The United Imperial Armed Forces

[Solorni]

Congratulations! It was an awesome operation and it was just unfortunate that people felt fit to defend them.

[Gavin Novawk]

In my opinion, defending TA is worse than defending Nazis. This region has served as a haven for those who have attacked and destroyed regional communities by forum destruction, porn spamming etc.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It was a pleasure working with the UIAF and the other groups that came together to attack TA. I look forward to working with the joint TNI-LKE forces in the future.

[The Ascendancy]

Congratulations on the raid! I really hope that The Ascendancy disappears as soon as possible. I agree that TA are worse than Nazis, but let's not just stop there; for our next target should be Empires of Earth for harboring the brains behind The Aeazen Combine.

[Green Acres]

How pathetic. That region was virtually dead for more than half a year. Its members moved to another projects. Why are you still butthurt about such petty things that have happened in the past?

About the porn spam:

fap fap fap fap. Thanks.

Have a nice day.

[Cormac Stark]

I anxiously look forward to seeing UIAF next target Europeia and Osiris, for harboring Hyanygo; Empires of Earth and Asgard, for harboring Azazel Crowley (AKA Lord Alphanesia); and The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms for harboring 94 Block. I'm sure we'll be expected not to defend any of these regions either.

Out of curiosity, what specific act of forum destruction did The Enochian Republic commit that justified a rare act of griefing that is usually against TNI/LKE policy and the policies of many of the regions that participated in this raid?

[The Solstice Confederation]

In my opinion, defending TA is worse than defending Nazis. This region has served as a haven for those who have attacked and destroyed regional communities by forum destruction, porn spamming etc.

Love you too!

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

I anxiously look forward to seeing UIAF next target Europeia and Osiris, for harboring Hyanygo; Empires of Earth and Asgard, for harboring Azazel Crowley (AKA Lord Alphanesia); and The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms for harboring 94 Block. I'm sure we'll be expected not to defend any of these regions either.

Out of curiosity, what specific act of forum destruction did The Enochian Republic commit that justified a rare act of griefing that is usually against TNI/LKE policy and the policies of many of the regions that participated in this raid?

lol. Your own organization, the UDL, will inevitably back down and/or apologize for defending TA, leaving you to the wolves. You have lost, I'm afraid.

[The Ascendancy]

I anxiously look forward to seeing UIAF next target Europeia and Osiris, for harboring Hyanygo; Empires of Earth and Asgard, for harboring Azazel Crowley (AKA Lord Alphanesia); and The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms for harboring 94 Block. I'm sure we'll be expected not to defend any of these regions either.

Out of curiosity, what specific act of forum destruction did The Enochian Republic commit that justified a rare act of griefing that is usually against TNI/LKE policy and the policies of many of the regions that participated in this raid?

lol. Your own organization, the UDL, will inevitably back down and/or apologize for defending TA, leaving you to the wolves. You have lost, I'm afraid.

This has just solidified the obvious fact that a portion of the group of people honestly don't care about the actions that TA seemingly committed; rather, it is just a talking point for propaganda lol.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

lol. Your own organization, the UDL, will inevitably back down and/or apologize for defending TA, leaving you to the wolves. You have lost, I'm afraid.

This has just solidified the obvious fact that a portion of the group of people honestly don't care about the actions that TA seemingly committed; rather, it is just a talking point for propaganda lol.

No it does not, and besides, I speak for nobody but myself. For a politically astute region like TNI or LKE, hitching oneself to the Durk public relations bandwagon is not a strategy I'd suggest.

[The Ascendancy]

This has just solidified the obvious fact that a portion of the group of people honestly don't care about the actions that TA seemingly committed; rather, it is just a talking point for propaganda lol.

No it does not, and besides, I speak for nobody but myself. For a politically astute region like TNI or LKE, hitching oneself to the Durk public relations bandwagon is not a strategy I'd suggest.

You alone would be enough to be classified as, "a portion of the group of people"; however, due to the fact that these other individuals that have destroyed forums are in regions of who are associated with those that have raided TA in the name of combating forum destruction -- the Queen of the Empires of Earth posted on the RMB -- only makes one wonder: a) why have they willingly allowed known forum destroyers to flock on their forums; and b) do they honestly care about forum destruction in-and-of itself?

[The Solstice Confederation]

This has just solidified the obvious fact that a portion of the group of people honestly don't care about the actions that TA seemingly committed; rather, it is just a talking point for propaganda lol.

No it does not, and besides, I speak for nobody but myself. For a politically astute region like TNI or LKE, hitching oneself to the Durk public relations bandwagon is not a strategy I'd suggest.

Probably right about the UDL turning on him. Unfortunate, but most likely the truth.

@Bold Text

Cool Opinions Bro.

[Gavin Novawk]

What is largely ignored is that whilst individuals should be condemned for such actions actions, should they show true remorse (hence never repeat their actions), and work for the community to redeem themselves, then they may have a chance of being re-integrated back into the community. I know on The LKE side of things, we have banned a forum destroyer on more than one occasion because they have seemingly taken pride in their actions, which is utterly despicable and unwelcome in The LKE and indeed, I believe, the NationStates world.

[The Ascendancy]

What is largely ignored is that whilst individuals should be condemned for such actions actions, should they show true remorse (hence never repeat their actions), and work for the community to redeem themselves, then they may have a chance of being re-integrated back into the community. I know on The LKE side of things, we have banned a forum destroyer on more than one occasion because they have seemingly taken pride in their actions, which is utterly despicable and unwelcome in The LKE and indeed, I believe, the NationStates world.

If this is the case, then why can other regions such as The Ascendancy do the same with an individual or two? I honestly feel bad that the innocent people in TA had to deal with the garbage that they had to thus far.

[Cormac Stark]

What is largely ignored is that whilst individuals should be condemned for such actions actions, should they show true remorse (hence never repeat their actions), and work for the community to redeem themselves, then they may have a chance of being re-integrated back into the community. I know on The LKE side of things, we have banned a forum destroyer on more than one occasion because they have seemingly taken pride in their actions, which is utterly despicable and unwelcome in The LKE and indeed, I believe, the NationStates world.

On what occasion did Lord Alphanesia show remorse that justified him being given a cabinet position in Empires of Earth and elected to the legislature of Asgard? Regarding 94 Block, The Black Riders refused to ban him even before he showed any remorse. This is a pretty hollow argument used to defend your allies when they harbor forum destroyers while still allowing you to use "harboring forum destroyers" as a great pretext for raiding and griefing. You can't have it both ways here.

[Whiskum]

I anxiously look forward to seeing UIAF next target Europeia and Osiris, for harboring Hyanygo; Empires of Earth and Asgard, for harboring Azazel Crowley (AKA Lord Alphanesia); and The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms for harboring 94 Block. I'm sure we'll be expected not to defend any of these regions either.

Out of curiosity, what specific act of forum destruction did The Enochian Republic commit that justified a rare act of griefing that is usually against TNI/LKE policy and the policies of many of the regions that participated in this raid?

The Ascendancy is widely and correctly regarded as a pariah in the way the regions you have listed are not. I personally do not necessarily approve of the presence of some of the individuals within the organisations you have listed. Hyanygo, Lord Alphanesia and 94 Block are in fact all banned from both TNI and LKE, but to compare Europeia, Osiris, Empires of Earth, Asgard, The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms to The Ascendancy is ridiculous. Europeia, for example, has shown a particular vigour in going after those who have engaged in acts of off-site terrorism and, if my recollection is correct, Hyanygo committed the acts in question against Europeia's own forums. In this context, the comparison you seek to make seems rather strange.

Ejections are uncommon, as has previously been highlighted, but that is not the same thing as being against policy. The Ascendancy as a region is a suitable gameplay target for the full force of military action, not only in light of the allegations made against it of harbouring forum destroyers and pornographic spammers (the latter in my view being worse than the former which is heinous enough by itself), but also in light of the hostility which it has repeatedly displayed towards 'the TNI-Europeia axis' as highlighted in our statement. Showing disrespect to our regions has consequences which this raid reflects.

[The Ascendancy]

I anxiously look forward to seeing UIAF next target Europeia and Osiris, for harboring Hyanygo; Empires of Earth and Asgard, for harboring Azazel Crowley (AKA Lord Alphanesia); and The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms for harboring 94 Block. I'm sure we'll be expected not to defend any of these regions either.

Out of curiosity, what specific act of forum destruction did The Enochian Republic commit that justified a rare act of griefing that is usually against TNI/LKE policy and the policies of many of the regions that participated in this raid?

The Ascendancy is widely and correctly regarded as a pariah in the way the regions you have listed are not. [T]o compare Europeia, Osiris, Empires of Earth, Asgard, The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms to The Ascendancy is ridiculous.

Why? The most I can gather is because of allegations and hostility which has not been made in at least roughly 8 months -- even though, the bulk of it were done by private citizens, and not the state itself. Prima facie, hostility seems to be more of the core reason moreso than the aforementioned allegations; for, the latter seems to be a cherry on top rather that the main reason as it seemingly is now.

[Gotcha Journalism]

In my opinion, defending TA is worse than defending Nazis. This region has served as a haven for those who have attacked and destroyed regional communities by forum destruction, porn spamming etc.

I am surprised at your pyramid of values, and the results thereof.

To ask you to clarify, I need to think that you believe the basic premise, that is, nazi themed regions in NS should not be defended from invasions.

That assumes not only that everyone playing the game would act out their real life beliefs in here, but also that they would join a region under that same banner.
Withdrawing all the consequences of your statement, everyone in the regions of Cuba and North Korea is an evil revolutionary, everyone in USA is a fat imperialist, and everyone in Islamic themed regions is a member of Al-Qaeda.
Indeed, the CIA is wasting it' resources, it should be surveilling NS instead, right?

I have some difficulty assuming all these baseless assumptions, but alas, I think rationally, whereas you might be more interested in feeling, and being dramatic.

So I have to accept that there are real nazis in NS, and that they are together in nazi themed regions, be able to try to comprehend your statement.

You say that these people, that in the real world believe and advocate for the mistreatment of minorities and the superiority of an ethnical majority, and that come online to spread these ideas, are comparatively better than people who don't even achieve a hacker status, since all you claim they do is go around posting poor content?

You really think spammers are worse than nazis?

[Whiskum]

The Ascendancy is widely and correctly regarded as a pariah in the way the regions you have listed are not. [T]o compare Europeia, Osiris, Empires of Earth, Asgard, The Black Riders and The Rejected Realms to The Ascendancy is ridiculous.

Why? The most I can gather is because of allegations and hostility which has not been made in at least roughly 8 months -- even though, the bulk of it were done by private citizens, and not the state itself. Prima facie, hostility seems to be more of the core reason moreso than the aforementioned allegations; for, the latter seems to be a cherry on top rather that the main reason as it seemingly is now.

TNI's war with the FRA began over the invasion of Valhalla in December 2006, over six years ago, though admittedly the FRA has perpetrated various hostile military, political and intelligence acts against TNI since then. Why should eight months make any difference? Retribution comes when it comes.

As for the rest of your post, I suggest you need to reread the official UIAF statement, which highlighted a range of factors in the first paragraph:

Ranging from their attacks on the TNI-Europeia axis as 'The Hegemony', an apparently malevolent, undemocratic and unmeritocratic grouping that would cause the draining dry of the feeders of nations and the death of NS, through threats all the way to outright war with our treatied ally Unknown, The Ascendancy have long been a thorn in the side of all that is decent in Nationstates.

As you can see, our statement quite clearly does not suggest one 'core reason', as you suggest we have implied, but instead discusses a wide variety of factors which do indeed mark The Ascendancy out as a pariah and equally as hostile to TNI and LKE interests, in addition to the serious allegations surrounding a wider range of forum destruction and pornographic spamming incidents than in any of the individual instances Cormac cited.

[Hyanygo]

I fear Gavin may be misdirecting a little bit. I was a citizen of both TNI and The LKE (c.2010) and my background was not called into question publically. I was informed by Onder sometime in Jun/July 2012 that I was to be removed because of my flirtation with the UDL. I had made no social connections in the LKE and TNI, but I did in the UDL, so I informed him that he could do whatever he wanted with the account. As far as I know I am -not- strictly banned from the LKE, which only serves to show Onder's accepting personality (which should be applauded). Moreover, it shows that he isn't an idiot and blinded by a black/white view of the world.

I did register my sadness that the TNI/LKE 'war' prevented me from offering my time. But ah well. The following regions will get my time in the near future: UDL, Osiris and Europeia. There is much personal work to be done for the first, there is judgeship in the second, and for the last, I intend on doing the back office paperwork (Law Index, a project with r3n, possible scripting, materials for the JTC).

Europeia, or at least Europeians in good standing, is comfortable with my presence and more importantly, I have paid my dues (or whatever the expression is). As I have remarked elsewhere in Gameplay there may be qualitative differences between me and that The Ascendancy member.

I dislike being used to score points, even more when there are misdirections.

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More broadly speaking, I wish the UIAF the best of luck in their political ambitions. Depending on whether I can be bothered or not after a hard day's work, I may be on the other side of the battlefield. When that time comes I hope it will be civil.

-Hy

[Hyanygo]

I dislike editing. The above post should actually reference Onder not Gavin.

@Onder: I can still -see- the forums It honestly doesn't matter from my perspective. I'm not going to do a poo in the corner, nor do I wish to poo elsewhere.

[Solorni]

From what I recall, those regions didn't frame other people for the Summer Spam Attacks of 2011 on TRR, Europeia, KoD, IGD, TUF, UK & TIL.

Leviathan Romefeller; founder of IGD (one of the original regions to combine into TA) and one of the principle members of TAs leadership, altered or had someone alter (rather terribly) a screenshot that displayed IP addresses in IGDs Admin CP of Alphyn to match the porn spammers. This was part of a massive report from their sphere, which sought to put the blame on the porn spam attacks on Alphyn. This was a region which harboured active porn spammers and worked to protect them by blaming it's enemies. It started at the very top.

[Whiskum]

I dislike editing. The above post should actually reference Onder not Gavin.

@Onder: I can still -see- the forums It honestly doesn't matter from my perspective. I'm not going to do a poo in the corner, nor do I wish to poo elsewhere.

It seems you were unbanned in LKE by another admin during my leave of absence which started in October (which continues, hence why my current blip of activity will not be permanent), along with Cormac and several others, apparently including Earth, who were banned by me for their UDL affiliation. It seems a change of policy occurred in my absence regarding the access of UDL and FRA members who there were no specific reasons to ban beyond their affiliation. Leaving that policy aside for the moment, you will now be rebanned for your role in forum destruction and Cormac will be rebanned for the fact he did not merely join the UDL but joined it after having been LKE Foreign Minister, an unforgivable act of base treachery as far as I am concerned. Furthermore, I should clarify I was unaware of the forum destruction allegations against you when you first joined in 2010, as that was all ancient history which I only became aware of because of the absurd propaganda TA has been issuing on this suggesting there is an equivalence between them and Europeia. I still do not see any equivalence between TA and Europeia or you and the TA individuals involved, but we employ zero tolerance.

[The Solstice Confederation]

From what I recall, those regions didn't frame other people for the Summer Spam Attacks of 2011 on TRR, Europeia, KoD, IGD, TUF, UK & TIL.

Leviathan Romefeller; founder of IGD (one of the original regions to combine into TA) and one of the principle members of TAs leadership, altered or had someone alter (rather terribly) a screenshot that displayed IP addresses in IGDs Admin CP of Alphyn to match the porn spammers. This was part of a massive report from their sphere, which sought to put the blame on the porn spam attacks on Alphyn. This was a region which harboured active porn spammers and worked to protect them by blaming it's enemies. It started at the very top.

What actual evidence do you even have that this was falsified? The report itself took a week to compile. Your statement sounds like pure speculation.

[Hyanygo]

How strange that it wasn't flagged up (a little chuckle to myself). I hope lessons have been learnt (at least it is all rectified on your end).

EDIT: Okay, I've been informed that double posting is no-no. It is important that you stick to your principle of zero tolerance, much like other regions stick to their principles.