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Postby Hyggemata » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:57 pm

Gigaverse wrote:
Hyggemata wrote:-snip-

it's a circumflex

But you understand why it has to be a circumflex, right?
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Postby Gigaverse » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:58 pm

Hyggemata wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:it's a circumflex

But you understand why it has to be a circumflex, right?

Basically, yes. Though I can't say I'd memorize.
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Postby Hyggemata » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:00 pm

Gigaverse wrote:
Hyggemata wrote:But you understand why it has to be a circumflex, right?

Basically, yes. Though I can't say I'd memorize.

Don't feel constrained to my suggestion, though. There are dialects that do not contract vowels, like Ionic. You get used to them if you read Herodotus, which is a famously straightforward author.
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Postby Lemlar » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:26 pm

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Postby Demetland » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:31 pm

Lemlar wrote:United we stand, United we conquer.


Uniti stamus, vincimus uniti.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:38 pm

Hello. I'd like to ask if this is at all accurate. My fictional Vampiric species, Homo Nosferatu Noctivagus, has (obviously) a Latin scientific name.
Is it at all comprehensible? Should I change it in any way?

Thank you.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:08 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hello. I'd like to ask if this is at all accurate. My fictional Vampiric species, Homo Nosferatu Noctivagus, has (obviously) a Latin scientific name.
Is it at all comprehensible? Should I change it in any way?

Thank you.


I don't know if it's what I would have come up with. I'll say it's mostly serviceable for your purposes, though. I don't know the specifics of your Vampires, but I might change it to something like Homo Nosferatensis noctivagus or something, just so that the "Nosferatu" looks a little less tacked on and resembles other scientific names a little more closely.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:11 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hello. I'd like to ask if this is at all accurate. My fictional Vampiric species, Homo Nosferatu Noctivagus, has (obviously) a Latin scientific name.
Is it at all comprehensible? Should I change it in any way?

Thank you.


I don't know if it's what I would have come up with. I'll say it's mostly serviceable for your purposes, though. I don't know the specifics of your Vampires, but I might change it to something like Homo Nosferatensis noctivagus or something, just so that the "Nosferatu" looks a little less tacked on and resembles other scientific names a little more closely.

Thank you.
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Postby Gigaverse » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:21 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
I don't know if it's what I would have come up with. I'll say it's mostly serviceable for your purposes, though. I don't know the specifics of your Vampires, but I might change it to something like Homo Nosferatensis noctivagus or something, just so that the "Nosferatu" looks a little less tacked on and resembles other scientific names a little more closely.

Thank you.

Just to add, you might want to write everything after Homo in lowercase to conform to scientific norms.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:35 pm

Not a motto, but since you guys are the only Latin masters that I know:

How would I be able to say, Before the Calamity and After the Calamity, in Latin?

I want to use them for a calendar era, kinda like how Anno Domini works.
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Postby Demetland » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:Not a motto, but since you guys are the only Latin masters that I know:

How would I be able to say, Before the Calamity and After the Calamity, in Latin?

I want to use them for a calendar era, kinda like how Anno Domini works.


Ante Calamitāte and Post Calamitātem.

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Postby Great Nortend » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:10 am

'Sum qui sum et quod volo esse' might work, or if you replace 'volo' with 'eligo'.
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Postby Demetland » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:17 am

Great Nortend wrote:'Sum qui sum et quod volo esse' might work, or if you replace 'volo' with 'eligo'.


(Ego) sum (is) qui (ego) sum et quem (me) esse volo.

Something like this perhaps?

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Postby Danceria » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:20 am

What is the Latin translation for "Don't mind me, I'm just making sure I keep an eye on this so I can educate myself in Latin"?
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Postby Great Nortend » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:17 am

Demetland wrote:
Great Nortend wrote:'Sum qui sum et quod volo esse' might work, or if you replace 'volo' with 'eligo'.


(Ego) sum (is) qui (ego) sum et quem (me) esse volo.

Something like this perhaps?

Quem is the masculine accusative. It thought it should be in the nominative, as it is the complement of 'esse', isn't it?. I never really got when to use neuter and when to use masculine for abstract concepts and pronouns as a whole baffle me. You're probably right though; I didn't do Latin in school.

EDIT: Oh I see what you've done. 'Me' agrees with 'quem'. I hadn't thought of it like that. Shouldn't there be a 'se' in there?
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Postby Demetland » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:21 pm

Great Nortend wrote:
Demetland wrote:
(Ego) sum (is) qui (ego) sum et quem (me) esse volo.

Something like this perhaps?

Quem is the masculine accusative. It thought it should be in the nominative, as it is the complement of 'esse', isn't it?. I never really got when to use neuter and when to use masculine for abstract concepts and pronouns as a whole baffle me. You're probably right though; I didn't do Latin in school.

EDIT: Oh I see what you've done. 'Me' agrees with 'quem'. I hadn't thought of it like that. Shouldn't there be a 'se' in there?


Me and quem are accusatives because they are the objects of volo and form the accusative part of the accusative and infinitive construction: which I wish myself to be. To be honest I'm not sure of the Latinity of the phrase but it seems like it should constitute a passable attempt.

One of the problem with this phrase is that it has many elements in English which in Latin we would wish to omit and just leave implied, such as the demonstrative pronoun is. The essential structure is the rather sparse I am that with two separate relative clauses attached: which I am and which I want to be. Assuming the speaker to be a man (i.e. a person) the masculine is seems most natural.

The relative pronoun qui, quae, quod must agree with its antecedent (the noun or pronoun the relative clause relates to - in this instance is) in gender, number, and person; so it is simply the grammatical gender of the noun that determines which gender relative you use. Here we the masculine is rather than ea or id so we must have qui to go with it. So the other relative clause has to have the masculine relative pronoun as well since it too depends on the is.

is, ea, id being the demonstrative can mean he, she, it, but it can also mean this or that:

Is puer means that boy just as much as ea puella means that girl.

My only issue with your translation was the incongruity between the implied masculine is and explicit neuter quod.

Se is the third person reflexive pronoun: Is est is qui est et quem se esse vult. i.e. himself. But we're using the first person, so the accusative form of ego is used: me. Or perhaps the emphasised form memet.

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Postby Great Nortend » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:02 pm

Ah yes, the acc-inf construction. Always trips me up when it's combined with forms of esse.

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Postby Hyggemata » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:17 am

Tinhampton wrote:I am that which I am and choose to be (for Pro Valle, one of my puppets)

Sum qui sum que elego esse quem que.

This is my attempt.
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Postby Great Nortend » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:50 am

Can you use 'que' as a standalone word?

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Postby Hyggemata » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:29 am

Great Nortend wrote:Can you use 'que' as a standalone word?

Que means "and". I wrote it apart to indicate it more clearly.
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Postby Demetland » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:02 am

Hyggemata wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:I am that which I am and choose to be (for Pro Valle, one of my puppets)

Sum qui sum que elego esse quem que.

This is my attempt.


That's not how you use -que.

-que follows the word which, had you used et instead, et would have preceded.

So you've got:

Sum qui et sum elego esse et quem.

Also, the second -que seems redundant. Two -ques usually imply both ... and ...

If that is what you intended, it's not entirely incomprehensible. It's just not very charitable to put the ques in that position and expect everyone to sort it out.
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Postby Hyggemata » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:05 am

Demetland wrote:
Hyggemata wrote:Sum qui sum que elego esse quem que.

This is my attempt.


That's not how you use -que.

-que follows the word which, had you used et instead, et would have preceded.

So you've got:

Sum qui et sum elego esse et quem.

Also, the second -que seems redundant. Two -ques usually imply both ... and ...

If that is what you intended, it's not entirely incomprehensible. It's just not very charitable to put the ques in that position and expect everyone to sort it out.

I've always perceived que to be equivalent to τε in Greek.

οἶνόν τε μῆλόν τε ἀφίημι (I send wine and an apple).
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Postby Great Nortend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:37 am

You cannot use 'que' separately. It is an enclitic and must be attached to a word.

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Postby Hyggemata » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:11 am

Great Nortend wrote:You cannot use 'que' separately. It is an enclitic and must be attached to a word.

I spelled it sepaparely to emphasize its presence. I know it is an enclitic.
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