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Petition to allow nations to reverse issue decisions

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Should there be an option to reverse issue results?

Poll runs till Sun Jun 27, 2027 10:15 am

Yes, I play this game for fun, not for realism
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50%
No, I like my forum game the way it is
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Total votes : 82

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Auosterland
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Petition to allow nations to reverse issue decisions

Postby Auosterland » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:15 am

While there are many ways to not screw up with issue results such as Require confirmation before passing legislation setting and checking http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/ , these solutions simply don't cut it when you misclick and send your stats plummeting and adding a policy that says human sacrifice is legal in your nation.

Now, there are plenty of people who will say "Oh but the unintended results are considered part of the fun of the game!" and "Well, its how it works in the real world." and while these arguments have their worth, if you want to keep the results irreversible, just don't reverse them. And I think I speak for everyone when I say that losing a stat you've spent years improving isn't fun, its enraging and makes you want to quit. I'm quite sure most people play video games because they aren't realistic to our world.

That's why I'm petitioning for an option to reverse issue results. Yadda yadda yadda, probably won't listen to counter arguments saying it would break the game, polls go brrrr.

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Notanam
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Postby Notanam » Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:05 am

the require confirmation button quite literally "cuts it" for misclick situations...
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Parouty
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Postby Parouty » Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:08 am

I clicked on both
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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:11 am

How you manage to misclick twice is beyond me.

Also, you just started your account a month ago. I seriously doubt you "speak for everyone". This proposal is common among new players, and new players only.

Just suck it up and play the game.
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Auosterland
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Postby Auosterland » Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:26 am

Untecna wrote:How you manage to misclick twice is beyond me.

Also, you just started your account a month ago. I seriously doubt you "speak for everyone". This proposal is common among new players, and new players only.

Just suck it up and play the game.


Funny you should mention, this singular nation has only been around for a month. I've been playing this game for years! :rofl:

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Untecna
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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:43 am

Auosterland wrote:
Untecna wrote:How you manage to misclick twice is beyond me.

Also, you just started your account a month ago. I seriously doubt you "speak for everyone". This proposal is common among new players, and new players only.

Just suck it up and play the game.


Funny you should mention, this singular nation has only been around for a month. I've been playing this game for years! :rofl:

I find that hard to believe.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:52 pm

Sorry, but this will not happen.

There is not, under any circumstance, going to be a "preview the exact stat impacts of my choice" option introduced, which is precisely what this amounts to. If one is concerned about what the most common results are, there are third party websites that provide excellent guidance on the range of effects seen from every option of every issue. This is a game of satire, exaggeration, and unintended consequences. Like most players, I've inadvertently ganked my gold-badged stats into oblivion on multiple occasions. It happens, and is part of the game.

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Postby Vetelo » Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:33 pm

Just use it as a roleplay opportunity. NationStates is what you make of it. I've crashed my stats so many times and accidentally legalized slavery at one point. But that's the fun of it all, and part of the game.
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Postby Aber Antarctica » Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:36 pm

I hope so. I don't want to have to restart a nation because of a kneejerk reaction during decision-making. If people come to this geopolitical game for 'satire, exaggeration, and unintended consequences', they should set up a Discord server. This game is more professional than that. At least in my experience.
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Postby Gandoor » Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:25 am

Aber Antarctica wrote:If people come to this geopolitical game for 'satire, exaggeration, and unintended consequences', they should set up a Discord server. This game is more professional than that. At least in my experience.

This is literally a browser-based web game that was created to promote an Australian dude's political satire novel from over 20 years ago.

To say that this game is 'more professional than that' in response to a mod making note that this is a satirical game is so out of touch with the reality of this game I don't even know what to say.
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Postby Aber Antarctica » Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:59 am

Gandoor wrote:
Aber Antarctica wrote:If people come to this geopolitical game for 'satire, exaggeration, and unintended consequences', they should set up a Discord server. This game is more professional than that. At least in my experience.

This is literally a browser-based web game that was created to promote an Australian dude's political satire novel from over 20 years ago.

To say that this game is 'more professional than that' in response to a mod making note that this is a satirical game is so out of touch with the reality of this game I don't even know what to say.


I meant that it's more professional than any game I've ever played for one. Like I said, 'in my experience'. I don't believe there's a geopolitical game on the internet or otherwise that's as more in-depth about the mechanisms of geopolitics than NationStates is. We even have forum topics where people can discuss realism of certain aspects of their nation (the military, for example). Most people tend to take this game seriously, hence (part of the reason, at least, from what I can see) why there are professionally-made flags, detailed factbooks, dispatches, etc.

Therefore, I feel like it should be reasonable to at least get a second wind on decisions that you make with issues, as some people, like me, use the stats -- because, worldbuilding-wise, that's the basis of custom-nation building.

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Postby Riemstagrad » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:08 am

With a thing like this implemented, reading issues actually becomes obsolete.
You just try out all the options, then pick the one with the most desirable effects for your nation.

A high ranking then means that you had luck with the issues randomly presented to your nation.

The game doesn't have to be realistic in all areas, but i think the NS issue system is a good simulation of how hard and erratic the process of running a country is.

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Postby The Machine Regime » Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:02 am

At the very least, an appeal system would be nice. Misclicked on a legislation that cost me my entire law enforcement stat and its been taking ages to get an issue to reverse it.
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Postby Untecna » Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:03 am

To everyone that claims they need it: the most realistic government fucks up.
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Postby The Machine Regime » Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:11 am

To the man who keeps yapping about realism, nobody plays games because they're 1 to 1 with real life.
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Postby Untecna » Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:42 am

The Machine Regime wrote:To the man who keeps yapping about realism, nobody plays games because they're 1 to 1 with real life.

No one said that.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:40 am

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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am

Make “Require confirmation” the default. No more misclicks.

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