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Quite obviously, you seem to constantly engage in it even when many of the others involved have stopped trying to pretend. TWP and Balder propped up LWU to coup and purge Lazarus. In one of the many posts on this topic, someone helpfully even pointed out the pilers from TWP.

Vadia wrote:Does anyone need this to still be explained to them? Like, if you are new, I get it, but I knew this was going since the first month.

Altinsane wrote:

Roavin wrote:Mechanically, Laz is still a Sinker, sure. But the NPO isn't wrong - de facto, there really isn't much left of Laz except LWU continuing to fuck it as hard as they can, bafflingly with the support of a fellow sinker (Balder) and a feeder (TWP).

If Lazarus doesn't mechanically function as a Warzone, I think it could only be accurately called a "de facto Warzone" if someone were waging war on it. Is this what TSP is suggesting here? Should those regions standing behind Lazarus be concerned about any action that you might take against them as well? How far do you intend to get involved in the internal politics of the rest of us?

I don't think War is what you want. You'd like to have Lazarus' delegacy in your own hands or the hands of people that you can trust to agree with you, and you'd like to keep pushing at Lazarus until it either gives up or you get bored. But you don't want War. NPO's assuming that they are somehow superior on NS to the extent that they can define the existence of another GCR was a good giggle, but it was an insult to their own ideology and to GCRs as a whole. NPO's opinions on or desires for a region do not supersede it's eternal status. Lazarus may only become a Warzone if War is taken to it - in which case, I suppose we all better buckle down.

Roavin wrote:Take off the pink-colored glasses of fundamentalist Delegate Supremacy, and look at what you have in Lazarus. There is a war there, initiated by LWU using, essentially, sleeper tactics to get into power.

Killer Kitty wrote:

Roavin wrote:Take off the pink-colored glasses of fundamentalist Delegate Supremacy, and look at what you have in Lazarus. There is a war there, initiated by LWU using, essentially, sleeper tactics to get into power.

Uh...

Killer Kitty - Lazarus citizen since 2005 - Lazarus Delegate 4 times
Funkadelia - Lazarus citizen since 2013 - Lazarus Delegate 2 times
Aleister - Lazarus citizen since 2016 - Lazarus Delegate 1 time

All of us have held multiple positions in various Lazarus governments, in my case spanning over a decade+. Roavin is quite seriously stating that "raiders can't be natives, no matter what". I don't think I can find a clearer example a Defender trying to stomp out the right of self-determination of natives and raiders alike. You're in a region and you and your fellow government friends want to turn it raider? You were never a native, you're a "long term sleeper".

This is exactly the sort of the Defenderist double-think what the Wolfist Manifesto warns people about.

Killer Kitty wrote:

Roavin wrote:Take off the pink-colored glasses of fundamentalist Delegate Supremacy, and look at what you have in Lazarus. There is a war there, initiated by LWU using, essentially, sleeper tactics to get into power.

Uh...

Killer Kitty - Lazarus citizen since 2005 - Lazarus Delegate 4 times
Funkadelia - Lazarus citizen since 2013 - Lazarus Delegate 2 times
Aleister - Lazarus citizen since 2016 - Lazarus Delegate 1 time

All of us have held multiple positions in various Lazarus governments, in my case spanning over a decade+. Roavin is quite seriously stating that "raiders can't be natives, no matter what". I don't think I can find a clearer example a Defender trying to stomp out the right of self-determination of natives and raiders alike. You're in a region and you and your fellow government friends want to turn it raider? You were never a native, you're a "long term sleeper".

This is exactly the sort of the Defenderist double-think what the Wolfist Manifesto warns people about.

Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

Actually, let me save you the trouble - You can't. Don't put words in my mouth. I could care less if you're raiders, defenders, reverse presbyterian goat-cheese aficionados, gay, straight, libertarian, republican, communist, christian, buddhist, NatSov, IntFed, or anything else. You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda. If Vinny did the same in the name of TGW, I'd complain just as much.

Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

Roavin wrote:You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda.

Killer Kitty wrote:

Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

You claimed that those in control of the Khanate of Lazarus are long term sleepers, "essentially". The implication of that thought process is very telling indeed.

Roavin wrote:You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda.

Funny...I don't remember Lone Wolves United ever calming to have taken Lazarus. Did I miss a dispatch or an article? Would you please point out where you're getting your information from?

Killer Kitty wrote:

Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

You claimed that those in control of the Khanate of Lazarus are long term sleepers, "essentially". The implication of that thought process is very telling indeed.

Roavin wrote:You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda.

Funny...I don't remember Lone Wolves United ever calming to have taken Lazarus. Did I miss a dispatch or an article? Would you please point out where you're getting your information from?

Old Hope wrote:

Killer Kitty wrote:
You claimed that those in control of the Khanate of Lazarus are long term sleepers, "essentially". The implication of that thought process is very telling indeed.



Funny...I don't remember Lone Wolves United ever calming to have taken Lazarus. Did I miss a dispatch or an article? Would you please point out where you're getting your information from?

I am sure that your WFE at one time stated "Lazarus Wolves United". You have changed it since then but the connection is obvious.

Indo-Malaysia wrote:You must have missed the bit where three LWU sleepers couped the native government

Killer Kitty wrote:

Indo-Malaysia wrote:You must have missed the bit where three LWU sleepers couped the native government

Calling long time native raiders "sleepers" doesn't make you sound clever, it just makes you sound like believe that no raider can be a native of any region. Proving Wolfism right, yet again.

A lot of this seems like the same propaganda we heard in July from Ike, Llama, and Ark's coup faction, just kicked up a notch.

Lone Wolves United has never claimed to have taken over Lazarus, Lazarus has not "fallen" to our long time allies in LWU, and Defenders continue to expose their true intentions through their clumsy dishonesty and proof-less lies.

The NAtion OF Froggy wrote:

Killer Kitty wrote:
Calling long time native raiders "sleepers" doesn't make you sound clever, it just makes you sound like believe that no raider can be a native of any region. Proving Wolfism right, yet again.

A lot of this seems like the same propaganda we heard in July from Ike, Llama, and Ark's coup faction, just kicked up a notch.

Lone Wolves United has never claimed to have taken over Lazarus, Lazarus has not "fallen" to our long time allies in LWU, and Defenders continue to expose their true intentions through their clumsy dishonesty and proof-less lies.

what are you thoughts on endorsing known TEP and TWP puppets?

The NAtion OF Froggy wrote:what are you thoughts on endorsing known TEP and TWP puppets?

Killer Kitty wrote:

Indo-Malaysia wrote:You must have missed the bit where three LWU sleepers couped the native government

Calling long time native raiders "sleepers" doesn't make you sound clever, it just makes you sound like believe that no raider can be a native of any region. Proving Wolfism right, yet again.

A lot of this seems like the same propaganda we heard in July from Ike, Llama, and Ark's coup faction, just kicked up a notch.

Lone Wolves United has never claimed to have taken over Lazarus, Lazarus has not "fallen" to our long time allies in LWU, and Defenders continue to expose their true intentions through their clumsy dishonesty and proof-less lies.

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Still the 'LWU has done nothing' rhetoric?

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Your WFE literally said Lazarus Wolves United

Indo-Malaysia wrote:this Wolfism crap wasn't named that out of the blue was it?

Killer Kitty wrote:-snip-

The Church of Satan wrote:

Killer Kitty wrote:-snip-

The LWU flag is still flying over Lazarus so pardon everyone for the common sense, lol.

The Church of Satan wrote:

Killer Kitty wrote:-snip-

The LWU flag is still flying over Lazarus so pardon everyone for the common sense, lol.

Delescluze wrote:

The Church of Satan wrote:The LWU flag is still flying over Lazarus so pardon everyone for the common sense, lol.

No, it’s not.