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Osthia wrote:I say that we also put something up on II to show our discontent. Perhaps place sanctions on the nation immediately.

I'd prefer invasion, with a coalition raping his countryside and pillaging his women... But that's just me.

Also, he was week-banned not terribly long ago, so it'd be a bit before you heard from him.

Ceannairceach wrote:

Osthia wrote:I say that we also put something up on II to show our discontent. Perhaps place sanctions on the nation immediately.

I'd prefer invasion, with a coalition raping his countryside and pillaging his women... But that's just me.

Also, he was week-banned not terribly long ago, so it'd be a bit before you heard from him.

War With Kalasparata Could Leave Me in a sticky Spot.
To My shame I am One of the founders of the region where Kalasparata currently Resides (Don't Hate Us)

Ceannairceach wrote:

Osthia wrote:I say that we also put something up on II to show our discontent. Perhaps place sanctions on the nation immediately.

I'd prefer invasion, with a coalition raping his countryside and pillaging his women... But that's just me.

Also, he was week-banned not terribly long ago, so it'd be a bit before you heard from him.

Then he has a nice little message waiting for him in his box when he gets back XD

*Hates Floor* Just kidding

We send our approval of this. Kalasparata has been a thorn in everyone's side for far too long.

The Floor Kippers wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:I'd prefer invasion, with a coalition raping his countryside and pillaging his women... But that's just me.

Also, he was week-banned not terribly long ago, so it'd be a bit before you heard from him.

War With Kalasparata Could Leave Me in a sticky Spot.
To My shame I am One of the founders of the region where Kalasparata currently Resides (Don't Hate Us)

*Pats on back.* We could always kick him first. Also if there is a war on him, and it goes FT I would like permission to join in without fear of retribution from the rest of the region.

Kreanoltha wrote:We send our approval of this. Kalasparata has been a thorn in everyone's side for far too long.

I should have recommended adding a clause:

For continuosly being an annoying pain in the ass in "Want a Seal or Logo" thread by continuosly asking for money prints, business logos, communiques, etc etc.

Osthia wrote:

Kreanoltha wrote:We send our approval of this. Kalasparata has been a thorn in everyone's side for far too long.

I should have recommended adding a clause:

For continuosly being an annoying pain in the ass in "Want a Seal or Logo" thread by continuosly asking for money prints, business logos, communiques

we add "and Indirectly Causing two People To Abandon their Requests to said Thread"

I don't think Anyone in the Realm Would Fight For Him in the war if there was one, But don't quote me on that

The Floor Kippers wrote:

Osthia wrote:I should have recommended adding a clause:

we add "and Indirectly Causing two People To Abandon their Requests to said Thread"

Kreanoltha wrote:
*Pats on back.* We could always kick him first. Also if there is a war on him, and it goes FT I would like permission to join in without fear of retribution from the rest of the region.

I don't think Anyone in the Realm Would Fight For Him in the war if there was one, But don't quote me on that

Good to hear.

The Holy Technocracy of New Amerik is ashamed and dismayed at all of the people present, threatening war on a nation just because his national government might be insane. Tsk tsk. Yet another reason why we are proud not to be in such a close-minded institution as the WA.

For one, everyone seems to be so bothered that he's doing such experiments as "sending dogs into the earth" and "flinging antimatter at ships that refuse to stop". Honestly, now, is everyone so self-important that they think their Earth is the only Earth? For shame! If Kalasparata is, indeed, guilty of doing the above flinging-of-matter, and if you resided on the same earth, you would be dead by now.

'looks around'

Well now, I guess not. Therefore, quit complaining and just don't travel to his universe, then! Emperor-damming, I simply cannot stand it when people go out of the way to attack a gentle, harmless nation just because of the government's foolishness. You don't see us going out of our way to condemn all democratic nations just because they'll lead their citizens to death and decay in the long run, do you? No, no, if you choose to hold principles then apply them to yourselves, as well.

In addition, may we remind the WA that any nation of "sufficient" advanced status has their own personal collection of IGNORE weaponry at their disposal if they should so choose to not like a particular nation? And if a nation doesn't, then there's no help for fools such as yourself. The Holy Technocracy can simply not deal with those kinds of nations in diplomatic talks.

Then, may I ask, has anyone thought to examine the particular species of Kalasparatans in particular? Perhaps they regard not being able to breathe as a minor inconvinience. Perhaps they are so lucky that most of their citizens are unable to die out of sheer luck. Perhaps they are simply able to manipulate the time stream on a level that few other species are capable of, and thus reverse their mistakes. Now, yes, we recognize that occasionally you might be worried if your citizens pass by there, but clearly your citizens knew the risks when they traveled there.

In short, the Holy Technocracy would like to say stop being close-minded, if you even have the technology to reach it you should have IGNORE technology by now, and that you're all just condemning him without looking at possible species and cultural reasons for their behavior. The Holy Technocracy thusly condemns the WA for their actions in this matter.

The Way These Guys lob antimatter around They Are a Danger to the Multiverse As much as the Earth!

New Amerik wrote:For one, everyone seems to be so bothered that he's doing such experiments as "sending dogs into the earth" and "flinging antimatter at ships that refuse to stop". Honestly, now, is everyone so self-important that they think their Earth is the only Earth? For shame! If Kalasparata is, indeed, guilty of doing the above flinging-of-matter, and if you resided on the same earth, you would be dead by now.

((OOC: He claims that the Antimatter wouldn't destroy the earth, let alone his nation. Some bull about magnets and whatnot.))

New Amerik wrote:The Holy Technocracy of New Amerik is ashamed and dismayed at all of the people present, threatening war on a nation just because his national government might be insane. Tsk tsk. Yet another reason why we are proud not to be in such a close-minded institution as the WA.

For one, everyone seems to be so bothered that he's doing such experiments as "sending dogs into the earth" and "flinging antimatter at ships that refuse to stop". Honestly, now, is everyone so self-important that they think their Earth is the only Earth? For shame! If Kalasparata is, indeed, guilty of doing the above flinging-of-matter, and if you resided on the same earth, you would be dead by now.

'looks around'

Well now, I guess not. Therefore, quit complaining and just don't travel to his universe, then! Emperor-damming, I simply cannot stand it when people go out of the way to attack a gentle, harmless nation just because of the government's foolishness. You don't see us going out of our way to condemn all democratic nations just because they'll lead their citizens to death and decay in the long run, do you? No, no, if you choose to hold principles then apply them to yourselves, as well.

In addition, may we remind the WA that any nation of "sufficient" advanced status has their own personal collection of IGNORE weaponry at their disposal if they should so choose to not like a particular nation? And if a nation doesn't, then there's no help for fools such as yourself. The Holy Technocracy can simply not deal with those kinds of nations in diplomatic talks.

Then, may I ask, has anyone thought to examine the particular species of Kalasparatans in particular? Perhaps they regard not being able to breathe as a minor inconvinience. Perhaps they are so lucky that most of their citizens are unable to die out of sheer luck. Perhaps they are simply able to manipulate the time stream on a level that few other species are capable of, and thus reverse their mistakes. Now, yes, we recognize that occasionally you might be worried if your citizens pass by there, but clearly your citizens knew the risks when they traveled there.

In short, the Holy Technocracy would like to say stop being close-minded, if you even have the technology to reach it you should have IGNORE technology by now, and that you're all just condemning him without looking at possible species and cultural reasons for their behavior. The Holy Technocracy thusly condemns the WA for their actions in this matter.

Really? Gentle nations do not commit crimes against humanity. Harmless nations do not "dispose" of citizens who are either from blacklisted nations or not. We do not care if it is cultural to hurl dogs into the earth, it is not morally correct and it is still a violation of animal rights and, in regards to attack on human life, crimes against humanity. Explain that then. If it was "culturally" acceptable for Osthians to kill Amerikan diplomats and parade their heads throughout our streets, wouldn't YOU be upset and call it a violation of human rights?

- Mr. Justinian Invorno, Osthian Representative to the WA and Regional Delegate of the Commonwealth of Crowns

Ceannairceach wrote:

New Amerik wrote:For one, everyone seems to be so bothered that he's doing such experiments as "sending dogs into the earth" and "flinging antimatter at ships that refuse to stop". Honestly, now, is everyone so self-important that they think their Earth is the only Earth? For shame! If Kalasparata is, indeed, guilty of doing the above flinging-of-matter, and if you resided on the same earth, you would be dead by now.

((OOC: He claims that the Antimatter wouldn't destroy the earth, let alone his nation. Some bull about magnets and whatnot.))

OOC: Come on Doctor Who Fans Know that Matter + Antimatter = Huge Bang. That's how I found out. That Showed me How Much Damage a Recorder could do in an Antimatter universe

Osthia wrote:

New Amerik wrote:The Holy Technocracy of New Amerik is ashamed and dismayed at all of the people present, threatening war on a nation just because his national government might be insane. Tsk tsk. Yet another reason why we are proud not to be in such a close-minded institution as the WA.

For one, everyone seems to be so bothered that he's doing such experiments as "sending dogs into the earth" and "flinging antimatter at ships that refuse to stop". Honestly, now, is everyone so self-important that they think their Earth is the only Earth? For shame! If Kalasparata is, indeed, guilty of doing the above flinging-of-matter, and if you resided on the same earth, you would be dead by now.

'looks around'

Well now, I guess not. Therefore, quit complaining and just don't travel to his universe, then! Emperor-damming, I simply cannot stand it when people go out of the way to attack a gentle, harmless nation just because of the government's foolishness. You don't see us going out of our way to condemn all democratic nations just because they'll lead their citizens to death and decay in the long run, do you? No, no, if you choose to hold principles then apply them to yourselves, as well.

In addition, may we remind the WA that any nation of "sufficient" advanced status has their own personal collection of IGNORE weaponry at their disposal if they should so choose to not like a particular nation? And if a nation doesn't, then there's no help for fools such as yourself. The Holy Technocracy can simply not deal with those kinds of nations in diplomatic talks.

Then, may I ask, has anyone thought to examine the particular species of Kalasparatans in particular? Perhaps they regard not being able to breathe as a minor inconvinience. Perhaps they are so lucky that most of their citizens are unable to die out of sheer luck. Perhaps they are simply able to manipulate the time stream on a level that few other species are capable of, and thus reverse their mistakes. Now, yes, we recognize that occasionally you might be worried if your citizens pass by there, but clearly your citizens knew the risks when they traveled there.

In short, the Holy Technocracy would like to say stop being close-minded, if you even have the technology to reach it you should have IGNORE technology by now, and that you're all just condemning him without looking at possible species and cultural reasons for their behavior. The Holy Technocracy thusly condemns the WA for their actions in this matter.

Really? Gentle nations do not commit crimes against humanity. Harmless nations do not "dispose" of citizens who are either from blacklisted nations or not. We do not care if it is cultural to hurl dogs into the earth, it is not morally correct and it is still a violation of animal rights and, in regards to attack on human life, crimes against humanity. Explain that then. If it was "culturally" acceptable for Osthians to kill Amerikan diplomats and parade their heads throughout our streets, wouldn't YOU be upset and call it a violation of human rights?

- Mr. Justinian Invorno, Osthian Representative to the WA and Regional Delegate of the Commonwealth of Crowns

Unlike certain more naive nations, the Holy Technocracy actually looks at other nations before gauging threat or diplomatic contact. Were we to think about opening contact with your nation, we would first look at how you treated other diplomats. If you, thusly, mounted their heads, we would wisely decide not to open trade with you and no such event would happen.

The same thing can be said for the condemned nation in question. If you fear your diplomats being subject to their punishments, do not travel to their universe. de Sadev, how can your fool diplomats not see this? There are plenty of other nations out there that gladly impose their will and their beliefs on other nations, and you do not condemn them, but this nation does no such thing, only applies it's own laws within it's own space, and everyone suddenly has an urge to speak out? What is this madness?! Are your national leaders children, content to play in their own nations but, oh no, as suddenly as someone else does something that has the opportunity for you to complain about it, you have to get involved and claim that their nation should change their laws for your people? Bah! Just learn to ignore it.

And once again, those of you here do not, apparently, know the people of Kalasparata. They have never complained, they have never rebelled, and you do not even know what species they are. That people should automatically assume they are human and thus scheduled to human limits is absurd.

As such, the Holy Technocracy will be peacefully holding talks with Kalasparata over some of their rules, because we, at least, have ways to do so without violating laws out of sheer bull-headedness. Honestly, this hostility is amazing. The nations here sound
Iike the Blackhelm Confederacy, with Kalasparate being the nation with the oil.

Ceannairceach wrote:I'd prefer invasion, with a coalition raping his countryside and pillaging his women... But that's just me.

You pillage your way, we'll pillage ours
But war with Kala is not the answer, mainly because it always ends in frustration and retcons.

New Amerik wrote:

Osthia wrote:
Really? Gentle nations do not commit crimes against humanity. Harmless nations do not "dispose" of citizens who are either from blacklisted nations or not. We do not care if it is cultural to hurl dogs into the earth, it is not morally correct and it is still a violation of animal rights and, in regards to attack on human life, crimes against humanity. Explain that then. If it was "culturally" acceptable for Osthians to kill Amerikan diplomats and parade their heads throughout our streets, wouldn't YOU be upset and call it a violation of human rights?

- Mr. Justinian Invorno, Osthian Representative to the WA and Regional Delegate of the Commonwealth of Crowns

Unlike certain more naive nations, the Holy Technocracy actually looks at other nations before gauging threat or diplomatic contact. Were we to think about opening contact with your nation, we would first look at how you treated other diplomats. If you, thusly, mounted their heads, we would wisely decide not to open trade with you and no such event would happen.

The same thing can be said for the condemned nation in question. If you fear your diplomats being subject to their punishments, do not travel to their universe. de Sadev, how can your fool diplomats not see this? There are plenty of other nations out there that gladly impose their will and their beliefs on other nations, and you do not condemn them, but this nation does no such thing, only applies it's own laws within it's own space, and everyone suddenly has an urge to speak out? What is this madness?! Are your national leaders children, content to play in their own nations but, oh no, as suddenly as someone else does something that has the opportunity for you to complain about it, you have to get involved and claim that their nation should change their laws for your people? Bah! Just learn to ignore it.

And once again, those of you here do not, apparently, know the people of Kalasparata. They have never complained, they have never rebelled, and you do not even know what species they are. That people should automatically assume they are human and thus scheduled to human limits is absurd.

As such, the Holy Technocracy will be peacefully holding talks with Kalasparata over some of their rules, because we, at least, have ways to do so without violating laws out of sheer bull-headedness. Honestly, this hostility is amazing. The nations here sound
Iike the Blackhelm Confederacy, with Kalasparate being the nation with the oil.

Why do you keep mentioning "don't go to their universe"?
This is MT ya know. You DO know that right?

Sailsia wrote:

New Amerik wrote:
Unlike certain more naive nations, the Holy Technocracy actually looks at other nations before gauging threat or diplomatic contact. Were we to think about opening contact with your nation, we would first look at how you treated other diplomats. If you, thusly, mounted their heads, we would wisely decide not to open trade with you and no such event would happen.

The same thing can be said for the condemned nation in question. If you fear your diplomats being subject to their punishments, do not travel to their universe. de Sadev, how can your fool diplomats not see this? There are plenty of other nations out there that gladly impose their will and their beliefs on other nations, and you do not condemn them, but this nation does no such thing, only applies it's own laws within it's own space, and everyone suddenly has an urge to speak out? What is this madness?! Are your national leaders children, content to play in their own nations but, oh no, as suddenly as someone else does something that has the opportunity for you to complain about it, you have to get involved and claim that their nation should change their laws for your people? Bah! Just learn to ignore it.

And once again, those of you here do not, apparently, know the people of Kalasparata. They have never complained, they have never rebelled, and you do not even know what species they are. That people should automatically assume they are human and thus scheduled to human limits is absurd.

As such, the Holy Technocracy will be peacefully holding talks with Kalasparata over some of their rules, because we, at least, have ways to do so without violating laws out of sheer bull-headedness. Honestly, this hostility is amazing. The nations here sound
Iike the Blackhelm Confederacy, with Kalasparate being the nation with the oil.

Why do you keep mentioning "don't go to their universe"?
This is MT ya know. You DO know that right?

"Because the Realm of Unrestricted Science is a multiversal region.

Frenequesta has established diplomatic relations with Kalasparata, and our Ambassador, Roald G. Winkler, has telegrammed the nation in hopes that they will be willing to settle the concerns of the esteemed delegate from New Amerik.

New Amerik has a point, although I must add that the Kalasparata government would not have it in their interest to display people complaining, if they even had any."

--Lionel Ersthauer, Frenequestan Ambassador to the WA

Sailsia wrote:

New Amerik wrote:
Unlike certain more naive nations, the Holy Technocracy actually looks at other nations before gauging threat or diplomatic contact. Were we to think about opening contact with your nation, we would first look at how you treated other diplomats. If you, thusly, mounted their heads, we would wisely decide not to open trade with you and no such event would happen.

The same thing can be said for the condemned nation in question. If you fear your diplomats being subject to their punishments, do not travel to their universe. de Sadev, how can your fool diplomats not see this? There are plenty of other nations out there that gladly impose their will and their beliefs on other nations, and you do not condemn them, but this nation does no such thing, only applies it's own laws within it's own space, and everyone suddenly has an urge to speak out? What is this madness?! Are your national leaders children, content to play in their own nations but, oh no, as suddenly as someone else does something that has the opportunity for you to complain about it, you have to get involved and claim that their nation should change their laws for your people? Bah! Just learn to ignore it.

And once again, those of you here do not, apparently, know the people of Kalasparata. They have never complained, they have never rebelled, and you do not even know what species they are. That people should automatically assume they are human and thus scheduled to human limits is absurd.

As such, the Holy Technocracy will be peacefully holding talks with Kalasparata over some of their rules, because we, at least, have ways to do so without violating laws out of sheer bull-headedness. Honestly, this hostility is amazing. The nations here sound
Iike the Blackhelm Confederacy, with Kalasparate being the nation with the oil.

Why do you keep mentioning "don't go to their universe"?
This is MT ya know. You DO know that right?

What trivial nonsense you speak of! If Kalasparata is of the kind of nations to fling such stuff as antimatter around, then clearly you cannot expect the nation to still be on the level of 'modern' nations then, can you? No, no, it must be treated seriously by such nations with the capability to do so.

If, indeed, you continue to insist that he be treated by a 'modern' group of nations, then might we say that as those types of nations do not have such access to anti-matter you may safely treat the nation as just making up technology to impress their neighbors, and freely ignore their warnings if you so choose. But, to do so, you must concede that you willingly subjegated yourselves to their laws while on their soil, and so cannot blame them for any irritation that might be gained by doing so.

Our objection to the Kalasparatans is not what they do on their own. They can make as many prisoners disappear as they want. Our objection is that they seem willing to make ship, planes, and other modes of transportation (possibly starships) come to and submit to boarding and search by foreign nationals even when those ships are far out of sight of land. You can understand why we would object to this, especially since they have never answered us as to whether or not these laws apply to starships.

This is absurd.Condemnation should be the least used form of punishment.A better solution would be opening our borders to the kalaspatrans!If their lives in their own nation is hard to endure then they will surely emigrate to our nations.Urelia is willing to make a special program,the emigrants from this specific nation will be given housing and work by our government.We believe in humane variants of punishment.The kalasparatans should know that we will accept them to our society.We call to the security council to cease discussion about this matter as condemnation is rather strict way of punishment.

Prince Rudolp III of Urelia.

The Imperial Republic's delegate is most confused, to say the least. Condemnations are the least used form of punishment, such is proven by the rather small number that actually are turned into official documents. Surely it is better than global destruction or crippling embargoes from numerous nations? We doubt Kalasparatan citizens would emigrate to more free nations because their government would obviously make it incredibly difficult, if not stop it outright, for them to leave.

We admire the Principality of Urelia's desire to fund a special program to help Kalasparatan citizens but we question the ability of Urelia to fund this project. It is obvious that should Kalasparata even allow its citizens to emigrate it would easily overflow the systems put in place in most countries.

As for calling to the security council to cease and desist discussion about this matter of condemnation, we remind the nation of Urelia that so far it has been the only opposition of the condemnation and the majority of member states that have been aware of proposal "Condemn Kalasparata" primarily support it. It is indeed a strict way of punishment, but it is necessary in this case.

Aide to the ambassador Laura Elsworth

Even though I'm not in the WA, shouldn't it also be pointed that Kalasparata tried to destroy the world by firing 200 kg of antimatter?

And, the other condemnation also stated Kalasparata tried to sell teleporting machines, which would be impossible and thereby scam? (As in, the IC meaning of the word.)

OCC-I am very glad that someone as put forth the effort and research necessary to craft this proposal in a more legitimate form than my first attempt.

IC-

The Empire of Lowell Leber, while not a member of the World Assembly, wholeheartedly supports this measure. The rouge nation of Kalasparata deserves the international disdain that a condemnation would bring.

With Regards,
Dr. Michelle von Thyssen.
Foreign Minister.

the united commonwealths of bajireyn supports this legislation

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