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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:43 am

Galiantus III wrote:I understand this is a game, and conflict is interesting. OOC, it is kinda cool. However, in-charcter, this shows that TWI doesn't care that the NPO has been violating Lazarus' sovereignty. So, ICC, I have a pretty poor view of TWI.

What you must understand is that TWI, for all intents and purposes, doesn't participate in gameplay, it is first and foremost an rp and community-based region. Some regions have absolutely no interest in gameplay, and so the most interesting aspect of gameplay for them really is watching the world burn.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:45 am

Vancouvia wrote:The Pacific Did Nothing Wrong (to Us)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1135539

It's hard not to agree with the main point of this dispatch, coming at it from the perspective of an RPer uninvolved in gameplay. The Pacific is the only GCR to have relatively friendly relations with The Western Isles - and those regions and people trying to get The Western Isles to close that embassy couldn't give two solitary shits about them, they just want the propaganda boost. Are the regions at war with the NPO going to give TWI an in-game embassy in their regions to replace the NPO one? I doubt that for some reason.
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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:24 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:The Pacific Did Nothing Wrong (to Us)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1135539

It's hard not to agree with the main point of this dispatch, coming at it from the perspective of an RPer uninvolved in gameplay. The Pacific is the only GCR to have relatively friendly relations with The Western Isles - and those regions and people trying to get The Western Isles to close that embassy couldn't give two solitary shits about them, they just want the propaganda boost. Are the regions at war with the NPO going to give TWI an in-game embassy in their regions to replace the NPO one? I doubt that for some reason.


I was bribed with such an arrangement.........

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Postby Yokiria » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:55 am

Vancouvia wrote:I was bribed with such an arrangement.........


Evidence?
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:01 am

Vancouvia wrote:The Pacific Did Nothing Wrong (to Us)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1135539

What strikes me about this is that portions of it are the very definition of userite, and yet the NPO seems to have no qualms about an embassy with your region despite the blatant display of what they would classify as userite behavior in this dispatch.

"The Userite - nations loyal to User Created Regions (UCRs), that seek to exploit the resources of the GCRs, subjugate them to a Userite ideology, or otherwise abuse them for the advancement, glory, and empowerment of their User Created Region(s)." - Articles of Government and Civil Code of the Pacific

"It's nice that one of the largest regions lets us stack our name below their WFE..." - Vancouvia

"Who among us hasn't dreamed of being in control of a GCR and savoring all of those free, limitless future soldiers region-members? It sure would save on stamps." - Vancouvia

It's almost like Francoism is just an excuse for the NPO to perpetrate coups against other Feeders and Sinkers, and they're not really committed to it.

Vancouvia wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:It's hard not to agree with the main point of this dispatch, coming at it from the perspective of an RPer uninvolved in gameplay. The Pacific is the only GCR to have relatively friendly relations with The Western Isles - and those regions and people trying to get The Western Isles to close that embassy couldn't give two solitary shits about them, they just want the propaganda boost. Are the regions at war with the NPO going to give TWI an in-game embassy in their regions to replace the NPO one? I doubt that for some reason.


I was bribed with such an arrangement.........

Whether you were actually offered embassies in exchange for closing your embassy with the Pacific or not, it was hardly "bribery" to offer you diplomatic recognition and friendship in exchange for cooperating regarding the embassy closure. This sort of undermines your point on the one hand that The Western Isles just likes to have a lot of embassies, when on the other you're claiming the offer of more embassies is "bribery."

In any event, while you may claim The Western Isles doesn't participate in interregional affairs, you just did. And some of us won't forget it.

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Postby Yokiria » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:05 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:It's almost like Francoism is just an excuse for the NPO to perpetrate coups against other Feeders and Sinkers, and they're not really committed to it.


There is growing evidence to support the idea that there are no Francoists left active in NationStates; only imperialists that pretend to be Francoists out of convenience.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:08 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:The Pacific Did Nothing Wrong (to Us)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1135539

What strikes me about this is that portions of it are the very definition of userite, and yet the NPO seems to have no qualms about an embassy with your region despite the blatant display of what they would classify as userite behavior in this dispatch.

"The Userite - nations loyal to User Created Regions (UCRs), that seek to exploit the resources of the GCRs, subjugate them to a Userite ideology, or otherwise abuse them for the advancement, glory, and empowerment of their User Created Region(s)." - Articles of Government and Civil Code of the Pacific

"It's nice that one of the largest regions lets us stack our name below their WFE..." - Vancouvia

"Who among us hasn't dreamed of being in control of a GCR and savoring all of those free, limitless future soldiers region-members? It sure would save on stamps." - Vancouvia

It's almost like Francoism is just an excuse for the NPO to perpetrate coups against other Feeders and Sinkers, and they're not really committed to it.

Vancouvia wrote:
I was bribed with such an arrangement.........

Whether you were actually offered embassies in exchange for closing your embassy with the Pacific or not, it was hardly "bribery" to offer you diplomatic recognition and friendship in exchange for cooperating regarding the embassy closure. This sort of undermines your point on the one hand that The Western Isles just likes to have a lot of embassies, when on the other you're claiming the offer of more embassies is "bribery."

In any event, while you may claim The Western Isles doesn't participate in interregional affairs, you just did. And some of us won't forget it.

Any reason for your poorly-veiled threat against TWI? Some people don't agree with us with regards the NPO, respect it.
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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:10 am

I don't think the average GPer knows how to respect a diverting opinion, my friend...
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:11 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:In any event, while you may claim The Western Isles doesn't participate in interregional affairs, you just did. And some of us won't forget it.

Cormac doesn't get his way and immediately resorts to threats. How cute.
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Postby Yokiria » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:14 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Any reason for your poorly-veiled threat against TWI? Some people don't agree with us with regards the NPO, respect it.


Stand by, I will explain.

The Seeker of Power wrote:I don't think the average GPer knows how to respect a diverting opinion, my friend...

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:In any event, while you may claim The Western Isles doesn't participate in interregional affairs, you just did. And some of us won't forget it.

Cormac doesn't get his way and immediately resorts to threats. How cute.


I apologize for interrupting the circle-jerk between you two, but..

The founder of TWI expressed support regarding actions against the sovereignty of Osiris. There is your reason for "threats" and disrespect from the co-founder of the current regional government of the Osiris Fraternal Order.

Cormac's reaction is not unreasonable. I'm certain that anyone with a passion for Osiris will tell you similarly.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:15 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Any reason for your poorly-veiled threat against TWI? Some people don't agree with us with regards the NPO, respect it.
Drop Your Pants wrote:Cormac doesn't get his way and immediately resorts to threats. How cute.

"Threat." Right. The entire context of this line of discussion has been about TWI and its embassies, so at worst the "threat" was simply TWI shouldn't expect those of us in these regions to forget about their disrespectful dispatch and claims of "bribery" and want embassies with TWI in the future now.

Beyond that, why would I bother threatening a user-created RP region with an active Founder? What's there to threaten them with? Get a grip.
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Postby Parcia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:17 am

Another dust up in the Pacific, and here I thought any nations with a Sense of humor had left that hell hole.


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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:19 am

Yokiria wrote:I apologize for interrupting the circle-jerk between you two, but..

The founder of TWI expressed support regarding actions against the sovereignty of Osiris. There is your reason for "threats" and disrespect from the co-founder of the current regional government of the Osiris Fraternal Order.

Cormac's reaction is not unreasonable. I'm certain that anyone with a passion for Osiris will tell you similarly.


Cute... But it IS unreasonable, as all they've done is ask for people to stop pushing them a way they don't want to go. Their region barely intermingles in gameplay, even. They haven't threaten anyone, they haven't mentioned any actions they are taking, etc. Literally, their whole post is "stop it, we don't care cuz TP hasn't harmed us".

So yeah, it SEEMS unreasonable, not unexpected tho: GP doesn't know what respect is. And this is not directed at Cormac, it was YOU who thought it was. It was directed at GP in general.

To whoever it fits, if you wish.
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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:21 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Beyond that, why would I bother threatening a user-created RP region with an active Founder? What's there to threaten them with? Get a grip.

This is true, tho. There isn't threatening worth for a founder region with an active founder tbh.
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Postby Yokiria » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:25 am

The Seeker of Power wrote:Cute... But it IS unreasonable, as all they've done is ask for people to stop pushing them a way they don't want to go. Their region barely intermingles in gameplay, even. They haven't threaten anyone, they haven't mentioned any actions they are taking, etc. Literally, their whole post is "stop it, we don't care cuz TP hasn't harmed us".

So yeah, it SEEMS unreasonable, not unexpected tho: GP doesn't know what respect is. And this is not directed at Cormac, it was YOU who thought it was. It was directed at GP in general.

To whoever it fits, if you wish.


All they have done is exaggerate claims of telegram-based harassment, express support of the NPO's attempted subversion of multiple regions (including Osiris), advertise the dispatch where they express that support on the most active forum thread regarding the drama, and then accuse the other side of bribery. "Leave us alone, we don't care" may be their message, but their actions show the opposite as their true motive. They clearly want the attention, and they are getting it.

As to your "respect" comment, I would consider insulting an entire category of the game disrespectful. Perhaps you should reflect on your own conduct before criticizing the conduct of others?
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:39 am

Yokiria wrote:As to your "respect" comment, I would consider insulting an entire category of the game disrespectful. Perhaps you should reflect on your own conduct before criticizing the conduct of others?

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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:46 am

Yokiria wrote:As to your "respect" comment, I would consider insulting an entire category of the game disrespectful. Perhaps you should reflect on your own conduct before criticizing the conduct of others?

Amusing... really amusing. Should I chuckle now?

Describing the reality is not disrespectful. The average GPer is disrespectful and usually just adds to a very ridiculously high level of toxicity (which is disappointing tbh, I don't remember GP being THIS toxic 5 or more years ago...). Bandwagonners. These are all facts that are easily discernible from reading GP often. And it doesn't matter where you are at politically: I've always been critical of the low level of respect and high level of lulziness/bandwagoning/mindless name calling/contentlessness on behalf of the average GPers regardless of them attacking my region, an allied region, or an enemy region. Disgusting.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:50 am

The Seeker of Power wrote:The average GPer is disrespectful and usually just adds to a very ridiculously high level of toxicity (which is disappointing tbh, I don't remember GP being THIS toxic 5 or more years ago...).

As an aside, while I can relate to the feeling (because I've had the same feeling myself), this is nostalgia talking. Gameplay has always been like this. It wasn't any less toxic when the NPO was using Pope Hope's real life picture in their propaganda, for example. Things were even more toxic when certain R/D gameplayers from the RLA and Unknown had no qualms about running around destroying others' forums over R/D. There are countless other examples.
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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:06 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
The Seeker of Power wrote:The average GPer is disrespectful and usually just adds to a very ridiculously high level of toxicity (which is disappointing tbh, I don't remember GP being THIS toxic 5 or more years ago...).

As an aside, while I can relate to the feeling (because I've had the same feeling myself), this is nostalgia talking.


It is possible, mate. I might be just getting old to be honest. I'm almost sure you are right and this is an effect of nostalgia.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:53 am

Yokiria wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Any reason for your poorly-veiled threat against TWI? Some people don't agree with us with regards the NPO, respect it.


Stand by, I will explain.

The Seeker of Power wrote:I don't think the average GPer knows how to respect a diverting opinion, my friend...

Drop Your Pants wrote:Cormac doesn't get his way and immediately resorts to threats. How cute.


I apologize for interrupting the circle-jerk between you two, but..

The founder of TWI expressed support regarding actions against the sovereignty of Osiris. There is your reason for "threats" and disrespect from the co-founder of the current regional government of the Osiris Fraternal Order.

Cormac's reaction is not unreasonable. I'm certain that anyone with a passion for Osiris will tell you similarly.

I don't think the founder of TWI cares. I think the founder of TWI thinks his region has gotten a pretty nice deal with the pacific, has gotten a lot of tgs from people who want him to abandon it, and wants them to stop.
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Postby 94 Defenders » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:54 am

Woah, I find myself agreeing with TSP and Cormac. Spooky.

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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:02 am

94 Defenders wrote:Woah, I find myself agreeing with TSP and Cormac. Spooky.

Honestly, it is creepy... Indeed it is...
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Postby Vespertania » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:04 am

I think this thread might be getting off topic with so much discussion about another region. Maybe somebody else should steer it back onto the thread topic?
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Postby The Gilded Star » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:07 am

I don't think others giving TWI a cold reaction for basically saying, "We think it's fun to watch other communities be overthrown and destabilized" is any more unreasonable than Pacificans giving a cold reaction to others saying, "NPO delenda est". When you make light about destroying someone's home and community that they love, there's bound to be a few rustled jimmies about it.
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Postby 2SDOATS » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:22 am

Chaos is the only true way to peace with out chaos the people get restless and bored and die. CHAOS IS PEACE and PEACE IS CHAOS.

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