The Rejected Realms Embassy

[Glacikaldr]

That is the best image I have ever seen in my life. <3

There’s a certain saying in a certain region that I like - “Don’t let the bastards push you down.”

Not any more after your anti-mottoist puppets destroyed it!

[All Wild Things]

Confirmed:
Tupe
Neq
Church of Satan
CrazyGirl
Souls
Manson

Pending 2nd Second:
Canton

That's a great list of candidates. Not an easy choice to be made!

[Vulturret-]

This is categorically incorrect. TRR's Vice Delegate is in no way yours. You are not a Citizen. You do not have any say in how our government operates, nor is our government accountable to you. You are merely a disgruntled ex-Delegate that we cannot get rid of due to game mechanics. You can trust that I speak from the general consensus of our Citizenry when I say that we'd rather not have you in our region.

Actually in the strictest game mechanics perspective I am his vice-delegate as well as any other resident of TRR.

It seems as if we disagree in this regard; that is okay, your opinion is rather relevant to me and the public at large, considering that you are an official of TRR who does an excellent job. It is perfectly fine for Citizens (and Residents in most cases) to engage in discourse with their government officials. I respect you, and we shouldn't let Gameplay arguments derail the cooperation between us that may be needed at some point.

Additionally the government doesn't disregard non-citizens.

Whilst I am not necessarily familiar with the view of the current Government on this, I'll take your word for it, though that's not really the kind of thing I usually talk about with wabbitslayah.

The residents are equally as important as the citizens are for better or worse.

Simply put, we disagree about this; that is okay, we musn't let silly debates in the Gameplay forum cause decay of our internal power structures and performance. As an aside, I'd disagree with this point legally. While it may be the prerogative of the Delegate to decide how the Government views Residents, it is an unavoidable fact that Residents mean little to the law. As a matter of fact, the Constitution of the Rejected Realms only references Residents for the purpose of defining the Citizenship Application process, and, further, states rather plainly that the legal jurisdiction of the Constitution (and thus of the forumside Government) applies only to Citizenship. This can be found in Article I, Section 1:

A: This Constitution defines the government and citizenship of The Rejected Realms. No laws or treaties may contradict this document, and all citizens of the region are required to comply with the provisions set out in it.

It is made rather clear that the Constitution only defines Citizenship and Government, and while the power of the Delegate through his role as the in-game World Assembly Delegate may extend to having control over residents, as far as the forum-side Government is concerned, Residents are irrelevant, save one thing which is mentioned in my response- albeit a few quotes down.

Uni is a resident of the region and the only person who can change is that Uni himself. Even though he is strictly forbidden from participating in the government and all offsite activities his in-game residency is unavoidable.

Sure, that is true, I've never disagreed with you about this. Maybe one day we will get a ban button, I cannot predict the future.

As a resident Uni has the same civil rights as you despite the fact that many people hate the idea.

This is a half-truth. Yes, on a purely residential basis, Unibot and I have the same rights, but Residents inherently (at least according to the Constitution of the Rejected Realms) have only one right:

A: Citizenship may be granted to any person who has a nation in The Rejected Realms and an account on TRR's forums.

This is categorically the only residential right enumerated by the Constitution. Further, it only grants the possibility of Citizenship, meaning that residency is in no way a guarantee of that status. I would correctly argue that I obviously have more rights than Unibot, given that I hold all the rights enumerated by Citizens while he does not; I have been granted Citizenship in accordance with the legal procedures defined by the Constitution, which allows me to enjoy rights Unibot relinquished his chance of having.

And the hypocrisy part is because Uni has also contributed to TRR in a positive manner. Vastly more than you have. Yes he's exiled from the region but before then he'd done a lot for the region.

It seems we disagree on how one would measure impact and positiveness. We can discuss this this more on Discord or via forum PM (hit me up any time), because this is for obvious reasons an inappropriate medium.

This is categorically incorrect. TRR's Vice Delegate is in no way yours. You are not a Citizen. You do not have any say in how our government operates, nor is our government accountable to you. You are merely a disgruntled ex-Delegate that we cannot get rid of due to game mechanics. You can trust that I speak from the general consensus of our Citizenry when I say that we'd rather not have you in our region.


I am not going to dignify this comment with a response.


You are obviously incredibly misinformed, given that I am not a)a public official in TRR or b)"uninterested in a manner of regional security." I care more about the security of the Rejected Realms than you could ever dream to. "My Imperialist background" has nothing to do with this, to suggest that I do not care about TRR or its security is both incorrect and deeply hurtful. You should strongly reconsider your criticism of someone who has contributed to the Rejected Realms in a consistently positive manner.

I am not a disgruntled ex-delegate. I am an ex-delegate. I don’t harbour any ill will to TRR.

Again, I will not discuss details of this over the Gameplay forum. The same invitation for contact via off-site means in no way extends to you.

The Vice Delegate is a regional position, it applies to the region as a whole. Non-citizens are still telegrammed and advised to endorse their Vice Delegate.

While I am not a Regional Officer nor am I involved in the drafting of their telegrams, I should note that I never disagreed that the Vice Delegacy wasn't a regional position, I merely stated that it is rather incorrect for you to take the Vice Delegate as "yours."

Don’t lecture me about caring about TRR’s security. I’m not buying the act from someone who just brushed aside concerns; I’ve always put TRR’s security first.

This is a public forum and I am discussing what I feel comfortable discussing. I categorically have never "brushed aside concerns," security or otherwise, relating to the Rejected Realms, nor have I ever not put TRR's security first. Anyone with any understanding of the situation would be adequately able to comprehend what I was saying in my post.

I didn’t even feel comfortable serving as Delegate until I was assured that I wouldn’t put TRR in jeopardy. I tarted every day as Delegate. I’ve always felt a grave responsibility to remain vigilant.

Good for you.

As for the public official comment, I had thought you were still serving as speaker.

Alas, this isn't the case, I have not been Speaker since early July, and it also represents that you really haven't been doing your research. You wouldn't even need access to the off-site forums for this, check the Regional Officer slots.

[Unibot III]

Alas, this isn't the case, I have not been Speaker since early July, and it also represents that you really haven't been doing your research. You wouldn't even need access to the off-site forums for this, check the Regional Officer slots.

Honestly, I'm old fashioned: I relied on the list at the top of the forum to keep track of who was in government. I only casually follow the proceedings of the Assembly.

This is categorically the only residential right enumerated by the Constitution. Further, it only grants the possibility of Citizenship, meaning that residency is in no way a guarantee of that status. I would correctly argue that I obviously have more rights than Unibot, given that I hold all the rights enumerated by Citizens while he does not; I have been granted Citizenship in accordance with the legal procedures defined by the Constitution, which allows me to enjoy rights Unibot relinquished his chance of having.

Again you don't need to lecture me about the Constitution, I was an original signatory of the Rejected Realms Constitution. I have a framed copy of it in my childroom bedroom!

The Charter of Rights and Responsibilities is the document which outlines your rights as a resident of the Rejected Realms, alongside the Regional Message Board Act; the Constitution only outlines your powers, privileges, duties, and obligations. Rights and freedoms in the Rejected Realms belong to all rejects, not simply citizens; the denial of rights based on the status of citizenship would be inconsistent with the tenets of liberal democracy and would facilitate abuses of executive power and an authoritarian culture.

The Constitution articulates the Government of the Rejected Realms, but the Government of the Rejected Realms serves the Rejected Realms not specifically the citizenry of the Rejected Realms. The WA Delegate of the Rejected Realms serves the Rejected Realms at large, encouraging participation from rejects, soliciting endorsements, and directing and enforcing RMB policies.

It seems we disagree on how one would measure impact and positiveness.

(Off Stage:) I positively contributed to every area of the Rejected Realms' political life and if you want to attack my record, I will defend it.

*appears on stage in drag and a glorious flowing wig, carrying a microphone*

*launches into song*

And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
I'll state my case, of which I'm certainnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I've lived a life that's full
And each and every highway
And yet, much more than this
I did it my wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

*duck-walks with an invisible guitar*

In foreign policy, I oversaw the creation of the alliance between the South Pacific and the Rejected Realms, forging our regions' most important alliance; I also negotiated and signed the Osiran NAP which many did not believe would be a permanent fixture when it was signed. In culture, I organized successful cultural events month to month - most were my idea - unique Rock, Paper, Scissors competitions, themed events, Murder Mysteries, World Fair Venues (for an NS World Fair which I founded and was simultaneously running) etc. etc. etc.. In media, I was a longstanding editor in chief; I've written 44% of all of the articles published in the entirety of the Rejected Times history. I served dutifully (but not happily) as Orientation Officer as a youngling, but it was when I was delegate that I was in a position to encourage people to join and participate more intimately in the workings of their government - which I did relentlessly.

*lights a big cigar, shrieking like a banshee*

Regrets. I've had a few
But then again, too few to mention!!!!!!!!!!
But dig, what I have to do
I'll see it through with no devotion
Of that, take care and just
Be careful along the highway
And more, much more than thisssssssssssss

*kicks a hole into the monitor, as the curtains are set ablaze*

The forum and the region was at the height of its activity when I departed. A part of that orientation meant building in-game resources: interactive dispatches which were more comprehensive than had been done by another Game-Created Region before I did it. I strongly believed in including all of the region in its cultural and social activity - I participated very little in IRC communication for TRR; I'm skeptical of the "Discordianization" of TRR just as much as I was of the "IRC-ization" of TRR - I believe in a big in-game tent that engages every wayward soul in the region. More systemically, I also played a role in the development of the region's fundamental personality, its values, its language, and its symbolism. I've always been an ardent champion for individual rights and freedoms, in addition to the central ethos and raison d'être of the Rejected Realms as an open and liberal place of refuge: "A Society of Rejects."

As for the motto, people have wrongfully attributed it to me here. I proposed it, but I did not write it. The motto is a WWII slogan. It was my father's favourite saying and my grandfather's before him. It encapsulates the Rejected Realms' defiance of, and perseverance against illegitimate authority and opposition. It comes as a personal reminder to always fight back.

*tosses his cigar and his wig aside unceremoniously* You don't understand the region you're invoking: its individualism, its subversiveness, its convictions. If you want to come at me, come at me with something that might land. I wasn't a great person, I was never a stateman, but I was - and always will be - a great fucking reject.

I´m sure you knew
When there was but but
Fucking else to do
But through it all,
When there was doubt
I shot it up or kicked it out
I faced the wall, and the wall
And did it my wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.......

[The Church of Satan]

You should better familiarize yourself with regional law Vult. Article 2 of The Charter of Civil Rights and Responsibilities gives residents and citizens the same civil rights. A lot of people forget about our laws that exist outside the constitution so I don't fault you for it.

I won't fault you for disagreeing on the matter though. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and just because ours are in opposition to one another doesn't mean we should be in opposition to each other. So I appreciate your calmness towards me in the matter.

[Wabbitslayah]

Just to make it clear, regardless of Unibot, TRR's executive administration views gameside rejects as valid as forumside citizens.

[All Wild Things]

That Rock, Paper, Scissors could do with a come back though. I've had it on my to-do list for over a year, but I don't think I'm likely to get it done. Here's hoping the new delegate sets up a game!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=375312

[Drop Your Pants]

Oh god who let Uni go into another ego trip, stop mentioning him and hopefully he'll go back to his hole.

[Harenhime]

Delegate elections should actually begin in just a few hours, as we hit one week since the first challenge.

There are now nine candidates in the running:

Tupe
Neq
Church of Satan
CrazyGirl
Harenhime
Manson
Canton
Wop
Fratt

[Cormactopia Prime]

Glad to see Fratt stepped up to derail the subversion train. Best of luck to him.

[Lord Dominator]

Certainly been an interesting campaign season in TRR, don't think they normally get this much outside attention

[Catalyse]

Glad to see Fratt stepped up to derail the subversion train. Best of luck to him.

If you removed fratt from the ballots cast so far Souls wouldn't be any nearer to being elected.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Glad to see Fratt stepped up to derail the subversion train. Best of luck to him.

If you removed fratt from the ballots cast so far Souls wouldn't be any nearer to being elected.

Then my work here is done.

[Kyorgia]

[Wabbitslayah]

-snip-

Omg Kyo. You made my night.

[Benjabobaria]

Very nice meme Kyo.

[Consular]

(Image)

Hahaha perfect

[Glacikaldr]

"If elected, Kyo will be made Head of Propaganda."

Anyway, I think it's worth mentioning that Wabbitslayah is still the Delegate and people can just vote 'nay' to essentially vote for Wabbit instead - seeing how he hasn't resigned AFAIK, but has simply not challenged.

Of course, seeing how the current Speaker, Cat, is an evil FRA cabalist and doesn't like how wabbit has swayed away from FRA-dogmatism, I don't believe this has mentioned in the election thread.

#JusticeForWabbit

[Catalyse]

It only works like that when there's only one candidate vs an incumbent or vacancy.

[Glacikaldr]

It only works like that when there's only one candidate vs an incumbent or vacancy.

Ah okay, fair enough. Carry on. Wabbit is still a FRA-puppet, nevermind.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Congratulations to Frattastan upon his election as Delegate. That was a close race; it was fun to watch as an outside observer. Good luck with your term!

[Alkasia]

Congrats and thank you to Fratt for making it so I didn't have to put CG at the top of my ballot.

[RiderSyl]

Yay Fratt

[Lord Dominator]

Good for Fratt I guess

[Flanderlion]

Ewww Fratt. Congrats btw. Was closer than I expected though.