperial Empire, I'm not sure on the reason for that.
Sweden was revenge.
Michigan, I don't know.
Free Thought wasn't a raid Unknown had much to do with, if our name was on the WFE it probably means a less active soldier or two were providing re-enforcements.
No idea about Time or 404RNF.

Innocent natives? You're either referring to the times regions were intentionally refounded, or you're pretending to be an innocent native.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

A raidathon? Sounds like fun.

Ooooooooooo...me likee the sound of that. Not so much all this "not harming regions" zero footprint crap, but ok.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

A raidathon? Sounds like fun.

Ooooooooooo...me likee the sound of that. Not so much all this "not harming regions" zero footprint crap, but ok.

Lmao, zero carbon emission raiding.

[Evil Wolf]

Does that mean Al Gore is a raider?

[Ballotonia]

A raidathon? Sounds like fun.

Ooooooooooo...me likee the sound of that. Not so much all this "not harming regions" zero footprint crap, but ok.

Now there's the honesty missing from the OP.

Ballotonia

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Ooooooooooo...me likee the sound of that. Not so much all this "not harming regions" zero footprint crap, but ok.

Now there's the honesty missing from the OP.

Ballotonia

Yea, God help you if if I ever find the time to start my own region.

Does that mean Al Gore is a raider?

No, but he appluads and supports our concern for the environment.

[Mike the Progressive]

What propaganda nonsense. Raiding isn't fun, it's destructive. It's inconsiderate and it's arrogance until your region is raided. Hell Unknown pr...ahem, *gentlemen* raided Islandia even while my nation was still alive.

Hope to see them all fall.

[Xeno Griff]

What propaganda nonsense. Raiding isn't fun, it's destructive. It's inconsiderate and it's arrogance until your region is raided. Hell Unknown pr...ahem, *gentlemen* raided Islandia even while my nation was still alive.

Hope to see them all fall.

Then you're also hoping to see defenders fall as well, because they essentially do the same thing as raiders.

[Disraeli-Gears]

What propaganda nonsense. Raiding isn't fun, it's destructive. It's inconsiderate and it's arrogance until your region is raided. Hell Unknown pr...ahem, *gentlemen* raided Islandia even while my nation was still alive.

Hope to see them all fall.

Then you're also hoping to see defenders fall as well, because they essentially do the same thing as raiders.

And that thing essentially is drinking beer all the time, whining about game changes and doing a lot of worthless banter.
Awesome

[Unibot II]

What propaganda nonsense. Raiding isn't fun, it's destructive. It's inconsiderate and it's arrogance until your region is raided. Hell Unknown pr...ahem, *gentlemen* raided Islandia even while my nation was still alive.

Hope to see them all fall.

Then you're also hoping to see defenders fall as well, because they essentially do the same thing as raiders.

.. except they stop raiders from doing what it is raiders are doing.

[Mike the Progressive]

What propaganda nonsense. Raiding isn't fun, it's destructive. It's inconsiderate and it's arrogance until your region is raided. Hell Unknown pr...ahem, *gentlemen* raided Islandia even while my nation was still alive.

Hope to see them all fall.

Then you're also hoping to see defenders fall as well, because they essentially do the same thing as raiders.

Hardly. Fenders at least act with good intentions. Look I won't lie, I use to raid too. And it was fun at the time, but it was because I ignored the whims of natives, I didn't really care. It was about my glory and my region's...But having gone on missions with TITO, having had my old region become founderless and my present one raided, I've become somewhat of a "convert." Regions aren't trophies, they are homes, they are cultures, they are societies constructed and built from the ground up for God knows how long it took. And in a split second they are destroyed, unfairly, immorally and unjustly.

It just isn't right.

[Kshrlmnt]

Then you're also hoping to see defenders fall as well, because they essentially do the same thing as raiders.

Hardly. Fenders at least act with good intentions. Look I won't lie, I use to raid too. And it was fun at the time, but it was because I ignored the whims of natives, I didn't really care. It was about my glory and my region's...But having gone on missions with TITO, having had my old region become founderless and my present one raided, I've become somewhat of a "convert." Regions aren't trophies, they are homes, they are cultures, they are societies constructed and built from the ground up for God knows how long it took. And in a split second they are destroyed, unfairly, immorally and unjustly.

It just isn't right.

What isn't right is a founder who leaves his region to die, then, when it's pointed out, kicks half the remaining natives.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Call me immoral, but I reckon at least half a dozen or maybe even a full dozen regions that I've previously been in have been raided, and occasionally outright refounded while I wasn't paying attention with my puppets.

[quote=Mike The Progressive]Regions aren't trophies, they are homes, they are cultures, they are societies constructed and built from the ground up for God knows how long it took. And in a split second they are destroyed, unfairly, immorally and unjustly. [/quote]

You're talking to people who know the first sentence quite well- if you can't figure that out within the first few months you never get big. But 99% of the time, the second sentence is false. The thing about refounding is that it requires resources that the serious raider groups simply aren't willing to waste most of the time, and if they are, then there's probably beef involved, and I think if you'll look back in TITO's history they know aaaaall about having beef with other regions...