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Improper Classifications
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Postby Improper Classifications » Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:55 am

lots of purges this year already. my god that was funny to look at
Edit: apparently the raider point had not been around for long (relatively) so that’s funny too
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:58 am

honestly this operation was kinda amazing (and eye-opening for one). we've long thought this sort of operation was virtually impossible (though i think several of us have thought of the possibility of sleeper agents), and to actually pull it off is kind of crazy.

as much as it annoys many residents (including those in the region and those ejected), props have to be given where props are due. certainly something big for raiderdom to have done.
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Postby The Ambis » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:48 am

What in the fucking hell? I didn’t have “wake up to find one of the most endorsement happy regions raided” on my to do list!
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Postby United Villages Of Eisbutch » Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:08 am

I couldn't read it last night cause my brain was much but this is an amazing story for such a amazing raid your dig a incredible job here <3
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Postby New Astri » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:09 am

thats fucking crazy. congratulations addi
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:26 am

"Hey, why are people talking about dogs here?" Shortly after update happened, Valtarre (aka Koth) pinged everyone in the Brotherhood of Malice server urging them to upvote this cute, lovable doggo. Just one problem... the doggo wasn't meant for Malice. No issue, though: Vleer offered running updates on the dispatch in Malice, Miravana pinged everyone about it in TBH, Sparkles pinged citizens in Sparkalia and heaven knows what happened in all the other raider servers because I'm not a member of any of them. To this day hour, it's still not clear what Valt's real intentions were.
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Postby East Chimore » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:40 am

Tinhampton wrote:To this day hour, it's still not clear what Valt's real intentions were.

Valt's intentions were to let everyone know that she is a Bishon Frise.
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Postby New Eestiball » Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:24 pm

props must be given where props are due
this was a very funny and well-executed raid, and it didn't do too much damage to the influence farmers such as myself.
and it gave europe the opportunity to deal with a spam problem by 'accidentally' forgetting about some spammy residents who hadn't quite crossed the line but...
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Postby Free Social Conservatives » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:20 pm

good job.

wait is that the Wardens closing their Frontier?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:58 am

Myrth trying to figure out how to get things under control and beefing with the raiders was the funniest event out of it all. He eventually did, and it manifested on the RMB.
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Postby St Scarlett » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:48 am

I mean at least you've given us yet another reason to oppose EuroFounder's position in the region.

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Postby Quaxoglia » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:31 pm

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:as much as it annoys many residents (including those in the region and those ejected), props have to be given where props are due. certainly something big for raiderdom to have done.


It didn't annoy me. It made me angry. There was no reason to attack us and kick innocent people out of our region. :evil:
If people want to raid, fine. Raid other raiders. Just leave neutral regions and peacefull regions alone.
I'm not a milimeter interested in raiding. I just want to make fun with friends, do some diplomacy. That's all, and people should respect that decision in my opinion. :evil:
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Postby German Social Democracy » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:38 pm

Quaxoglia wrote:
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:as much as it annoys many residents (including those in the region and those ejected), props have to be given where props are due. certainly something big for raiderdom to have done.


It didn't annoy me. It made me angry. There was no reason to attack us and kick innocent people out of our region. :evil:
If people want to raid, fine. Raid other raiders. Just leave neutral regions and peacefull regions alone.
I'm not a milimeter interested in raiding. I just want to make fun with friends, do some diplomacy. That's all, and people should respect that decision in my opinion. :evil:

not really how raiderdom works, raiding other raiders would be a pretty major violation of raider unity, a principle that practically every raider region obeys. also, raider regions understand the game enough to not make the mistakes that causes them to be raidable so like. not really possible to raid say LWU, TBH, or BoM because we all maintain governors and don't leave exec WA del on.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm

Quaxoglia wrote:
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:as much as it annoys many residents (including those in the region and those ejected), props have to be given where props are due. certainly something big for raiderdom to have done.


It didn't annoy me. It made me angry. There was no reason to attack us and kick innocent people out of our region. :evil:
If people want to raid, fine. Raid other raiders. Just leave neutral regions and peacefull regions alone.
I'm not a milimeter interested in raiding. I just want to make fun with friends, do some diplomacy. That's all, and people should respect that decision in my opinion. :evil:


If having your innocent regionmates burned out of the region during our raid made you angry, then ....do something about it.

Make that your origin story.

Let it motivate you to join a defending organization, and do your best to return the favor, to make raiders lose.

Because, guess what? We're not going to stop. We're not going to leave anyone alone just because they're "neutral." Sure, as a member of a governed region, you could be safe if your governor hadn't negligently left the delegacy Executive - but if he hadn't? We would have gone elsewhere and ejected other people instead. Perhaps one of your allies, even.

Raiders only respect 3 things:
-Other Raiders
-Pacts, treaties, and other bindings to Raiding
-Regions that have mechanically rendered themselves inviable to raid

Neutrality is not on that list. Peaceful regions are not on that list. Raiders are, so no, we're not going to raid other raiders (who typically also, mind you, make their regions mechanically unraidable!).

You want me, and my peers, to stop?

Make us.

Until then, burning half your region was just a Tuesday Saturday.
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Postby Umeria » Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:28 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Quaxoglia wrote:It didn't annoy me. It made me angry. There was no reason to attack us and kick innocent people out of our region. :evil:
If people want to raid, fine. Raid other raiders. Just leave neutral regions and peacefull regions alone.
I'm not a milimeter interested in raiding. I just want to make fun with friends, do some diplomacy. That's all, and people should respect that decision in my opinion. :evil:

If having your innocent regionmates burned out of the region during our raid made you angry, then ....do something about it.

I think it's kind of weird to respond to "I don't want to be involved" with "Go get involved."
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Postby Omnicontrol » Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:27 am

Umeria wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:If having your innocent regionmates burned out of the region during our raid made you angry, then ....do something about it.

I think it's kind of weird to respond to "I don't want to be involved" with "Go get involved."

Because saying "I don't want to be involved with raiding" is basically the same as saying "I don't want to involved with issues", or with the WA, or with the RMB... If you don't want to, you're free to opt out.

Don't want issues? Turn vacation mode on.
Don't want WA? Exit the WA.
Don't want to be raided? Go make a region with a non-executive delegate and a password.

Raiding is a legitimate part of the game as much as issues or the WA are, and just like them, we aren't going to stop because some guy is pissed off about participating in the game but doesn't want to opt out of it.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:37 am

Omnicontrol wrote:
Umeria wrote:I think it's kind of weird to respond to "I don't want to be involved" with "Go get involved."

Because saying "I don't want to be involved with raiding" is basically the same as saying "I don't want to involved with issues", or with the WA, or with the RMB... If you don't want to, you're free to opt out.

Don't want issues? Turn vacation mode on.
Don't want WA? Exit the WA.
Don't want to be raided? Go make a region with a non-executive delegate and a password.

Raiding is a legitimate part of the game as much as issues or the WA are, and just like them, we aren't going to stop because some guy is pissed off about participating in the game but doesn't want to opt out of it.

Unfortunately for half our region mates who did not possess adequate influence to safeguard from ejection, they were the victims of the raid. Although we are a neutral region, our founder is not. EuroFounder/Myrth has been a veteran GPer and obviously has rubbed some the wrong way, which this raid was specifically to target him directly and Europe is one of the biggest regions in NS to make a statement.
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Postby Omnicontrol » Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:54 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Omnicontrol wrote:Because saying "I don't want to be involved with raiding" is basically the same as saying "I don't want to involved with issues", or with the WA, or with the RMB... If you don't want to, you're free to opt out.

Don't want issues? Turn vacation mode on.
Don't want WA? Exit the WA.
Don't want to be raided? Go make a region with a non-executive delegate and a password.

Raiding is a legitimate part of the game as much as issues or the WA are, and just like them, we aren't going to stop because some guy is pissed off about participating in the game but doesn't want to opt out of it.

Unfortunately for half our region mates who did not possess adequate influence to safeguard from ejection, they were the victims of the raid. Although we are a neutral region, our founder is not. EuroFounder/Myrth has been a veteran GPer and obviously has rubbed some the wrong way, which this raid was specifically to target him directly and Europe is one of the biggest regions in NS to make a statement.

I know what the raid is and why it was :P

I'm just saying, if you don't like to be raided, then go to an unraidable region. Beggars can't be choosers ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ (not directed at you, rather at the guy complaining)
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Postby Aleena » Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:26 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Omnicontrol wrote:Because saying "I don't want to be involved with raiding" is basically the same as saying "I don't want to involved with issues", or with the WA, or with the RMB... If you don't want to, you're free to opt out.

Don't want issues? Turn vacation mode on.
Don't want WA? Exit the WA.
Don't want to be raided? Go make a region with a non-executive delegate and a password.

Raiding is a legitimate part of the game as much as issues or the WA are, and just like them, we aren't going to stop because some guy is pissed off about participating in the game but doesn't want to opt out of it.

Unfortunately for half our region mates who did not possess adequate influence to safeguard from ejection, they were the victims of the raid. Although we are a neutral region, our founder is not. EuroFounder/Myrth has been a veteran GPer and obviously has rubbed some the wrong way, which this raid was specifically to target him directly and Europe is one of the biggest regions in NS to make a statement.

This is in fact false ftr, we didn't actually know myrth was the founder until long after the plans had been made and preparations prepared

Besides the glory and fun of ejecting 927 nations from one of the biggest UCRs in the game, if you want to say you were chosen for more political reasons your treaty with TNP and membership of WALL would be more accurate
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:55 am

Aleena wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Unfortunately for half our region mates who did not possess adequate influence to safeguard from ejection, they were the victims of the raid. Although we are a neutral region, our founder is not. EuroFounder/Myrth has been a veteran GPer and obviously has rubbed some the wrong way, which this raid was specifically to target him directly and Europe is one of the biggest regions in NS to make a statement.

This is in fact false ftr, we didn't actually know myrth was the founder until long after the plans had been made and preparations prepared

Besides the glory and fun of ejecting 927 nations from one of the biggest UCRs in the game, if you want to say you were chosen for more political reasons your treaty with TNP and membership of WALL would be more accurate

I think it's well-known that EuroFounder is Myrth around GP circles. But I guess any association with TNP and NPO would stick out as a target.
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Outer Sparta wrote:Unfortunately for half our region mates who did not possess adequate influence to safeguard from ejection, they were the victims of the raid. Although we are a neutral region, our founder is not. EuroFounder/Myrth has been a veteran GPer and obviously has rubbed some the wrong way, which this raid was specifically to target him directly and Europe is one of the biggest regions in NS to make a statement.

I know what the raid is and why it was :P

I'm just saying, if you don't like to be raided, then go to an unraidable region. Beggars can't be choosers ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ (not directed at you, rather at the guy complaining)

A lot of those people who got ejected thought Europe was unraidable. But alas, you can easily stick a raider plant inside and accumulate endorsements because we don't have an endorsement cap.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:49 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Aleena wrote:This is in fact false ftr, we didn't actually know myrth was the founder until long after the plans had been made and preparations prepared

Besides the glory and fun of ejecting 927 nations from one of the biggest UCRs in the game, if you want to say you were chosen for more political reasons your treaty with TNP and membership of WALL would be more accurate

I think it's well-known that EuroFounder is Myrth around GP circles. But I guess any association with TNP and NPO would stick out as a target.
Omnicontrol wrote:I know what the raid is and why it was :P

I'm just saying, if you don't like to be raided, then go to an unraidable region. Beggars can't be choosers ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ (not directed at you, rather at the guy complaining)

A lot of those people who got ejected thought Europe was unraidable. But alas, you can easily stick a raider plant inside and accumulate endorsements because we don't have an endorsement cap.


While the NPO hasn't exactly treated with Raiders recently, they've also pointedly refrained from engaging in escalatory measures - and ergo so have raiders with them. Even if we were out to get the NPO in 2024, bugging a region an ancient-ass retired notable from their region sits as absent founder of, wouldn't exactly be a very direct or notable way to do so.

Europe was, via founder neglect, raidable on a massive scale. It's a TNP treaty ally in an era where TNP has co-led the sanctioning and debadging of raiders. It's participated in that effort as part of WALL, and been generally annoying about WA campaigning in general. That's plenty reason enough.

Regarding said neglect: there's no other term to call "having an executive delegate and allowing any schmuck to walk in and accumulate both 100k influence and 20 endos less than the delegate."

That's EuroFounder's fuckup (in the Executive setting), and Europe's government's fuckup (in no Endo Gap and failure to keep a skeptic eye on endorsement gathering), but it is also a failure on TNP's part.

Kaschovia, campaigning, detailed how TNP aims to secure allies from side effects of their wars (quoted below). While doing so, either out of incompetence or a lazy assumption that Europe was safe because Europe was large, they utterly failed to nudge you to correct this negligent security gap, despite months of attacks on other Treaty allies (including the prior use of a sleeper to close an Endo Gap and tag a region, in IDU, which is actually the exact event that spawned a question which Kasch's quote is replying to). If TNP's defense ministry was worth their salt, they should have warned you about this vulnerability ... Unless they did, and your government ignored it? The end result is the same: a frankly fairly predictable attack halved Europe's population by exploiting a negligent security setting that Wasc was willing to bet no one relevant would notice or correct for months. A bet she won.

Kaschovia wrote:Mitigating fallout from the war on smaller allies begins with assessing the security of those regions and preparing well for the eventualities in which they are affected or that they are raided. We find out how many our enemies would need in numbers to present a serious threat in the face of allied military counteraction, how many native endorsements already exist on their delegate to provide additional security, and what those regions would need from us in that scenario, so that in the event that one of them is attacked, we'll then be aware of the relevant and necessary parameters to call in appropriate allied and domestic military support as well as supporting SC resolutions to protect them through injunctions and liberations. This is standard practice currently and I would say all of our smaller allies are currently safe from serious military threats.
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Postby Foxyshire » Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:58 pm

WAIT, I MISSED A FOX THEMED RAIDING PARTY!?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
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Postby Wascoitan » Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:04 pm

Foxyshire wrote:WAIT, I MISSED A FOX THEMED RAIDING PARTY!?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Another fox loving raider : O, next time I make a fox themed raid you're 100% getting invited in particular <3
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Postby Foxyshire » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:02 pm

Wascoitan wrote:
Foxyshire wrote:WAIT, I MISSED A FOX THEMED RAIDING PARTY!?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Another fox loving raider : O, next time I make a fox themed raid you're 100% getting invited in particular <3

Thank you very much, ma'am, I look forward to it!
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Postby Zantalio » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:07 pm

Honestly, the raid was insane. It was funny when it was a fox themed thing turned dog mascot. I still see it pinned on Sparkalia’s WFE. But was the raid short-term or long-term, srsly?
Edit: Also EF practically told us that he expects that we’ll be raided again but we can rebuild in a few days, since I guess we’re an established region.
Last edited by Zantalio on Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:10 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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