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A Bloodred Moon
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:18 am

Daytime to Night wrote:leaking secure information or simply the constant harassment GCR leaders in private messages for acting in their own interests rather than that of the raider sphere.

If it was in private messages, how do you know about it?

Jakker has already been actively lobbying people to approve this proposal as a means to troll 10000 Islands, remarkable conduct for a forum moderator.

Do you have any proof of that?

TBH are now suggesting a random group of their rank and file decided to do this on their own in support of Jakker's resolution and didn’t organise it or discuss it in any area visible to their own leadership.

Surely defender intel can figure some evidence to the contrary if that is the case? Additionally, your group consists of two people and a third nation that you lot can’t place. Quite the group indeed. If TBH was behind this I’d hope they wouldn’t organise such a poor attempt at it, but I suppose you’ll know best.

The attempts by the likes of Peeps, Jo and others to peddle the ‘Council definitely didn’t know about this’ message tells me all I need to know.

I’m not sure what post you read, but it sure wasn’t mine.

Throwing others under the bus seems to be becoming a trademark of TBH ‘leadership’. If it were my organisation I would be demoting those involved immediately, but that is obviously difficult to do if they’re acting under the orders of their superiors...

Pick a story. Are they throwing the involved members under the bus? Or are they not doing enough?
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:49 am

Also isn't it just a tad hypocritical to get upset about WA Regional sovereignty and then use this issue to bully and shame other regions and nations into voting how you want them to in the WA, and making them out to be against Sovereignty if they don't. Especially considering none of this has to do with the merit of the actually SC resolution?
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Postby Sandaoguo » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:51 am

A Bloodred Moon wrote:Besides, if you consider TBH a foreign enemy anyway, why is it shocking that they took action?


This is such a mystifying way to think about a violation of sovereignty, and not because it's some enlightened or transcended wisdom. It's literally nonsensical. TBH is an enemy, therefore we should a) not be surprised when they violate our sovereignty and b) not do or say anything about it. The way some of you think is just... very interesting. TBH (and other raiders) are allowed to do whatever they want, and their targets (defenders and innocent regions) aren't allowed to get angry about it, because of course TBH is going to behave this way. And you think that speaks well of TBH and ill of TSP. Hm.
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Postby Qvait » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:35 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with the statement made above this post.
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A Bloodred Moon
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:44 pm

Sandaoguo wrote:TBH is an enemy, therefore we should a) not be surprised when they violate our sovereignty and b) not do or say anything about it.

I am unsure where you read b), so I’m not sure who you’re talking to. Defenders might decide for natives what they want, but I’m afraid the same does not apply to debates or discussions.

The way some of you think is just... very interesting. TBH (and other raiders) are allowed to do whatever they want, and their targets (defenders and innocent regions) aren't allowed to get angry about it, because of course TBH is going to behave this way.

Once more, not what I said. Do you expect everyone you openly regard as enemies and who you have previously spied on not to take action in return?

And you think that speaks well of TBH and ill of TSP. Hm.

Your mind-reading skills need some work. I merely remarked that TSP’s wording of their statement was odd.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:13 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:The only ones who are pretending this is nothing all have a strategic interest in burying this, and we shouldn’t let them.


then what's my strategic interest, NuCo? legitimately wondering. :p

edit: my point in asking is to show there are those of us who think this is being overstated / dramatized, that don't have any ulterior motive. like me! saying that everyone that believes that has a strategic interest in burying this is tinfoil-hat level stuff.
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Postby King HEM » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:31 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:
Aquilanion wrote:
The Black Hawks was not, and never was, involved in any coup attempts in Balder, despite efforts to portray it otherwise.


Just a few rogue individuals acting on their own volition again? Of course :roll:


One thing I will say tangentially: When it comes to denying organized attempts to subvert and infiltrate regions as a "few rogue individuals acting on their own volition", Numero is indeed the expert. :P
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Postby The Python » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:27 pm

I'm not surprised.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

did you have to quote the entire statement, just to say that?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:15 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:Jakker has already been actively lobbying people to approve this proposal as a means to troll 10000 Islands, remarkable conduct for a forum moderator.

Accusations of moderator misconduct/rulebreaking do not belong in some points-scoring Gameplay drama. I'm sure you will be able to provide evidence and a proper report of this alleged misconduct to the site staff and admins via the Getting Help page.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:34 pm

2020 has obviously been a slow year, if this is what it takes to create Gameplay drama.

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