The Congress of Sovereigns

[Onderkelkia]

There was I assuming from King Alexander's initial post that KGB considered itself "above" engaging in this discussion.

The Congress of Sovereigns from day one was an organization built to prop a dead LKE up.

The idea that the CoS was created to "prop a dead LKE up" is absurd. In the month when the CoS was created, the LKE forums had nearly 2,000 posts: now there are indeed some regions which can boast much higher levels, but around 65 posts per day is not "dead" by any means. It's more than reasonable.

In any case, how exactly would founding CoS have injected life into a "dead" region? CoS is a multilateral alliance; not an activity initiative. The purposes of creating the CoS were external, not internal. What's more, while the LKE clearly benefited from refocusing its foreign affairs, the other regions had the opportunity to benefit from being drawn into world affairs to a greater extent than they were previously. The potential benefits were mutual.

If you did not believe that at the time, you should not have entered into it, but no one deceived you as to its purpose.

Yes, KGB conducted a raid and LKE provided 3 pliers of the operation the fussed about it going on too long.

You are referring KGB's invasion of The Eternal Realm. There were actually five LKE units in that operation, not three. Of course, even this figure was not our highest turnout in the life of the CoS (at one point we had over 20 units deployed), but we did not anticipate the need to increase deployment levels as our strong advice, based on our extensive experience of military occupations, was that the operation should be brought to a close as quickly as possible.

The reason we wanted the operation to be brought to a close was because the number of endorsements (partly due to other ongoing operations involving our partners and the lack of pre-planning to arrange other allies to support) was extremely low, making it very vulnerable to a 'defender' liberation.

The Eternal Realm was far from the only operation where forces from different CoS regions were deployed in the same mission

There is no intelligence sharing, no joint military ops, not even talks of cultural endeavors.

Unlike the United Imperial Armed Forces, which was a military union, CoS was not meant to necessarily facilitate joint military operations more than any other type of alliance. The purpose was long-term growth in diplomatic soft power. CoS might not have offered tangible benefits, but it was meaningful.

When asked about how he knew this, he indicated this fact came up as part of a joint conversation with members from TEP, Osiris and Albion.

Why, pray tell, are you dragging our name through your little squabble?

As the statement makes quite clear, George Hanover VI indicated that citizens from TEP (not necessarily the government) were present in the conversation in which he alleges it was stated that Albion had used the LKE's World Assembly Delegate to gather intelligence on LKE. The specific reason why this evidence is recounted is to question the credibility of George Hanover VI's claims, given the unlikelihood of such a disclosure in that setting.

No criticism of TEP is in any sense implied from referring to the fact that George Hanover VI said its members were present when it was alleged Albion spied on LKE. That is just a factual account of what was stated. We doubt the account is true and, even if so, why then would TEP be responsible?

People mention regions in passing all the time without criticising them. There is no reason for offence to be taken.

There is no reason why it would be wrong for TEP members to be in that conversation. An off-hand-reference to TEP is not intended as a criticism.

There are a great many things I question about this statement as well. He questioned my involvement with this and I told him that I was speaking with friends on NS. He inquired who, I refused to give up names but I told him I have friends all over NS and said that generally I keep to friends with regions I know and I listed the regions that I have friends in as he wanted so badly to know. Now I realize why he wanted to know and just how quickly words can be turned around to fit his purpose.

The reason for enquiring about this conversation was to investigate your claim that the LKE World Assembly Delegate had been an Albion spy.

You said this was revealed by Albion members in this conversation.

Surely knowing the identities of these people is therefore crucial to confirming or denying the veracity of the claims?

TEP should have never even been involved in this. He told me saying I have friends in a couple sinker and feeders that I talk to and trust with everything as TEP being involved which is not at all the case. the implication of KGB is one thing but Onder crossed a line by pulling other regions in to this mess. This matter is a Congress of Sovereigns matter and should have never extended beyond that.

Onder's need to pull everything ever said in to a statement bashing a region that left in near total silence because of his butt hurt is why TEP is involved. I however apologize to TEP and everyone else for this becoming an issue, I will take the blame and I will tell you up front that the context in which the statement was made is not at all the context in which I spoke on skype. If there is anything I can do, please do not hesitate to inform me.

You stated the conversation with people from TEP, Albion and Osiris; that is what the statement reports.

It is no reflection on those regions. No one has suggested that they acted improperly. I quite honestly fail to see the issue here.

But not the Emperor of The LKE, who actually named TEP, without providing any evidence or context for his claims that the King of KGB named "members from TEP"?

His precise statmene was that "Not with Zack. It was with myself and a couple of friends I have in Ablion along with some people from KGB, TEP, and Osiris", in answer to my question about whether the conversation, where he learnt what he claims he did, was with the World Assembly Delegate himself.

There was no claim that he "named" members from TEP; the statement merely said that he indicated that individuals in TEP were present. People from all sorts of regions are present in all sorts of conversations all the time. No one is suggesting that any of this involves impropriety on their part.

Why would any of this need elaboration? The simple point is that is the setting in which the KGB King claims that the conversation took place. Whether or not is true is another matter, and the statement indicates not, but either way, TEP as a region is not involved and no one suggested that it was.

[Tim-Opolis]

From the Office of the Arch-Chancellor

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Good Evening,

It is on this fateful evening that the Founderless Regions Alliance has determined to announce a conclusion to Operation Oatmeal Raisin Cookie. We consider this operation, sanctioned when we decided that it would be worth it to risk it for a biscuit, to have been a widely successful endeavor for both the Founderless Regions Alliance and for all of our allies. However, given that we simply "could not even" anymore, we decided that the operation needed to be concluded.

We would like to fully claim responsibility for the collapse of the Congress of Sovereigns. While our great friends in Belltower have been bravely representing The Congress of Sovereigns for some time now, we have decided to go after the Sarif Industries of our universe and bring down this alliance. While we must applaud the efforts of Imperialism to nobly try to ensure this alliance, to put it simply, the game was rigged from the start.

I would therefore like to thank King-Emperor George Augustus Frederick Hanover VI, for being an absolutely essential operative to our efforts here. To elaborate, The FRA would like to thank our operative George Hanover for his valorous actions, however we cannot continue this ruse anymore. We've always known him by the name SpritelySpelunker, a native of New Sorvun, of course, but that name has not been conventionally used for a long time now; so thorough was our agent's cover.

We would like to thank The Kingdom of Great Britain as well, for acting as the last bit of life support for The Land of Kings and Emperors, until they could fully fade into irrelevancy to the point that their "great alliance" is not with regions such as Albion, but with British Isles and United Kingdoms, regions that have essentially sold out their souls to the misguided farce that is the Imperialism ideology.

The Founderless Regions Alliance hopes that this revelation ensures to regions across Nationstates the importance of getting one's Imperialism Shot so as not to fall under its sickness, symptoms of which include utter stagnancy, a slump into totalitarianism, and the compulsion to spread out to other regions because yours has been too ruined by the Imper-Virus already.

Regards,
Tim Stark
FRA Arch-Chancellor,Viscount of Ginnungagap, Part-Time Radio Host
Unholy King of Festivus, and Sovereign of Asgardian Lands Within the Bifrost

[Todd McCloud]

It should have been blatantly obvious that we weren't overly interested in diplomacy when I came into the thread demanding answers in an utterly undiplomatic way.

If you're going to get involved in diplomatic disputes between two regions just because yours was mentioned in passing...

Well, at least we were mentioned. There are people who roll in these disputes and go back for seconds with disputes that don't even mention them at all. Hey!

In all seriousness, eh.

[Arujan]

I am very disappointed that the individual in charge of the Congress of Sovereigns account is attempting to drag the British Isles through this unprofessionalism and interregional farce. His Majesty's Government and King Daniel I were NEVER properly consulted on any matter in this statement released, including repealing the Treaty and the situation with the Kingdom of Great Britain. I also find it hard to believe that the United Kingdom was also consulted on the statement and other matters.

Personally, I do not believe that the Kingdom of Great Britain left the CoS solely because of our domestic issues with activity. Contrary to the Treaty that established the Congress of Sovereigns, there were hardly to none military operations or interregional events conducted between each Signatory. In addition to BI's activity issues, the United Kingdom is also having activity issues and has disbanded their military creating a militia acording to my sources.

I personally stand by the Kingdom of Great Britain and their King, and I am very disappointed in the LKE's leader for pulling this publicity stunt through the CoS account.

~ Regards,
The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont
Prime Minister of the British Isles

[Todd McCloud]

It is on this fateful evening that the Founderless Regions Alliance has determined to announce a conclusion to Operation Oatmeal Raisin Cookie. We consider this operation, sanctioned when we decided that it would be worth it to risk it for a biscuit, to have been a widely successful endeavor for both the Founderless Regions Alliance and for all of our allies. However, given that we simply "could not even" anymore, we decided that the operation needed to be concluded.

Do not fire the guy who comes up with the names to your operations. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that at least one of you could even.

[Onderkelkia]

His Majesty's Government and King Daniel I were NEVER properly consulted on any matter in this statement released, including repealing the Treaty and the situation with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

King Daniel I personally approved the release of the statement and indeed was involved with drafting it.

[Cormac Stark]

But not the Emperor of The LKE, who actually named TEP, without providing any evidence or context for his claims that the King of KGB named "members from TEP"?

His precise statmene was that "Not with Zack. It was with myself and a couple of friends I have in Ablion along with some people from KGB, TEP, and Osiris", in answer to my question about whether the conversation, where he learnt what he claims he did, was with the World Assembly Delegate himself.

There was no claim that he "named" members from TEP; the statement merely said that he indicated that individuals in TEP were present. People from all sorts of regions are present in all sorts of conversations all the time. No one is suggesting that any of this involves impropriety on their part.

Why would any of this need elaboration? The simple point is that is the setting in which the KGB King claims that the conversation took place. Whether or not is true is another matter, and the statement indicates not, but either way, TEP as a region is not involved and no one suggested that it was.

Or wasn't involved, at least, until their Delegate and Minister of Foreign Affairs opted to involve themselves because their region was mentioned in passing. Thank you for at least confirming that the statement from TEP was laughably unnecessary and exactly what I thought it was.

Please proceed with further wrecking the imperialist sphere and the imminent implosion of the entire Congress of Sovereigns, don't let me distract you.

[King Alexander]

Onder, your outright denial of the fact that the LKE is close to death is beyond me. Try writing a Foreign Update for you, we lie about elections because its been months since there was actually enough of a turn out to actually have an election. Its also quite comical that you push so hard for the electoral process that you stoop to lying about the process.

I get it, you're extremely prideful and and you want to go down with your sinking ship but the truth is, if you would just leave, the LKE would actually stand a chance. You, Onder, are the one killing the LKE with your attitude towards the vast majority of NationStates.

Onder, if I had proof, you would have had it by now. It was a topic that came up in an OOC discussion that you really have no business knowing. Weather fact or not, it was mentioned. I however would be more of the belief that you have spies elsewhere and I am positive you've been given intelligence on KGB simply because you approach me about things no one but my inner council knows. Its totally comical that you have a "network of spies" in KGB and if you are willing to spy on KGB, I am positive you spy elsewhere

On another note though, you should have a good evening. Attempting to turn my words around and fire them against me is the best laugh I have had all week long.

[King Alexander]

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From the Office of the Arch-Chancellor

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Good Evening,

It is on this fateful evening that the Founderless Regions Alliance has determined to announce a conclusion to Operation Oatmeal Raisin Cookie. We consider this operation, sanctioned when we decided that it would be worth it to risk it for a biscuit, to have been a widely successful endeavor for both the Founderless Regions Alliance and for all of our allies. However, given that we simply "could not even" anymore, we decided that the operation needed to be concluded.

We would like to fully claim responsibility for the collapse of the Congress of Sovereigns. While our great friends in Belltower have been bravely representing The Congress of Sovereigns for some time now, we have decided to go after the Sarif Industries of our universe and bring down this alliance. While we must applaud the efforts of Imperialism to nobly try to ensure this alliance, to put it simply, the game was rigged from the start.

I would therefore like to thank King-Emperor George Augustus Frederick Hanover VI, for being an absolutely essential operative to our efforts here. To elaborate, The FRA would like to thank our operative George Hanover for his valorous actions, however we cannot continue this ruse anymore. We've always known him by the name SpritelySpelunker, a native of New Sorvun, of course, but that name has not been conventionally used for a long time now; so thorough was our agent's cover.

We would like to thank The Kingdom of Great Britain as well, for acting as the last bit of life support for The Land of Kings and Emperors, until they could fully fade into irrelevancy to the point that their "great alliance" is not with regions such as Albion, but with British Isles and United Kingdoms, regions that have essentially sold out their souls to the misguided farce that is the Imperialism ideology.

The Founderless Regions Alliance hopes that this revelation ensures to regions across Nationstates the importance of getting one's Imperialism Shot so as not to fall under its sickness, symptoms of which include utter stagnancy, a slump into totalitarianism, and the compulsion to spread out to other regions because yours has been too ruined by the Imper-Virus already.

Regards,
Tim Stark
FRA Arch-Chancellor,Viscount of Ginnungagap, Part-Time Radio Host
Unholy King of Festivus, and Sovereign of Asgardian Lands Within the Bifrost

Well, I'm outed now..... It was fun but I'm glad it ended.

[John II]

Hey Onder,

Can you prove that Daniel was involved? Because I know Daniel pretty well. He and I have gotten close over the 3+ years in BI and the 2 terms I was PM for him there. I know that he'd never agree to a statement like this without consulting Henry, who is on the books as PM of BI, Richard, who is on the books as Foreign Minister, or me, as I happen to have the founder nation of BI.

So, unless you're going to provide screencaps of Skype conversations, not pastebin logs, screencaps, that you and Daniel discussed this, I'm going to ask that you get BI's name out of your mouth. BI has been my life for three years, and it's going through a really rough time right now. Unless you can back up your claims with proof, you really shouldn't talk unilaterally.

John II Norfolk
Prince Emeritus of the British Isles

[Arujan]

His Majesty's Government and King Daniel I were NEVER properly consulted on any matter in this statement released, including repealing the Treaty and the situation with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

King Daniel I personally approved the release of the statement and indeed was involved with drafting it.

You know bloody well that you did not consult him. Unless you can provide a screenshot of your conversation with King Daniel, your claims are invalid and malicious. Keep the British Isles out of this farce. We may have our issues, but we are still above this shameful foolishness and childish behaviour that is churning.

[Eye of Horus]

While there are bad feelings floating around, we must still remember one thing. This one thing is that we're on the same side, and there's no point fighting among ourselves as our weaker enemies stand at the sideline and laugh. Compromise, make amends, talk it over, whatever; I'd be more than happy to serve as the mediator.

There is strength in unity.

[John II]

Hello Onder,

I would first like to apologize for my tone. It appears as though His Majesty the King did in fact agree to this statement. I know this because Onder sent me screenshots proving it after I asked him on Skype. He did not consult with me or the remaining government of British Isles, but that is no real surprise as my activity has gone down in recent days. I am wrong, and am totally shocked by what has happened.

John II Norfolk
Prince Emeritus of the British Isles.

[Kentenia]

Onder, your outright denial of the fact that the LKE is close to death is beyond me. Try writing a Foreign Update for you, we lie about elections because its been months since there was actually enough of a turn out to actually have an election. Its also quite comical that you push so hard for the electoral process that you stoop to lying about the process.

I agree with this statement. Having written several of the LKE's foreign updates as Deputy Prime Minister due to the lack of activity within the government, the LKE is in fact dying. On several occasions we have had to call upon outside help to fill government positions. I personally, have had to edit updates to cover up election processing's and the fact that the region is nearly dead.

Its pitiful that Onder would deny the obvious.

On a separate note yet equal note, I appreciate The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont's (Prime Minister of the British Isles) statement<3 I find it rather interesting that BI was be able to approve that statement all within a matter of hours given the region having 3 active topics, two of which being spam and a cit app...

[Arujan]

I've just been told that King Daniel was notified of the statement. I do apologise to Onder for the things I said relevant to my disbelief in the notification to Daniel, for I was not told at the time as a matter of miscommunication. Either way, we remain behind the Kingdom of Great Britain.

[Onderkelkia]

Onder, your outright denial of the fact that the LKE is close to death is beyond me.

No objective analyst of the LKE would compare it to "death" or anything remotely close to it.

A cursory examination of the forum statistics would show otherwise.

Rather than addressing the substantive concerns raised, you are opting to indulge in general abuse towards the LKE.

Try writing a Foreign Update for you, we lie about elections because its been months since there was actually enough of a turn out to actually have an election. Its also quite comical that you push so hard for the electoral process that you stoop to lying about the process.

This is completely untrue. We carefully frame our foreign updates to present our region positively, but there are no deceptions.

If you wish to highlight an update where there was a lie, then please say so.

Onder, if I had proof, you would have had it by now. It was a topic that came up in an OOC discussion that you really have no business knowing. Weather fact or not, it was mentioned.

If another region spying on the LKE was mentioned, then we have every reason to know about the details pertaining to that issue, i.e. who said it.

Indeed, if the confidentiality of the conversation was so important, then you should not have released the allegation so that the World Assembly Delegate's alleged "connections to Albion" became a raging controversy in the LKE, contributing to a challenge mounted for the World Assembly Delegacy.

I however would be more of the belief that you have spies elsewhere and I am positive you've been given intelligence on KGB simply because you approach me about things no one but my inner council knows.

The only details I have approached you about have been those stemming from the conversation with the Queen of KGB where this was disclosed.

On the occasion, I merely asked questions about LKE issues, following which she gave information (apparently discussed in KGB Privy Council) in reply.

On a separate note yet equal note, I appreciate The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont's (Prime Minister of the British Isles) statement<3 I find it rather interesting that BI was be able to approve that statement all within a matter of hours given the region having 3 active topics, two of which being spam and a cit app...

The statement was composed and released with the involvement of British Isles through its monarch.

If there are internal disagreements relating to that, they should be aired elsewhere I think.

[Cephal Talleyrand]

Onder, your outright denial of the fact that the LKE is close to death is beyond me. Try writing a Foreign Update for you, we lie about elections because its been months since there was actually enough of a turn out to actually have an election. Its also quite comical that you push so hard for the electoral process that you stoop to lying about the process.

I conquered with this statement. Having written several of the LKE's foreign updates as Deputy Prime Minister due to the lack of activity within the government, the LKE is in fact dying. On several occasions we have had to call upon outside help to fill government positions. I personally, have had to edit updates to cover up election processing's and the fact that the region is nearly dead.

Its pitiful that Onder would deny the obvious.

On a separate note yet equal note, I appreciate The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont's (Prime Minister of the British Isles) statement<3 I find it rather interesting that BI was be able to approve that statement all within a matter of hours given the region having 3 active topics, two of which being spam and a cit app...

I would have to disagree with the viewpoint that the LKE is dead. Currently the LKE has been able to staff a government in short order under the leadership of Nick Powell within a couple of days after our internal politics were disrupted. Our military has been abroad lately and we still have a good number of posts daily on our regional forum.

Our region did indeed take a hit after the whole recruitment ban arising from the actions of Bob Moran but we are not dead.

[Arujan]

On a separate note yet equal note, I appreciate The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont's (Prime Minister of the British Isles) statement<3 I find it rather interesting that BI was be able to approve that statement all within a matter of hours given the region having 3 active topics, two of which being spam and a cit app...

The statement was composed and released with the involvement of British Isles through its monarch.

If there are internal disagreements relating to that, they should be aired elsewhere I think.[/quote]

The government who directly spearheads the regional foreign policy was not involved in any part due to the lack of notification related to it, so please stop implicating the region as a whole but rather the monarch, who (like myself with the quick judgement) mismanaged this. Again, keep us out from further involvement with this

[Cormac Stark]

So does the King of British Isles really have any power to agree, on behalf of the region, to foreign affairs statements? If not, Onder has still released this statement claiming it to be partially on behalf of British Isles, when in fact that may not legally be the case.

We need a popcorn emoticon.

[Kentenia]

I conquered with this statement. Having written several of the LKE's foreign updates as Deputy Prime Minister due to the lack of activity within the government, the LKE is in fact dying. On several occasions we have had to call upon outside help to fill government positions. I personally, have had to edit updates to cover up election processing's and the fact that the region is nearly dead.

Its pitiful that Onder would deny the obvious.

On a separate note yet equal note, I appreciate The Rt. Honourable Henry Beamont's (Prime Minister of the British Isles) statement<3 I find it rather interesting that BI was be able to approve that statement all within a matter of hours given the region having 3 active topics, two of which being spam and a cit app...

I would have to disagree with the viewpoint that the LKE is dead. Currently the LKE has been able to staff a government in short order under the leadership of Nick Powell within a couple of days after our internal politics were disrupted. Our military has been abroad lately and we still have a good number of posts daily on our regional forum.

Our region did indeed take a hit after the whole recruitment ban arising from the actions of Bob Moran but we are not dead.

90% of the LKE's forum posts are related to spam games >_> which mind you is a direct product of the work I did over the 7months I was active in the region. Regardless of my efforts, that is nothing to brag about through "forum statistics" or daily post counts.

FYI, this is not "general abuse of the LKE" this is stating a fact--are you forgetting that only recently I left the region after both the Prime Minister and DPM quit within a week of being appointed?


As to claims of me releasing State Secrets posted in the Privy Council, I had the proper clearance and permission to do so thank you very much.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Is the loss of one member, and some brief squabbling between BI and Onder (now resolved) really a "collapse," Tim?

The Eternal Realm was far from the only operation where forces from different CoS regions were deployed in the same mission

Militarily, at least, I've found LKE far from dead.

In TBR, I had 17 nations check in from LKE, plus an uncounted number of flags flown without checking in.

BI was represented three times (checked in).

KGB sent 6 (checked in)

and Albion, for reference, had 14 check in (plus a number of flagged but un-checked reps maybe one or two greater than those flying a UIAF flag).

That's 3 more checking in for LKE than Albion (the two non-raider friends we contacted prior to blowing cover, also, note, none of this is intended to put down Albion in any way), and, for the record, the LKE had probably the lowest organizational CTE rate there besides TBH itself. The percentage of forces LKE made up increased over time as others CTE'd or left, the few that had to go elsewhere notified me, and pilers I needed to contact who listed names of contact that were not nations were contacted via Onder in a very timely manner. When the withdrawal was issued, most all remaining forces left promptly. If my dates are correct, this was also at a time the recruitment ban was still under effect - the point being, these were not new members being thrown in as pilers, but actual, consistent members.

I was nothing but pleased by LKE representation in TBR.

[Onderkelkia]

90% of the LKE's forum posts are related to spam games >_> which mind you is a direct product of the work I did over the 7months I was active in the region. Regardless of my efforts, that is nothing to brag about through "forum statistics" or daily post counts.

A proportion does come from spam (as well as government activity); I would not put it as high as 90%. Many regions involve a lot of spam games.

Regardless, many have contributed, and in the last few months, I am happy to acknowledge that you were indeed one of the main contributors.

FYI, this is not "general abuse of the LKE"

I am afraid that when a thread about the CoS is turned into people just throwing unrelated insults at the LKE, it is indeed "general abuse of the LKE".

this is stating a fact--are you forgetting that only recently I left the region after both the Prime Minister and DPM quit within a week of being appointed?

The Prime Minister quit within eleven days being elected, and that was closely related to the incidents discussed, not due to a general malaise. The Deputy Prime Minister resigned as they were not expecting the Prime Minister to stand down and so were unprepared to the post; they were also ill in real life.

The Speaker of the Estates Common promptly took over and has the Government more than up and running.

As to claims of me releasing State Secrets posted in the Privy Council, I had the proper clearance and permission to do so thank you very much.

I made no comment on the propriety of you providing answers to me based on information about LKE you learnt from KGB discussions.

My point was that George Hanover VI suggested that, from my knowledge of these matters, we were spying on KGB, when that was not the case.

[Cormac Stark]

Is the loss of one member, and some brief squabbling between BI and Onder (now resolved) really a "collapse," Tim?

I wouldn't say the "squabbling" has been resolved. The only thing we now know is that the King of British Isles did sign the Congress of Sovereigns statement, but we still don't know if he even had the legal authority to make foreign affairs decisions -- at least one official from British Isles has suggested that he didn't -- and it's quite clear that the government of British Isles was not happy with the statement and supports The Kingdom of Great Britain.

I would be very surprised to see this organization endure until next week, and all because Onder couldn't be satisfied with The Kingdom of Great Britain's quiet and low-key exit from the Congress. Onder's burning desire to be right is increasingly undermining his almost equally burning desire to be powerful.

[Tancerlo]

Well, this is quite the drama.

Albion, for reference, had 14 check in (plus a number of flagged but un-checked reps maybe one or two greater than those flying a UIAF flag)

About half of our members dislike having to "check in", we also don't often enforce it given our commanders can recognise all their nations by name. A fair number of senior RAL members, myself included, also declined to deploy, for personal reasons (read: no interest at all in a completely pointless long term operation in the abandoned home of a by then non-existent raiding organisation). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No offence.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Well, this is quite the drama.

Albion, for reference, had 14 check in (plus a number of flagged but un-checked reps maybe one or two greater than those flying a UIAF flag)

About half of our members dislike having to "check in", we also don't often enforce it given our commanders can recognise all their nations by name. A fair number of senior RAL members, myself included, also declined to deploy, for personal reasons (read: no interest at all in a completely pointless long term operation in the abandoned home of a by then non-existent raiding organisation). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No offence.

None taken My numbers reflect those who checked in, which is stated, and my best memories on those flagged, also stated. I can't speak for where the inevitable bunch neither flagged nor checked has come from. The point of the comparison in this case was that, at least in the military sense, at the last data point I personally have, LKE deployment levels were at least on par with Albions (deemed in this thread to be more active, by some), and above those of the regions supposedly propping it up (though that's an unfair comparison, as they were not contacted for support beforehand). Like Onder's forum post per day numbers, I find deployment counts to be more objective, empirical evidence than vague accusations.

TBH respects Albion's newer directions, and is happy for whatever help you're willing to offer We also understand the varying viewpoints on the operation, though I myself will always say that, after spending the time and effort to have some fun and make RaiderCon awesome (and building influence while at it), to do anything other than take another handful of weeks to close it up for good would have been folly. But there's no requirement for others to feel the same way