[Passed] Condemn Flag Thief

[Zhelezo]

It seems that most people here are in logical agreement. Yet, most of the WA has voted to condemn him. It seems that the majority of the WA are ignorant as to all of the circumstances and are just quick to condemn anyone without even reading the resolution. With that being said, I have lost hope in the ability to stop this bill from passing, however, I make a movement that we should work at repealing the resolution as soon as possible.

[Tiny plaidville]

The only reason that flags can be stolen is that this is nationstates, and in a real world situation, blatent flag theft like this from many different countries would be impossible. Therefore, any in character role-play arguments would be pointless. I just hate seeing this pathetic excuse used to justify a stupid resolution.
Plus, letting this joke proposal through sets a very dangerous precedent. Does this mean other idiots can waste our time with joke proposals, as long as they are well written? This resolution has the potential to ruin the SC, simply because if we allow this, then we have to allow waves of other idiots to put through dumb resolutions.

We should be repealing this as soon as possible.

[Maroza]

But commend and condemn are badges of achievements and flag thief has done something no one else had done, run around stealing flags. Unless the commend condemn does something to the nation then I don't see how it is anything more than a badge like all the other things you get from the census reports.

[Unibot II]

How a joke proposal made it this far is beyond me.

Um, we've passed many humorous resolutions before. Although humorous, I would not consider this a 'joke' because that is demeaning the actually long-held tradition of Flag Thief, he or she has been doing it for a long time and deserves some recognition in the manner that is most fitting -- in this case, the fit was a condemnation. Not all condemnations, OOC, have to be pissy spite against players, Rule IV has clearly established this.

The calls for a repeal are ridiculous, I've been drafting this for the past five months to make sure that the calls that 'you're not taking the SC seriously' were debunked. As much research and effort was put into this resolution as any of my other Security Council resolutions, I did so to ensure I am not disrespecting the Security Council. What would be a 'joke' and would be disrespectful to both the SC and the nominee, is if I had rushed a silly 'joke' proposal to condemn the Flag Thief. I chose not to do this, but instead I took my time to craft a well written resolution that, if interpreted IC, would be highly condemnatory. When writing out-of-character, Humor and Respect for this Assembly are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they can and ought to be compatible.

[Unibot II]

The only reason that flags can be stolen is that this is nationstates, and in a real world situation, blatent flag theft like this from many different countries would be impossible. Therefore, any in character role-play arguments would be pointless. I just hate seeing this pathetic excuse used to justify a stupid resolution.

No, flag imitation is an actual legitmate concern. There is very strict protocol about what flags, ships can fly in different waters to avoid misidentification. Furthermore, it is often touted as a violation of Jus Ad Bellum, to imitate another nation and invade one's self or another to spark public sentiments for war.

Plus, letting this joke proposal through sets a very dangerous precedent. Does this mean other idiots can waste our time with joke proposals, as long as they are well written? This resolution has the potential to ruin the SC, simply because if we allow this, then we have to allow waves of other idiots to put through dumb resolutions.

We should be repealing this as soon as possible.

Other idiots? The precedent for humor in resolutions has already been well established, this slippery slope is highly misguided. OOC, the intent is humorous and indeed, the condemnation, OOC, is friendly -- but with Rule IV, there is no reasonable way to recognize and appreciate the work of Flag Thief. If this precedent establishes that people who deserve recognition, can receive that recognition -- whether or not a humorless minority demean any possible fitting recognition of their history as a 'joke', I think that is -- in fact -- a very good precedent. It moves the SC away from unfriendly condemnations -- messy disagreements between players.

[Zhelezo]

He's not pretending to be countries though, he's just parodying their flag.

[Mahaj]

He's not pretending to be countries though, he's just parodying their flag.

Oh. My. God. That. Is. The. Whole. Point. Of. Flag. Thief.

[Unibot II]

He's not pretending to be countries though, he's just parodying their flag.

... A parody would be a mock flag, not an identical copy of a flag...

[Zhelezo]

I suppose my lack of sleep kind of got the better of me there. I hit my 24 hour mark 5 hours ago, excuse me. What I meant to say is, it's rather obvious that he isn't the nation due to his accomplishments/lack there of.

[Mahaj]

I suppose my lack of sleep kind of got the better of me there. I hit my 24 hour mark 5 hours ago, excuse me. What I meant to say is, it's rather obvious that he isn't the nation due to his accomplishments/lack there of.

OOC: You have to look at this proposal from an OOC perspective. Frankly I think thats how ALL SC resolutions should be looked at.

[Milograd]

I suppose my lack of sleep kind of got the better of me there. I hit my 24 hour mark 5 hours ago, excuse me. What I meant to say is, it's rather obvious that he isn't the nation due to his accomplishments/lack there of.

OOC: You have to look at this proposal from an OOC perspective. Frankly I think thats how ALL SC resolutions should be looked at.

OoC: Except for roleplaying Condemn/Commend resolutions. :<

[Zhelezo]

OOC: You have to look at this proposal from an OOC perspective. Frankly I think thats how ALL SC resolutions should be looked at.

Well, I've made a point to have as little of a "character" as possible. I'm a socialist in real life as well as in the game. So, with that being said, I still believe that this counts under free speech.

[Mahaj]

OOC: You have to look at this proposal from an OOC perspective. Frankly I think thats how ALL SC resolutions should be looked at.

OoC: Except for roleplaying Condemn/Commend resolutions. :<

Eh, I tend to dislike those. Doesn't mean I automatically vote against, I do try and make an informed vote, I just feel the SC has more of a gameplay bent and should be that way. My Personal Opinion^TM.

OOC: You have to look at this proposal from an OOC perspective. Frankly I think thats how ALL SC resolutions should be looked at.

Well, I've made a point to have as little of a "character" as possible. I'm a socialist in real life as well as in the game. So, with that being said, I still believe that this counts under free speech.

Why is that a problem? This condemnation is amusing and i like it.

[Zhelezo]

Why is that a problem? This condemnation is amusing and i like it.

Well, I suppose I shouldn't take too much offense to it so long as it doesn't interfere with his ability to play the game. I'm rather new, what exactly would a condemnation bring other than a new mark?

[Mahaj]

Why is that a problem? This condemnation is amusing and i like it.

Well, I suppose I shouldn't take too much offense to it so long as it doesn't interfere with his ability to play the game. I'm rather new, what exactly would a condemnation bring other than a new mark?

Recognition for what he did.

[Zhelezo]

Well, I suppose I shouldn't take too much offense to it so long as it doesn't interfere with his ability to play the game. I'm rather new, what exactly would a condemnation bring other than a new mark?

Recognition for what he did.

If anything, he should be commended. It's rather funny.

[Maroza]

Recognition for what he did.

If anything, he should be commended. It's rather funny.

The problem is we cannot commend thievery so condemn would be better.

[Flemingovia]

we commend invasion so why not thievery?

This is a silly proposal. I look forward to the usual instant repeal proposals.

[Corusant Sphere]

My 3 grosses.

I don't believe so many votes are For!

People who have voted For have no sense of humour. Remember it is only game. He isn't oppressive dictator who murders his people etc. He only has the same flag as some players. Many regions and nations have the same flags and don't make problems.
And this point with Violetism is ridiculous.

Completely stupid proposal, shame for SC.
SC should condemn only in serious cases!

[Mahaj]

we commend invasion so why not thievery?

This is a silly proposal. I look forward to the usual instant repeal proposals.

Not from me.

[Pyshoria]

(This post is directed at Corusant Sphere's poorly thought out comment)

I don't believe so many votes are For!

I sure can. If a horrible resolution based on freaking roleplay can pass (said resolution being "Condemn Blackhelm Confederacy"), I don't see why anything based on actual gameplay should fail. Also, you might want to work on your grammar.

People who have voted For have no sense of humour.

The majority of the people posting here might say the same about you. After all, you're the one blasting a joke resolution for being ridiculous.

Remember it is only game.

All your base are belong to us.

He isn't oppressive dictator who murders his people etc.

Oh no, some nation apparently is an oppresive dictatorship. Oh wait, there are another 40,000 of those on NS. (Yeah, not even gonna bother with pointing out horrible grammar from this point on)

He only has the same flag as some players. Many regions and nations have the same flags and don't make problems.

I'd say it's much worse than doing anything in roleplay. This criminal is STEALING national flags, and you think that (typing a few words into a thread/answering a few issues in a certian manner) is worse?

And this point with Violetism is ridiculous.

There are actual players who worship the almighty Violet, and your post might have offended them.

Completely stupid proposal, shame for SC.

This resolution had some intelligent thought put into it. That's more than I can say about a few recent resolutions.

SC should condemn only in serious cases!

Theft is much more serious than "roleplay crimes" are.

[Corusant Sphere]

Despite of your conceited post, I still think that Flag Thief should be commended, not condemned

[Sedgistan]

Despite of your conceited post, I still think that Flag Thief should be commended, not condemned

This proposal is like Condemn Der Fuhrer Dyszel, in that it's meant as a Commendation of the player's work, but the actions can only realistically be recognised in a Rule 4 compliant way (In Character) through a Condemnation.

[Corusant Sphere]

Thank you Sedgistan, I'll learn more about it.

[Ballotonia]

Despite of your conceited post, I still think that Flag Thief should be commended, not condemned

This proposal is like Condemn Der Fuhrer Dyszel, in that it's meant as a Commendation of the player's work, but the actions can only realistically be recognised in a Rule 4 compliant way (In Character) through a Condemnation.

While you may have a preference for a Condemnation over a Commendation, I do not see the link with Rule 4. That rule talks about the resolution being readable as coming from a nation, etc... It doesn't outlaw OOC. I believe there has been quite the ruckus in the SC to establish just that, it's not an 'Only RP Allowed' rule.

Ballotonia