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Postby Malphe » Mon May 14, 2018 3:27 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Tupelope wrote:RRA dead, TITO does what TITO does with TITO, SPSF is basically TGW with tagging, wtf is a SDF, liliarchy said LILY are raiders and liliarchy said liliarchy is busy with rl or somethin


So what you’re saying is, The NPA, with its frequent detag runs of 4-6 people for the last couple months, is currently the height of defending?

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Postby RiderSyl » Mon May 14, 2018 5:15 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Tupelope wrote:RRA dead, TITO does what TITO does with TITO, SPSF is basically TGW with tagging, wtf is a SDF, liliarchy said LILY are raiders and liliarchy said liliarchy is busy with rl or somethin


So what you’re saying is, The NPA, with its frequent detag runs of 4-6 people for the last couple months, is currently the height of defending?


It's why your Iran "raid" ( :p ) went uncontested for as long as it did. There's been an ongoing clusterfuck of real-life distractions and non-GP obligations in the defendersphere that has created this lull in update activity. Personally, I think the overall command structure of defender efforts is too centralized, leading to the lulls in activity being way too harsh when they happen (like this one is), but whatever.
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Postby Liliarchy » Tue May 15, 2018 5:04 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:What about The RRA? TITIO? SPSF? SDF? Or even Lily, who iirc swore to combat all of our operations going forwards?

Didn't swear anything. Explicitly said that I reserve the right to decide in which ones we participate.
Iran, the dead region it is, means nothing to me. You can keep it. We have other fun stuff going on.

Also tnks Toop, can confirm I said we r raiders and that RL bit me.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 7:49 am

Liliarchy wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:What about The RRA? TITIO? SPSF? SDF? Or even Lily, who iirc swore to combat all of our operations going forwards?

Didn't swear anything. Explicitly said that I reserve the right to decide in which ones we participate.
Iran, the dead region it is, means nothing to me. You can keep it. We have other fun stuff going on.

Also tnks Toop, can confirm I said we r raiders and that RL bit me.



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  • Furthermore, Lily will always join defender efforts if a region finds itself under an occupation by The black hawks.
    (Supreme Command members reserve the ability to overrule this policy if said region is not found to be desirable for liberations)


I see, so you didn’t help the (very poor) liberation efforts made because you’re executing your reserved right to declare Iran “undesirable,” becuase it’s dead. And it’s dead, because no one bothered to properly defend it as they once promised. So you’re not going to defend it becuase no one bothered to defend it. Hm.
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Felt Karpit » Tue May 15, 2018 8:31 am

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5/13 Major: Jay did training and Felt did a short regular run

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The Black Hawks set out on a short training flight, followed by a quicker, lengthier flight through some regions.

Major Captain Alexander (trigger 1)
Sergeant Felt Karpit (trigger 2)
Corporal Eriadni
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West Communist Union
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Unicornsss Land
Do What You Will
The Most Holy Region Of The Slg
Canceria
The Mountains To The East
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Plantegenet
Kuiper
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5/14 Minor, Mcchimp's first time triggering

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McChimp leads some friends to a cafe

Today The Black Hawks went out for a nice hot lunch. They had risotto, a crisp white and all of the natives they could find!

Lucky diners:
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SGT Felt Karpit
PFC Aav in TBH

Courses:
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Alnueq
The Worst Region
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5/14 Major, Just another one of Felt's runs

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You hear the flapping of wings, and you realize that The Black Hawks flew into your region! Now there are hawks everywhere. But you know, this is actually a good thing. Support your local nature.

Hawks:
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Onomatopia
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East Siberia
Siora
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Against The People
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue May 15, 2018 9:01 am

There is rlly no urgent nor important need to liberate Iran. It has been pass worded for almost half a decade making it difficult for natives to come back or have a real interested natives to come. If u look at some non major RL countries these regions don't sustain much activity so no need for defenders to be beholden to a SC resolution. Obviously some countries r different because of their cultural significance but there's a really small niche for this one
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 9:13 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:There is rlly no urgent nor important need to liberate Iran. It has been pass worded for almost half a decade making it difficult for natives to come back or have a real interested natives to come. If u look at some non major RL countries these regions don't sustain much activity so no need for defenders to be beholden to a SC resolution. Obviously some countries r different because of their cultural significance but there's a really small niche for this one


Just like with Lili, it’s really handy how the narrative changes from along the lines of “it’s our duty!” to more like “well they don’t deserve to be defended anyways” in a region that’s done nothing wrong, about the time that defenders have failed.
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Festavo wrote:Maybe another day. I have to wat.

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
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Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Devi Vytherin » Tue May 15, 2018 9:17 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:There is rlly no urgent nor important need to liberate Iran. It has been pass worded for almost half a decade making it difficult for natives to come back or have a real interested natives to come. If u look at some non major RL countries these regions don't sustain much activity so no need for defenders to be beholden to a SC resolution. Obviously some countries r different because of their cultural significance but there's a really small niche for this one

I assume this explains why you've sent several puppets into Iran over the past few weeks. :blush:
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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 am

You’ve maybe heard of....
A Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did...
You deserved it.


So here’s...
A Defender’s Prayer
We can block that raid.
And if we can’t, we can liberate it.
And if that fails, we’ll keep trying.
And if it doesn’t work, the pile is too big.
And if it‘s not, we’re busy with more important stuff.
And if we’re not...
They deserved it.
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Festavo wrote:Maybe another day. I have to wat.

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby The Stalker » Tue May 15, 2018 9:26 am

Seems to me Iran was doomed to be a warzone after it was liberated. Everytime defenders do kick raiders out, they just return shortly after. With no natives no matter how many times defenders free the region you can just return with ease. Only way to "free" Iran would be to move in 30-40 wa nations and never leave.

I almost wonder if it's a diabolical plot to trick raiders into wasting their time on a dead region lol.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 9:33 am

The Stalker wrote:Seems to me Iran was doomed to be a warzone after it was liberated. Everytime defenders do kick raiders out, they just return shortly after. With no natives no matter how many times defenders free the region you can just return with ease. Only way to "free" Iran would be to move in 30-40 wa nations and never leave.

I almost wonder if it's a diabolical plot to trick raiders into wasting their time on a dead region lol.


Seemed like things were going pretty well off the bat until the point where the defenders helping it grow only pulled halfassedly and let us steal it from then :P

No one ever bothered to come back and finish the job after we left, though. As quoted prior, the plan was quite literally “sit, wait, and hope the raiders cte.”

The one time they did use *the BC I gave them* to kick some people out and retake the delegacy, it’s hardly fair to blame us for retaking the region and unbanning our folks when they didn’t bring in any more endorsements at all, and we waltzed in not even on a trigger to lazily take it back. Five, 6 endos, or even just continuing to use BC, could have helped that.

It had a few natives, until all the raids made ‘em give up. As is, some high influence native nations remain.

The best way to free it would have been as defenders said in the initial lib thread -

Tim wrote:Realistically, I imagine we're looking at a prolonged piler deployment to remove invader nations coupled with an active search for natives of the region that are still present on the game. Then, depending on the wishes of the legitimate native community, you're either looking at them existing in a Liberated state or a repeal of this liberation so as to enable legitimate natives to password and refound via the help of defenders.
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Festavo wrote:Maybe another day. I have to wat.

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby The Stalker » Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 am

Yea exactly though, they spent over a month holding the region, only way they could have kept it free was to keep 30-40 wa nations in there forever.

I don't think Iran ever had any real devoted natives unless you're counting the inactive ones in there prior to the liberation, regions just made up of defender and raider puppets. Even if they had removed all the puppets it take all of 2-3 nations to re-raid it.

Pretty brilliant if it was their plan though, I could just liberate some dead region and then raiders can obsesse over it for months ignoring actual communities.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 10:02 am

The Stalker wrote:Yea exactly though, they spent over a month holding the region, only way they could have kept it free was to keep 30-40 wa nations in there forever.

I don't think Iran ever had any real devoted natives unless you're counting the inactive ones in there prior to the liberation, regions just made up of defender and raider puppets. Even if they had removed all the puppets it take all of 2-3 nations to re-raid it.

Pretty brilliant if it was their plan though, I could just liberate some dead region and then raiders can obsesse over it for months ignoring actual communities.


Blame them for spending that month ineffectively then, rather than following through with a plan like “occupy, repeal lib, clear, refound.” Not confident yet in Iramerica as founder? Well, having a defender hold it in the interm was the plan for Greece. As above, it was even stated that a refound was one potential path. Failure to settle on a direction and execute it is a failure on part of their leadership. They could have been gone and done with it by the time we raided it.

They trusted Iramerica enough to be the delegate repeatedly, at least. Again, could have gone through with making him the founder, by piling a bit harder and ending the saga for good after a month. If we can clear out and refound Westphalia in about that time window, they could have done it for Iran no sweat. And we literally did. The ops started at the same time, to the update iirc, and we raided Iran from them after finishing in Westphalia. Westphalia was a lot bigger with a lot more influence. There was no need for Iran to even still be founderless by the time we hit it.

Would be, if it wasn’t explicitly the laziest raid I’ve ever orchestrated, and lowest priority behind even a tag run. It’s been used as a time-filler, more fun than sitting idle in our JP between missions. :P
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Festavo wrote:Maybe another day. I have to wat.

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
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http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby HMS Cairo » Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
The Stalker wrote:Yea exactly though, they spent over a month holding the region, only way they could have kept it free was to keep 30-40 wa nations in there forever.

I don't think Iran ever had any real devoted natives unless you're counting the inactive ones in there prior to the liberation, regions just made up of defender and raider puppets. Even if they had removed all the puppets it take all of 2-3 nations to re-raid it.

Pretty brilliant if it was their plan though, I could just liberate some dead region and then raiders can obsesse over it for months ignoring actual communities.


Blame them for spending that month ineffectively then, rather than following through with a plan like “occupy, repeal lib, clear, refound.” Not confident yet in Iramerica as founder? Well, having a defender hold it in the interm was the plan for Greece. As above, it was even stated that a refound was one potential path. Failure to settle on a direction and execute it is a failure on part of their leadership. They could have been gone and done with it by the time we raided it.

They trusted Iramerica enough to be the delegate repeatedly, at least. Again, could have gone through with making him the founder, by piling a bit harder and ending the saga for good after a month. If we can clear out and refound Westphalia in about that time window, they could have done it for Iran no sweat.

Would be, if it wasn’t explicitly the laziest raid I’ve ever orchestrated, and lowest priority behind even a tag run. It’s been used as a time-filler, more fun than sitting idle in our JP between missions. :P


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Postby The Stalker » Tue May 15, 2018 11:44 am

Iran seems like an epic waste of time for both sides, and regardless of defenders original plan, seems like a bigger win to let raiders waste their time in a dead region.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue May 15, 2018 11:51 am

Congrats to Valkyrie for winning last week’s poll, “Why haven’t defenders liberated Iran?” with her submission of “Bees?” narrowly edging out “After taking over as First Warden, Vinny pulled TGW out of the TERRIBLE Iran deal.” You go girl!

A new poll for this week is now up, with (mostly) new submissions!
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Festavo wrote:Maybe another day. I have to wat.

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue May 15, 2018 1:13 pm

What “other obligations” are keeping defenders so busy?

I can think of a CAH answer way better than "Bees?" as a poll response for this question, but unfortunately it's not appropriate for all age groups.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue May 15, 2018 3:05 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
What “other obligations” are keeping defenders so busy?

I can think of a CAH answer way better than "Bees?" as a poll response for this question, but unfortunately it's not appropriate for all age groups.

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Postby Serboro » Tue May 15, 2018 3:53 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Congrats to Valkyrie for winning last week’s poll, “Why haven’t defenders liberated Iran?” with her submission of “Bees?” narrowly edging out “After taking over as First Warden, Vinny pulled TGW out of the TERRIBLE Iran deal.” You go girl!

A new poll for this week is now up, with (mostly) new submissions!

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Postby Liliarchy » Tue May 15, 2018 8:34 pm

Defending is not and never was our duty.

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Postby Syberis » Wed May 16, 2018 9:24 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
What “other obligations” are keeping defenders so busy?

I can think of a CAH answer way better than "Bees?" as a poll response for this question, but unfortunately it's not appropriate for all age groups.


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