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PASSED: Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" (TNEP - Part 2)

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:42 am
by A mean old man
The World Assembly,

NOTING that a second condemnation of NAZI EUROPE, which addresses the region's idiosyncratic faults rather than an only an ideology referenced in the region's name, has been passed by the World Assembly,

FURTHER NOTING that there have already been five previous attempts to repeal the original condemnation of NAZI EUROPE in the past and fearing that, if no compromise is made between the large number of WA members calling for a condemnation of NAZI EUROPE and the members of the SC that are unwilling to allow WASC legislation to condemn a region for its ideology alone, the conflict over SC Resolution #3 could continue indefinitely,

UNDERSTANDING that having two condemnations of the same region is fairly redundant, and that, since the second condemnation is of much higher quality and is much more relevant to the history of the region that it condemns than the first condemnation, it is only practical to nullify the former condemnation,

ITERATING that it recognizes the poor quality of the first condemnation of NAZI EUROPE and further noting that the original condemnation of NAZI EUROPE sets a precedent of condemning ideologies, or processes of thought,

BELIEVING that, while certain ideologies may be frowned upon by the majority of the WA Member nations of the world, it is not the right or the purpose of the World Assembly to infringe upon people's right to think for themselves,

FIRMLY ASSERTING that the World Assembly is a body that normally works for the spread of freedom and therefore must not inhibit the right to freedom of thought,

RECOGNIZING that, even if the members of the World Assembly would like to abuse the institution's powers by using the WASC to condemn a process of thought, the constant repeal attempts of WASC Resolution #3 are an incredible waste of the WA's time and that the World Assembly will have spent over two and a half weeks of voting time on repeals of WASC Resolution #3 by the end of the vote on this repeal,

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that the representatives from many WA nations are getting terribly, terribly sick of all this and would really like for it to end, please, if that isn't too much to ask,

HEREBY REPEALS WASC Resolution #3, "Condemn NAZI EUROPE."

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:43 am
by Defendingg
For the love of God let this pass.

They're already talking in NE about the free publicity of having a second condemn.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:49 am
by Scarsaw
Defendingg wrote:For the love of God let this pass.

They're already talking in NE about the free publicity of having a second condemn.


The Federation would like to point out that the vast majority celebrating this condemnation on our RMB are either non-members (such as The Office of Afforess and Wobblie Soviet) or members who have never participated in the region before (such as W-3 and Niga Higaman2). Do not mistakenly think that the members of NE are celebrating the witch hunt.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:05 pm
by Ethel mermania
why did this proposal not go through a draft and queuing process?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:39 pm
by Sedgistan
It did. The drafting thread was here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=81277

EDIT: In fact, it appears you even posted in that thread...

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:26 pm
by Ethel mermania
Sedgistan wrote:It did. The drafting thread was here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=81277

EDIT: In fact, it appears you even posted in that thread...



THat was the overview thread, where it was explained what the writers point was. I did not see this go in as a proposal, in queue and vote. Which i thought was the required process.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:28 pm
by Sedgistan
Ethel mermania wrote:THat was the overview thread, where it was explained what the writers point was. I did not see this go in as a proposal, in queue and vote. Which i thought was the required process.

I can assure you that it did go through the usual process of submission & approval by delegates.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:30 pm
by Mahaj WA Seat
Sedgistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:THat was the overview thread, where it was explained what the writers point was. I did not see this go in as a proposal, in queue and vote. Which i thought was the required process.

I can assure you that it did go through the usual process of submission & approval by delegates.

indeed. Perhaps one could take the time to look at the proposals.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:38 pm
by Warzone Codger
We abstain.

We get the your goal. We don't like the repeal reasons.

This thread(s) has been quite tame actually, it seemed as if everyone was sick of arguing others, since we know everyone's points. Laos Refugees excepting, but it's expected as they are the one keep getting focused.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:48 pm
by Ethel mermania
Sedgistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:THat was the overview thread, where it was explained what the writers point was. I did not see this go in as a proposal, in queue and vote. Which i thought was the required process.

I can assure you that it did go through the usual process of submission & approval by delegates.



would you be so kind to show us where?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:54 pm
by Sedgistan
Ethel mermania wrote:would you be so kind to show us where?

Er, I can't - because the proposal is obviously no longer in the queue, due to it being at vote.

If you're asking where it was drafted, the majority was done offsite, and then a little bit in the overview thread linked to in my earlier post.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:13 pm
by D00dles
This guy has been fed with some anti NE "They have mods on their side!" propaganda.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:14 pm
by Mahaj WA Seat
Ethel mermania wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:I can assure you that it did go through the usual process of submission & approval by delegates.



would you be so kind to show us where?

it WAS here.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:14 pm
by Mahaj WA Seat
Warzone Codger wrote:We abstain.

We get the your goal. We don't like the repeal reasons.

This thread(s) has been quite tame actually, it seemed as if everyone was sick of arguing others, since we know everyone's points. Laos Refugees excepting, but it's expected as they are the one keep getting focused.

we've only debated it hundreds of times.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:17 pm
by Scarsaw
Mahaj WA Seat wrote:
Warzone Codger wrote:We abstain.

We get the your goal. We don't like the repeal reasons.

This thread(s) has been quite tame actually, it seemed as if everyone was sick of arguing others, since we know everyone's points. Laos Refugees excepting, but it's expected as they are the one keep getting focused.

we've only debated it hundreds of times.


Unfortunately, the Federation must agree as we are currently manufacturing a large rubber stamp in efforts to save time on this ever-reoccurring matter.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:23 pm
by A mean old man
Ethel mermania wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:It did. The drafting thread was here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=81277

EDIT: In fact, it appears you even posted in that thread...



THat was the overview thread, where it was explained what the writers point was. . .


A mean old man wrote:. . .

I will be making separate threads for each proposal during their times in the queue/at vote (hopefully). This thread will serve as the drafting thread for both of them. If you'd like to see something changed, you'd best speak up now.

. . .

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:41 pm
by Brakiachi
Gentlemen and Ladies;


Just how much longer do we intend to hold debate on these same issues over and over?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:43 pm
by A mean old man
Brakiachi wrote:Gentlemen and Ladies;


Just how much longer do we intend to hold debate on these same issues over and over?


No longer, which is why I've taken these bold measures.

By voting against this repeal, you're simply supporting further discussion of these issues.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:45 pm
by Defendingg
Brakiachi wrote:Gentlemen and Ladies;


Just how much longer do we intend to hold debate on these same issues over and over?


If this passes, not much longer

if this fails, = more repeals gogogogo

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:34 pm
by Echolilia
Defendingg wrote:If this passes, = more repeals gogogogo

if this fails, = more repeals gogogogo


Fixed that for you.

At least that's what I foresee, with all due respect to AMOM.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:38 pm
by Austin Setzer
HONESTLY JUST GET THE MODS TO DELETE THAT REGION! NO ONE EXCEPT RIGHT WING NAZIS ARE GONNA GO THERE!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:40 pm
by Laos Refugees
Austin Setzer wrote:HONESTLY JUST GET THE MODS TO DELETE THAT REGION! NO ONE EXCEPT RIGHT WING NAZIS ARE GONNA GO THERE!

Max said we can stay, and stay we shall.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:41 pm
by Scarsaw
Austin Setzer wrote:HONESTLY JUST GET THE MODS TO DELETE THAT REGION! NO ONE EXCEPT RIGHT WING NAZIS ARE GONNA GO THERE!


Three things wrong with this statement:
1) Right-wing Nazis are not the only ones there
2) Not all Nazis are right-wing
3) Rights do apply to those who have not broken the law, unless you consider being a Nazi a thought crime...
....and if that is the case, you should look in a mirror Mr. Kettle.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:45 pm
by A mean old man
Echolilia wrote:
Defendingg wrote:If this passes, = more repeals gogogogo

if this fails, = more repeals gogogogo


Fixed that for you.

At least that's what I foresee, with all due respect to AMOM.


Oh, I foresee a very difficult time in store for anyone who'd like to repeal the newer condemnation of NAZI EUROPE. Let me remind you of the vote totals from each of the two different condemnations:

SC#3
Votes For: 3,412
Votes Against: 1,924

SC#37
Votes For: 4,362
Votes Against: 925

They'll have a hell of a time just bringing a repeal to quorum, let alone trying to pass one. An attempt would be futile and, since, if this repeal passes, the SC is no longer actively condemning an ideology, meaningless.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:49 pm
by Ethel mermania
A mean old man wrote:
Brakiachi wrote:Gentlemen and Ladies;


Just how much longer do we intend to hold debate on these same issues over and over?


No longer, which is why I've taken these bold measures.

By voting against this repeal, you're simply supporting further discussion of these issues.



so it is blackmail

if we do not vote for the repeal we will just see it again and again?