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Nova Vandalia wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
those who seek accountability are really just trying to control your region!

I don't think being lecture on accountability by someone from Lily, is really necessary. You lot are the least accountable region because some how you lot got both sides of R/D to trust you while y'all hand information to each side. XD If we should have anyone accountable it should be wishy washy folx like y'all.

Source?

Honeydewistania wrote:

Nova Vandalia wrote:
I don't think being lecture on accountability by someone from Lily, is really necessary. You lot are the least accountable region because some how you lot got both sides of R/D to trust you while y'all hand information to each side. XD If we should have anyone accountable it should be wishy washy folx like y'all.

Source?

I mean you've proven in the other threads about this all I need to do is say is "XKI" told me and it's enough to stop any questions from you. "So XKI told me?"

Nova Vandalia wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
those who seek accountability are really just trying to control your region!

I don't think being lecture on accountability by someone from Lily, is really necessary. You lot are the least accountable region because some how you lot got both sides of R/D to trust you while y'all hand information to each side. XD If we should have anyone accountable it should be wishy washy folx like y'all.

what the actual fuck are you on about?

Nova Vandalia wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
those who seek accountability are really just trying to control your region!

I don't think being lecture on accountability by someone from Lily, is really necessary. You lot are the least accountable region because some how you lot got both sides of R/D to trust you while y'all hand information to each side. XD If we should have anyone accountable it should be wishy washy folx like y'all.

It’s called “being independent”

And I don’t see any more accountability from defender regions.

Nova Vandalia wrote:

Honeydewistania wrote:
Source?

I mean you've proven in the other threads about this all I need to do is say is "XKI" told me and it's enough to stop any questions from you. "So XKI told me?"

Ah, you don’t have any justification for your bullshit, so you create an untrue "stance" I have supposedly taken and attack that. As I’m not thick, my questions won’t stop. What is your source?

Honeydewistania wrote:

Nova Vandalia wrote:
I mean you've proven in the other threads about this all I need to do is say is "XKI" told me and it's enough to stop any questions from you. "So XKI told me?"

Ah, you don’t have any justification for your bullshit, so you create an untrue "stance" I have supposedly taken and attack that. As I’m not thick, my questions won’t stop. What is your source?

Woah Language. Also not really the thread for this discussion.

Comfed wrote:And I don’t see any more accountability from defender regions.

Full agreement there.

Nova Vandalia wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
those who seek accountability are really just trying to control your region!

I don't think being lecture on accountability by someone from Lily, is really necessary. You lot are the least accountable region because some how you lot got both sides of R/D to trust you while y'all hand information to each side. XD If we should have anyone accountable it should be wishy washy folx like y'all.

Who are you?

Comfed wrote:
And I don’t see any more accountability from defender regions.

Whataboutism.

Astrobolt wrote:

Comfed wrote:
And I don’t see any more accountability from defender regions.

Whataboutism.

Not wrong though - why is THX still a minister in XKI after what he did? Where's the accountability, the taking responsibility from XKI for his actions?

Telling defenders to have more accountability... yeah, I don't think raider opinions of this person or that are going to accomplish much in that department. And likewise for the inverse. Not quite Alex Jones tinfoil hat level "oh no they're trying to control you!" that I cba to quote from this thread, but like, what are you really expecting to achieve? A feeling of superiority? A little more height on your horse? I don't think so. And raiding doesn't lend itself to high horses too well anyway. Accountability comes from within a faction, not from its enemies.

Astrobolt wrote:

Comfed wrote:
And I don’t see any more accountability from defender regions.

Whataboutism.

Just pointing out hypocrisy on the part of defenders.

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:Telling defenders to have more accountability... yeah, I don't think raider opinions of this person or that are going to accomplish much in that department. And likewise for the inverse. Not quite Alex Jones tinfoil hat level "oh no they're trying to control you!" that I cba to quote from this thread, but like, what are you really expecting to achieve? A feeling of superiority? A little more height on your horse? I don't think so. And raiding doesn't lend itself to high horses too well anyway. Accountability comes from within a faction, not from its enemies.

bro do u have something against alex jones level conspiracies and short horses?

i just don't understand how lukewarm 'criticism' of TBH - that they should actually punish someone for the TSP stuff - has lead to this kind of discussion.

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:And raiding doesn't lend itself to high horses too well anyway. Accountability comes from within a faction, not from its enemies.

Do you understand what org you're telling that to? Honestly curious.

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Ignoring all the other inane threadjacking by randos here.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'm not *that* old, we railed against the inabilty or unwillingness (depending on who you believe, as to whether acts of agression were rogue or just under a layer of plausible deniability, where not provably the latter) of late-life Ivan and others in leadership to keep Perg and friends on a leash and out of our damn business, ops, regions, and chats.

Just going to add that late-life Ivan could very well become early Ivan if this games gets any older. My comment stands that organizations rarely take credit for interfering in a GCR, and the best way to disown responsibility for actions by your soldiers is to punish them.

Unibot III wrote:

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'm not *that* old, we railed against the inabilty or unwillingness (depending on who you believe, as to whether acts of agression were rogue or just under a layer of plausible deniability, where not provably the latter) of late-life Ivan and others in leadership to keep Perg and friends on a leash and out of our damn business, ops, regions, and chats.

Just going to add that late-life Ivan could very well become early Ivan if this games gets any older. My comment stands that organizations rarely take credit for interfering in a GCR, and the best way to disown responsibility for actions by your soldiers is to punish them.

Well, it's up to you if you consider a reprimand enough punishment for what these people did.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:And raiding doesn't lend itself to high horses too well anyway. Accountability comes from within a faction, not from its enemies.

Do you understand what org you're telling that to? Honestly curious.

I mean... considering I've said both things to you in some form or another before... clearly I knew what response it would get. And I certainly didn't expect to end raiding with a single forum post.

Just kind of tossing it out there because the "accountability" circlejerk is self-serving and pointless.

So I was wandering through this thread and noticed that there was a lot of yappin about this and that and not enough talking about raiding. I wanted to set the record straight that we have been raiding, and at the most recent major, got a pretty decent hitcount against a sizeable host of our defender oppponents.


The finished egg cakes, delivered fresh to your region - whether you wanted it or not.

oh god no please you can take all the GCRs just please delete that report image aaaah

This shit aint funny its a crime

Next time I'll have to show y'all my famed Arizona Green Tea cake. It's quite loved by raiders, defenders, and natives alike.

"Egg cake" as in, like... cake cake? With egg on top? I have questions.

Mainly "why would you put a plain egg on top of cake?" but also "how do you cook the cake and the egg white all the way through while still keeping the yolk nice and creamy?" and a touch of "mmmmmm can I have some please?"

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:"Egg cake" as in, like... cake cake? With egg on top? I have questions.

Mainly "why would you put a plain egg on top of cake?" but also "how do you cook the cake and the egg white all the way through while still keeping the yolk nice and creamy?" and a touch of "mmmmmm can I have some please?"

Yes x4

Honeydewistania wrote:This shit aint funny its a crime

you're right raiding is a crime

Gorundu wrote:

Honeydewistania wrote:This shit aint funny its a crime

you're right raiding is a crime