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Omnicontrol wrote:The moment Batac resigned and a native (Leni Robredo) was elected by democratic process that seems pretty native to me.

Leni Robredo is as much a native of the Philippines as Quebec is a native of Solidarity.

Anyways, you folks also "elected" a bonafide raider with less residency than my puppet there as "co-president" lol. Not even subtle about it.

Mechanocracy wrote:

Omnicontrol wrote:The moment Batac resigned and a native (Leni Robredo) was elected by democratic process that seems pretty native to me.

Concepts like loyalty or construction are alien to the raider ideology. Where imperialists want to take and hold to merit their crowns, where independents wish to preserve the motion of the spheres, where region builders wish to make creation out of naught, raiders derive pleasure solely from disruption and chaos. Sure, they're capable of putting on a theatrical facsimile of democracy, of caring and wanting to build for once, but we know them better, don't we? Putting on the mask of an invested native does not change their insidious inner nature.

Look. I'm a raider. I thrive off disruption and chaos. I'm not even mad the Philippines got overthrown, but that's our thing, not yours. Leni Robredo had been residing in the Philippines for quite a bit before CTEing and moving back in weeks before the raid. If it had been a raider sleeper it would have been an RO. But it wasn't, because they're a native. And I know this is unusual (not even kidding here), but after we were done we passed it back to the natives and helped them build a proper framework.

I understand a raidable region is eventually going to get raided, but being that the new government wasn't even remotely associated with raiderdom like Islamic States was, I would not have expected the redeemers of the natives to raid the natives.

That's just my two cents, feel free to reply as you wish.

Mechanocracy wrote:Concepts like loyalty or construction are alien to the raider ideology.

I don't care to mire myself in the greater context of the Philippines election, but this sentiment in particular is an ugly one. Frankly, I'm not even remotely sure how you could say that loyalty is alien to raider ideology. Even outside of the foundational concept of Raider Unity, itself an exaltation of loyalty and boundaries, some of the most loyal people I have ever known have been raiders, sticking with me for over a decade in many cases. We actually value loyalty quite a bit. Disloyal raiders are unlikely to advance very far in any given organization and at the very least, the Brotherhood has sworn oaths of loyalty for all service.

As for construction, again this is easily disproven. Raiders are constantly building up our own communities, our own infrastructures, our own diplomatic networks, that benefit us and our allies. Countless man-hours of work has gone into building culture, community, and military apparatuses that secure victory on the battlefield far more often than not. Our ideology is not an obstacle to this phenomenon, it is integral. That we do not value the lands that choose to stand in our way is not an indication that raider ideology fails to value loyalty or construction, as they are both important aspects of how we're able to exert our will on the world.

Omnicontrol wrote:The moment Batac resigned and a native (Leni Robredo) was elected by democratic process that seems pretty native to me.

The same native whose WA was in BoM attempting to be the domestic Delegate a few weeks ago?

Shove off, even if you weren't being patently absurd, you're barking up the wrong tree if you expect us to care about what you think at all.

Omnicontrol wrote:

Concrete Slab wrote:Damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing

Not joking, just wondering.

Picairn wrote:Yes, the super duper native government that was imposed by foreign bayonets and banjected the previous delegate, totally democratic.

The moment Batac resigned and a native (Leni Robredo) was elected by democratic process that seems pretty native to me.

Actually we have 2 Co-Presidents as the election was a tie: Leni Robredo and Magicia. In any case I would expect the "defenders" who care so much about foreign raiders overthrowing lawfully and democratically elected governments to step in and help restore the Philippines after its recent revival.

- Beste Peqkact, Speaker of the Parliament of the Philippines

Picairn wrote:

Omnicontrol wrote:The moment Batac resigned and a native (Leni Robredo) was elected by democratic process that seems pretty native to me.

Leni Robredo is as much a native of the Philippines as Quebec is a native of Solidarity.

Anyways, you folks also "elected" a bonafide raider with less residency than my puppet there as "co-president" lol. Not even subtle about it.

Only condition was to be a WA member. Any of y'all beachhead defenders could have legally run, or voted, but ya didn't. So that's really on you. But anyways, I knew you'd destroy it when given the chance. If I cared to preserve it I could have stayed piled and probably kept banning you for a few more updates, but I have better things to do with my time.

The New Republic was the most active government Philippines had for a while. For what its worth Leni seemed genuinely interested in running the region. But you destroyed it in order to doom the region to an existence of inactivity and nothingness. Better inactive and desolate then run by somebody we don't like. Which we already knew was your policy, but I think this whole experiment helps illustrate it nicely.

Beste Peqkact wrote:-snip-
In any case I would expect the "defenders" who care so much about foreign raiders overthrowing lawfully and democratically elected governments to step in and help restore the Philippines after its recent revival.

- Beste Peqkact, Speaker of the Parliament of the Philippines

First time? Defenders aren't exactly subtle about their contempt for anyone, native or not, that fails to fall in line. It's much easier for their spindoctors to simply say the new government are raider puppets, despite any evidence to the contrary, and use it as an excuse to eradicate any remnants of activity - and conveniently take with it any anti-defender sentiment borne from native recognition of their total failure - leftover in the region. Expecting them not to double down on this stuff is like expecting a fish not to swim.

Batac wrote:Only condition was to be a WA member. Any of y'all beachhead defenders could have legally run, or voted, but ya didn't. So that's really on you. But anyways, I knew you'd destroy it when given the chance. If I cared to preserve it I could have stayed piled and probably kept banning you for a few more updates, but I have better things to do with my time.

The New Republic was the most active government Philippines had for a while. For what its worth Leni seemed genuinely interested in running the region. But you destroyed it in order to doom the region to an existence of inactivity and nothingness. Better inactive and desolate then run by somebody we don't like. Which we already knew was your policy, but I think this whole experiment helps illustrate it nicely.

Raider spin is really good comedy. "Legally run or voted" bro you guys were banjecting defenders left and right, and the former Delegate Berlande as well.

Illegitimate government imposed by foreign invasion and artificially sustained by raiders & raiders, natives weren't collaborating with you. Your "new republic" has like 10 nations in a tiny corner of NS (all of them raiders & puppets), really goes to show the popular support. /s

Batac wrote:

Picairn wrote:Leni Robredo is as much a native of the Philippines as Quebec is a native of Solidarity.

Anyways, you folks also "elected" a bonafide raider with less residency than my puppet there as "co-president" lol. Not even subtle about it.

Only condition was to be a WA member. Any of y'all beachhead defenders could have legally run, or voted, but ya didn't. So that's really on you. But anyways, I knew you'd destroy it when given the chance. If I cared to preserve it I could have stayed piled and probably kept banning you for a few more updates, but I have better things to do with my time.

The New Republic was the most active government Philippines had for a while. For what its worth Leni seemed genuinely interested in running the region. But you destroyed it in order to doom the region to an existence of inactivity and nothingness. Better inactive and desolate then run by somebody we don't like. Which we already knew was your policy, but I think this whole experiment helps illustrate it nicely.

Batac, a region cannot sustain itself if it had life breathed into it from a foreign source, because ultimately that influence was foreign and not from within the community that surrounds it. It is like having someone survive on heavy life support. The Philippines needs a dedicated community to hold itself together, to give it the life it needs. Your efforts to "revitalise" it, while admirable in my eyes, did nothing to better the sadly decaying state of the Philippines.

You can argue that it could have lived on if more of your raider friends moved into the Philippines, but at that point is it really even independent, unique anymore? Is it just another jump point for The Brotherhood, a proxy state that is identical to Kantrias in all but appearance? Each region has a unique personality to it, a soul that cannot be replicated easily. Raiding it is not a way to go around preserving that identity.

New Westmore wrote:Is it just another jump point for The Brotherhood, a proxy state that is identical to Kantrias in all but appearance? Each region has a unique personality to it, a soul that cannot be replicated easily. Raiding it is not a way to go around preserving that identity.

Gather ‘round, people! We seem to have found ourselves an expert on Kantrian culture, personality and - my oh my - soul!

Do tell me more about this ‘proxy state’, and then, when you are done embarrassing yourself, go back to TEP.

Terra Inferiori Reliquere wrote:

New Westmore wrote:Is it just another jump point for The Brotherhood, a proxy state that is identical to Kantrias in all but appearance? Each region has a unique personality to it, a soul that cannot be replicated easily. Raiding it is not a way to go around preserving that identity.

Gather ‘round, people! We seem to have found ourselves an expert on Kantrian culture, personality and - my oh my - soul!

Do tell me more about this ‘proxy state’, and then, when you are done embarrassing yourself, go back to TEP.

Kantrias was an example, and I'm sorry I can't be bothered learning about your region's culture just so I can construct a better argument even when my other points already have prior merit to them. Furthermore, I was an active participant in the liberation; I have every right to comment about it and how it went down. This nation resides in The East Pacific because that's my first home on NationStates, but that doesn't mean I have no other presences elsewhere. Case in point, anyone that had the name NRA or Nirvasyl that you banjected from the region was me.

On top of that, and this isn't directly aimed at you, more at Batac, looks like the natives weren't so supportive of you after all. I knew something was up when you said they were entirely willing to have you guys on board.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54010646
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54009444
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54008926

New Westmore wrote:

Terra Inferiori Reliquere wrote:Gather ‘round, people! We seem to have found ourselves an expert on Kantrian culture, personality and - my oh my - soul!

Do tell me more about this ‘proxy state’, and then, when you are done embarrassing yourself, go back to TEP.

On top of that, and this isn't directly aimed at you, more at Batac, looks like the natives weren't so supportive of you after all. I knew something was up when you said they were entirely willing to have you guys on board.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54010646
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54009444
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54008926

That third one doesn't even reside in Philippines, it resides in Algerheaven and moved to Phil to post that lol. Meanwhile Manilenyos was refounded today, after spending almost a year CTE'd. So on who's authority are they to speak? You know, if I felt like being super disingenuous and pulling an uno-reverse card, I could try to claim they're a defender puppet/plant. Of course I prefer verified facts over conspiracy theories so I won't go there, but you get the point. The only credible native in your batch is Ecnav, who was a former delegate of the previous government of course he'll be unhappy with being deposed. Doesn't exactly make him a neutral unbiased party here.

My point being, many of the active natives, who took notice of the raid early on, in the first few days, were happy with the activity. People like Ecnav took a week or more to actually notice anything has happened, and also, has gone on to spend his time justifying why Philippines being an innactive wasteland is a good thing, so I can't say I have high hopes for his leadership.

Oh, for what it's worth Leni, Magicia and Nfenze were not my plants. I had no idea who they were, nor did I command them to do anything. Of course, you just kinda have to take my word on that, as I can't prove it, but it's true. They acted on their own.

What will win out in the end, the pro-raider new government, or the stagnant status quo of the old, I cannot say, nor do I really care particularly. This was always just about correcting Philippine's embassies. The rest of the government building stuff was just a fun experiment, as a bonus. I'm satisfied with having shaken up the bottle, and now the dust can settle where it may, and we'll see what comes of it.

Batac wrote:

New Westmore wrote:
On top of that, and this isn't directly aimed at you, more at Batac, looks like the natives weren't so supportive of you after all. I knew something was up when you said they were entirely willing to have you guys on board.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54010646
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54009444
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=54008926

That third one doesn't even reside in Philippines, it resides in Algerheaven and moved to Phil to post that lol. Meanwhile Manilenyos was refounded today, after spending almost a year CTE'd. So on who's authority are they to speak? You know, if I felt like being super disingenuous and pulling an uno-reverse card, I could try to claim they're a defender puppet/plant. Of course I prefer verified facts over conspiracy theories so I won't go there, but you get the point. The only credible native in your batch is Ecnav, who was a former delegate of the previous government of course he'll be unhappy with being deposed. Doesn't exactly make him a neutral unbiased party here.

My point being, many of the active natives, who took notice of the raid early on, in the first few days, were happy with the activity. People like Ecnav took a week or more to actually notice anything has happened, and also, has gone on to spend his time justifying why Philippines being an innactive wasteland is a good thing, so I can't say I have high hopes for his leadership.

Oh, for what it's worth Leni, Magicia and Nfenze were not my plants. I had no idea who they were, nor did I command them to do anything. Of course, you just kinda have to take my word on that, as I can't prove it, but it's true. They acted on their own.

What will win out in the end, the pro-raider new government, or the stagnant status quo of the old, I cannot say, nor do I really care particularly. This was always just about correcting Philippine's embassies. The rest of the government building stuff was just a fun experiment, as a bonus. I'm satisfied with having shaken up the bottle, and now the dust can settle where it may, and we'll see what comes of it.

Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

New Westmore wrote:Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion.

Hey jsyk, setting aside everything else, it’s broadly known that Nordic Lands is fascist sympathizing. Like, harboring the remnants of Layem and the previous Concord, two regions cleared explicitly by raiders and defenders for being fash. Like, few would argue with that characterization. Plus a bevy of other issues, but I promise you don’t wanna be arguing along that line.

New Westmore wrote:

Batac wrote:That third one doesn't even reside in Philippines, it resides in Algerheaven and moved to Phil to post that lol. Meanwhile Manilenyos was refounded today, after spending almost a year CTE'd. So on who's authority are they to speak? You know, if I felt like being super disingenuous and pulling an uno-reverse card, I could try to claim they're a defender puppet/plant. Of course I prefer verified facts over conspiracy theories so I won't go there, but you get the point. The only credible native in your batch is Ecnav, who was a former delegate of the previous government of course he'll be unhappy with being deposed. Doesn't exactly make him a neutral unbiased party here.

My point being, many of the active natives, who took notice of the raid early on, in the first few days, were happy with the activity. People like Ecnav took a week or more to actually notice anything has happened, and also, has gone on to spend his time justifying why Philippines being an innactive wasteland is a good thing, so I can't say I have high hopes for his leadership.

Oh, for what it's worth Leni, Magicia and Nfenze were not my plants. I had no idea who they were, nor did I command them to do anything. Of course, you just kinda have to take my word on that, as I can't prove it, but it's true. They acted on their own.

What will win out in the end, the pro-raider new government, or the stagnant status quo of the old, I cannot say, nor do I really care particularly. This was always just about correcting Philippine's embassies. The rest of the government building stuff was just a fun experiment, as a bonus. I'm satisfied with having shaken up the bottle, and now the dust can settle where it may, and we'll see what comes of it.

Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

Oh god, here we go again. The Institute of Cellulose was very close with Layem, Genua, and Concord. Now, I'm not particularly well-versed on 2021 NS history given I was pretty inactive back then, but I can safely say Layem, Genua, and old Concord were fascist regions no matter who you ask. Ask The League, TEP, The Brotherhood of Malice, or Thaecia for all I care, but you will get the same answer. Layem, Genua, and Concord were problematic to such a degree both BoM and TL, who notable aren't in best terms with each other, were involved in bashing them. Genua's community moved to Fifth Empire, which proudly brands itself as "The Biggest Fascist Region In NS" and urges you to "Flash Your Fash".

New Westmore wrote:Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

So we are just going to conveniently close our eyes to the embassy held between Nordic Lands and Raxulan Empire?

Noted.

New Westmore wrote:

Batac wrote:That third one doesn't even reside in Philippines, it resides in Algerheaven and moved to Phil to post that lol. Meanwhile Manilenyos was refounded today, after spending almost a year CTE'd. So on who's authority are they to speak? You know, if I felt like being super disingenuous and pulling an uno-reverse card, I could try to claim they're a defender puppet/plant. Of course I prefer verified facts over conspiracy theories so I won't go there, but you get the point. The only credible native in your batch is Ecnav, who was a former delegate of the previous government of course he'll be unhappy with being deposed. Doesn't exactly make him a neutral unbiased party here.

My point being, many of the active natives, who took notice of the raid early on, in the first few days, were happy with the activity. People like Ecnav took a week or more to actually notice anything has happened, and also, has gone on to spend his time justifying why Philippines being an innactive wasteland is a good thing, so I can't say I have high hopes for his leadership.

Oh, for what it's worth Leni, Magicia and Nfenze were not my plants. I had no idea who they were, nor did I command them to do anything. Of course, you just kinda have to take my word on that, as I can't prove it, but it's true. They acted on their own.

What will win out in the end, the pro-raider new government, or the stagnant status quo of the old, I cannot say, nor do I really care particularly. This was always just about correcting Philippine's embassies. The rest of the government building stuff was just a fun experiment, as a bonus. I'm satisfied with having shaken up the bottle, and now the dust can settle where it may, and we'll see what comes of it.

Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

m8 this isn't the hill you want to die on

Ostrovskiy wrote:

New Westmore wrote:Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

m8 this isn't the hill you want to die on

To all the messages that were telling me about this, I wasn't aware that they were harboring fascists and were fascist sympathizers. Again, from what I could see at surface level nothing problematic was there at all, especially with Nordic Lands, who appeared to style themselves as a somewhat respectable region to be in.

New Westmore wrote:To all the messages that were telling me about this, I wasn't aware that they were harboring fascists and were fascist sympathizers. Again, from what I could see at surface level nothing problematic was there at all, especially with Nordic Lands, who appeared to style themselves as a somewhat respectable region to be in.

They do that, so it's easy to get confused about them.

Terra Inferiori Reliquere wrote:

New Westmore wrote:Having looked at the regions you deemed problematic, like The Institute of Cellulose and Nordic Lands, I cannot see any glaring issues with them like the alleged fascism that TCB mentioned in their casus belli for the invasion. And regardless, they're still natives of the Philippines, well at least two of them. They have every right to comment about what happened, because after all it is their home regardless of if they CTEd or were an RO of a previous administration.

So we are just going to conveniently close our eyes to the embassy held between Nordic Lands and Raxulan Empire?

Noted.

They kept their eyes open and saw the truth that we're not Fascists and acted accordingly, because we aren't Fascists. You on the other hand are the one that conveniently closed your eyes to the fact that we're not Fascists in order to continue to pedal lies about us that are used to justify attacks on us for no other reason than for our opposition against the Leftist ideology.

Rusticus I Damianus wrote:

Terra Inferiori Reliquere wrote:So we are just going to conveniently close our eyes to the embassy held between Nordic Lands and Raxulan Empire?

Noted.

They kept their eyes open and saw the truth that we're not Fascists and acted accordingly, because we aren't Fascists. You on the other hand are the one that conveniently closed your eyes to the fact that we're not Fascists in order to continue to pedal lies about us that are used to justify attacks on us for no other reason than for our opposition against the Leftist ideology.

You're homophobic though

Libertia wrote:

Rusticus I Damianus wrote:They kept their eyes open and saw the truth that we're not Fascists and acted accordingly, because we aren't Fascists. You on the other hand are the one that conveniently closed your eyes to the fact that we're not Fascists in order to continue to pedal lies about us that are used to justify attacks on us for no other reason than for our opposition against the Leftist ideology.

You're homophobic though

I'm against homosexuality, but I don't hate homosexuals. If that's your definition of homphobic, then so be it, but if your definition implies that I hate homosexuals, then you're once again incorrect.

If you're going to hate me, I'd appreciate if you were at least honest about why you hate me, rather than making up lies about me to justify said hatred.

Rusticus I Damianus wrote:

Libertia wrote:You're homophobic though

I'm against homosexuality, but I don't hate homosexuals. If that's your definition of homphobic, then so be it, but if your definition implies that I hate homosexuals, then you're once again incorrect.

If you're going to hate me, I'd appreciate if you were at least honest about why you hate me, rather than making up lies about me to justify said hatred.

Nobody lied about you, crybaby. They said you're homophobic, you demonstrated that you're homophobic, end of discussion.

You will rightfully continue to be a poison that ruins the social standing of anyone who associates with you for as long as you proudly maintain your bigotry. You can either change your ways or accept that, but acting like a victim about it is just pathetic.

Reventus Koth wrote:

Rusticus I Damianus wrote:I'm against homosexuality, but I don't hate homosexuals. If that's your definition of homphobic, then so be it, but if your definition implies that I hate homosexuals, then you're once again incorrect.

If you're going to hate me, I'd appreciate if you were at least honest about why you hate me, rather than making up lies about me to justify said hatred.

Nobody lied about you, crybaby. They said you're homophobic, you demonstrated that you're homophobic, end of discussion.

You will rightfully continue to be a poison that ruins the social standing of anyone who associates with you for as long as you proudly maintain your bigotry. You can either change your ways or accept that, but acting like a victim about it is just pathetic.

Jesus showed kindness and love towards people, including the people that hated him enough to kill him, and he still loved them while on the cross and after he rose from the dead, and now 2,000 years later at this very hour, millions of men and women would willingly die for him, with me being one of them.

Meanwhile responses like that towards people who simply disagree with a lifestyle is never going to endear your movement to said people, but if anything have the opposite effect and increase the amount of people that oppose your movement, so I doubt your movement will be able to make a similar boast to what the followers of Christ can make right now. I pray that all of you will realize that before you push people to an extreme that neither of us would want to see.

Anyways, I just wanted to make that clarification in regards to my region, not get into a debate of this nature here at the moment, however if you or anyone else wishes to continue it, you're welcome to join the Raxulan server and continue it there, otherwise I bid you all good day.

Rusticus I Damianus wrote:Meanwhile responses like that towards people who simply disagree with a lifestyle is never going to endear your movement to said people, but if anything have the opposite effect and increase the amount of people that oppose your movement, so I doubt your movement will be able to make a similar boast to what the followers of Christ can make right now. I pray that all of you will realize that before you push people to an extreme that neither of us would want to see.

Rusticus. Keep your prayers as well as your poisonous words to yourself. Being homosexual isn't a lifestyle. Its not like myself and all other homosexuals back when we were young suddenly decided to live a life of a minority that is being oppressed wherever we go. The very way you talk about a 'movement' as well as offering 'prayers' says enough.

Just stop.