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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:37 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Being a victim of a TI occupation is miles worse than being the victim of a TBH occupation.
I know acting like an uninformed shitposter is your shtick, Tupe, but maybe once in a while you should give it a rest.

But we're talking about SPSF, no one mentioned TBH at all. Take your own advice ;)

I was also confused about that, not that I'd be averse to having potential access to SPSF's update force ;)
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:42 pm

Tupelope wrote:a raid is a raid no matter the severity of it. it dont matter what u do with the place once u get it, its still a fucking raid.


This is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that lead to tag raiding taking over the game.

Drop Your Pants wrote:But we're talking about SPSF, no one mentioned TBH at all. Take your own advice ;)


When I read poorly constructed criticism of raiding, it's normally directed at TBH, so I mentioned them by accident. It's obvious I was talking about the SPSF, same as Tupe was. My slip-up is clearly different than deliberately comparing nice orgs to The Invaders out of ignorance, but sure DYP.

(It's a weird situation when I'm verbally defending TSP)
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Postby Consular » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:16 am

Man you guys are really goin for that bait today huh

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Postby Tupelope » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Tupelope wrote:a raid is a raid no matter the severity of it. it dont matter what u do with the place once u get it, its still a fucking raid.


This is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that lead to tag raiding taking over the game.

????????????????????????????? and thats bad because????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Postby Wabbitslayah » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:00 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Tupelope wrote:a raid is a raid no matter the severity of it. it dont matter what u do with the place once u get it, its still a fucking raid.


This is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that lead to tag raiding taking over the game.


Uh, except Tupe's kind of thinking is that Raiding is bad and shouldn't exist. Nice try.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
This is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that lead to tag raiding taking over the game.


Uh, except Tupe's kind of thinking is that Raiding is bad and shouldn't exist. Nice try.


TIL that if you're anti-raiding you can't possibly use the same shitty logic that raiders do
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:42 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:
Uh, except Tupe's kind of thinking is that Raiding is bad and shouldn't exist. Nice try.


TIL that if you're anti-raiding you can't possibly use the same shitty logic that raiders do

Which somehow creates tag raiding. :eyebrow:

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:49 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
TIL that if you're anti-raiding you can't possibly use the same shitty logic that raiders do

Which somehow creates tag raiding. :eyebrow:


I honestly think you're smarter than this, so I'm just going to assume you're misunderstanding me on purpose and move on.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:19 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:Which somehow creates tag raiding. :eyebrow:


I honestly think you're smarter than this, so I'm just going to assume you're misunderstanding me on purpose and move on.

Maybe I'm daft, but I literally don't get what you're trying to say. If you want to leave it at this, that's fine.

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Postby Malphe » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:28 am

Wabbitslayah wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
I honestly think you're smarter than this, so I'm just going to assume you're misunderstanding me on purpose and move on.

Maybe I'm daft, but I literally don't get what you're trying to say. If you want to leave it at this, that's fine.

I don't think either of you were on the same page :P
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Postby Fauxia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:53 pm

So... what will you do with England now?
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Postby Deadeye Jack » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:19 pm

Fauxia wrote:So... what will you do with England now?


They're going home

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Postby Tupelope » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:20 pm

Deadeye Jack wrote:
Fauxia wrote:So... what will you do with England now?


They're going home

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:34 pm

Deadeye Jack wrote:
Fauxia wrote:So... what will you do with England now?


They're going home

We're coming home, we're coming, England's coming home
We're coming home, we're coming home, we're coming, England's coming home, we're...


Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping

They think they know the score
They've never seen it before
They just know, they're so sure
That England's gonna win it today, win the World Cup their way
But we've just seen them play, and we remember

Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping

So much for SPIT, so much for salt
And all of England's faults
Weighed them down, hailed halts
But I remember the slip-up from Green and Lamps' goal was unseen
The Sun's deflated ball, and I'm still shouting

Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping

TSP have defended it, in the last minute of major update!
What a raid! WHAT A RAID!


I know that was then, but it's not yet again...

We're coming home, we're coming, England's coming home
We're coming home, we're coming home, we're coming, England's coming home, we're...


Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping
Three lions on the shirt, Jules Rimet was stolen
Fifty years of hurt, TSP's still hoping...


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Postby Escade » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:31 pm

It's between France and Croatia now, yes?

So like at this rate whichever team the majority of TSP roots for will lose (twice cursed) so....:P

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Postby Wopruthien » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:03 am

Escade wrote:It's between France and Croatia now, yes?

So like at this rate whichever team the majority of TSP roots for will lose (twice cursed) so....:P


OOh pick France please.
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Postby Tim Stark » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:50 am

Escade wrote:It's between France and Croatia now, yes?

So like at this rate whichever team the majority of TSP roots for will lose (twice cursed) so....:P

Yeah, with how our luck picking teams has been, I hope we pick France so my newfound bandwagon hype for Croatia can live on :P
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:32 am

Are you the guys that jinxed England? I was looking forward to an epic Franco-English showdown.

Wopruthien wrote:
Escade wrote:It's between France and Croatia now, yes?

So like at this rate whichever team the majority of TSP roots for will lose (twice cursed) so....:P


OOh pick France please.

Don't you dare >:[
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Postby Escade » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:40 am

Aclion wrote:Are you the guys that jinxed England? I was looking forward to an epic Franco-English showdown.

Wopruthien wrote:
OOh pick France please.

Don't you dare >:[


Well TSP chose Germany and then England so yeah twice jinxed.

I chose Brazil and Spain and Portugal and Japan and South Korea and now {...} as to unjinx...

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Postby Southern Bellz » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:21 am

allez les blues!!!!!

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Postby Escade » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:27 pm

France celebrates now, so wishes do come true ^.^

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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:22 pm

Hey, I hear you all layer up some juicy proscriptions.
I'm sure those of us who can't be arsed (I can) to spend a minute or two on your forums would love to hear about them here ;)
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Postby Tim Stark » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:39 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Hey, I hear you all layer up some juicy proscriptions.
I'm sure those of us who can't be arsed (I can) to spend a minute or two on your forums would love to hear about them here ;)

Thanks for the free bumpb, but I imagine you can use your noggin to find better ways to reach out to our FA minister about embassy updates ;)
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:17 am

Wait, why are you proscribing TNP?
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:32 am

Good evening.

I'd like to protest several elements of your pending proscription of me.

I'll begin by laying out a few relevant bits of information from your public forums.




The following regions and individuals will be immediately proscribed. The criteria mentioned below relate to Article 1 of the Proscription Act, which lay out the Acts of Hostility that establish eligibility for proscription.

Ever-Wandering Souls of The Black Hawks (criteria 1, 3, 4)
A)Outright considers TSP an enemy force as-is
B)Attempted to manipulate the SPSF in 2016 by using unrelated incidents to get Imki
C)Is the singular reason why TWP proscribed his entire region, relating to ill-suited conduct during a joint raid.
D)Is the singular reason why TEP (an ally) proscribed his entire region, relating to blackmailing the EPSA military commander
E)Sensitive intelligence suggests he has conspired, or is conspiring to, overthrow the Coalition and "cleanse" it.


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Proscription Act
An Act to grant authority to declare hostile persons or organizations prohibited from entering or residing in the Coalition
1. Acts of Hostility

(1) Any individual, region or organization that was or is actively involved or complicit in an attempt, successful or otherwise, to illegally overthrow the legitimate government of The South Pacific or its allies and partners, shall be considered hostile.

(2) Any individual, region or organization that has coordinated to exploit, manipulate, or unduly influence elections or votes in The South Pacific, or its allies and partners, on behalf of a foreign region or organization shall be considered hostile.

(3) Any individual, region or organization that has engaged in or has attempted to engage in coordinated espionage against The South Pacific or its allies and partners shall be considered hostile.

(4) Any individual, region or organization that has or has attempted to sabotage military operations of The South Pacific, outside of normal raiding and defending dynamics, shall be considered hostile.


(5) Any individual that is an agent acting on behalf of a foreign region or organization to the detriment of The South Pacific shall be considered hostile.





I have several issues with the content of the proscription, which I will address thoroughly.




>Even taken at face value, item A is more relevant to the region The Black Hawks, as "The South Pacific is considered hostile in terms of Gameplay by The Black Hawks" is a statement of formal TBH position, not particularly of my personal views. It's odd, therefore to see it applied only to me, unlike later line items in this proscription list which are applied to entire invader regions.

>Item A does not, as far as I can tell, carry any inherent violation of Proscription Act lines 1, 3, or 4, as cited. It does not include any attempt to overthrow the government, "sabotage the military outside of normal R&D dynamics," or particularly acting to the detriment of the region. It is merely a statement of how we classify your military in terms of Allied, Opposed, or Other.




>Item B (besides being an incomplete, nonsense sentence, I can only assume) is nonsense. As Discussed Previously, concerns regarding the at the time pending possibility of TBH and the SPSF working together were raised with their military leader at the time, who then validated said concerns, apologized, and said the causes for concern would not happen again. I know that Roavin has enjoyed twisting that interaction for years now, but I continue to be happy to share the actual content of that conversation to easily disprove the more salacious claims stemming from it.

>Item B again does not, as far as I can tell, carry any inherent violation of Proscription Act lines 1, 3, or 4, as cited. Assuming the intended relevant section is section 4, then even ignoring that characterizing that interaction as an "attempt to manipulate the SPSF" is incredibly disingenuous, discussion of concerns re:potentially working together, and what would be required on behalf of the SPSF for TBH to consider such, are entirely within "normal raiding and defending dynamics." Such conversations occur on an absolutely regular basis.




>Items C and D refer to proscriptions which never once had any formal reasoning cited on record, and assign them reasons.

>The proscriptions mentioned in items C and D have both been revoked by their issuing organizations, without further public explanation.

>I'd love to dispute the claims being made in items C and D. As was requested of the regions in question many times without delivery, details specific claims there and I'll be happy to counter them. Item D, "blackmail," is particularly disingenuous. Whether you're referring to GreyGhost (who was the deputy MOFA during most of these incidents, afaik) or Elfin, I doubt either would still be my friends today if I'd had a habit of blackmailing them.

>Yet again, and particularly strongly in this case, I see absolutely no way in which Items C and D, even taken at face value, are relevant to "criteria 1, 3, 4" of the Proscription Act. Neither accuse me of attempting to overthrow the governments of any allies of TSP, or of committing espionage against them.




>Item E, as with Item A, taken at face value should apply to the region, not to me as an individual. I do not generally individually conspire to overthrow any regions, but rather organize operations on behalf of The Black Hawks. And, to additionally note, Rai has been head of the Talon Division of TBH for quite some time, placing him in charge of any and all TBH sleeper operations, infiltration, etc etc. My roles in Terra Division are mainly technical these days, mucking with forum conversion and recruitment namely.

>I'd love to see evidence of this item. As far as I know, I'm not currently orchestrating any large or small scale efforts with the aim of overthrow the government of TSP, or even like, influencing votes there, or hell even just to make anyone there particularly ill and annoyed. I've enjoyed rumors of y'alls internal politics being a toxic mess recently, but that's about as far as my catharsis against your region has gone.

>At least this line is actually relevant to the Proscription Act.




Despite how honored I am to top your list of pending proscriptions, compared to the solid facts delivered in your other proposed prescriptions, I'm left feeling disappointed at best. Particularly in the relevancy to the actual proscription act, given that only one of the five claims made even is relevant to it, and said claim relies on "Sensitive intelligence" not detailed, rather than on generally solid facts named in your other pending items. If you're going to ban me from my original native home, but also from a place which I have not set foot in as a member since Milograd ejected me years ago, I would appreciate it if you at least laid some solid groundwork for doing so.
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