PASSED: Condemn NAZI EUROPE (TNEP - Part 1)

[Unibot]

Whirrs and mechanical clicking and clacking. Tiny motors powering the limbs of a vast metal frame, twisting it, turning it around. The figure stands up, four 20 mm rotary cannons going left, right, left again as the mecha's massive bulk itself moves.

It's harmless enough, since Mecha-Hitler isn't allowed weapons inside the chambers any more than anyone else is, but the rotary's menacing whirring is disconcerting enough, even if one knows that they're not loaded.

A few bubbles form inside the glass plate that separates Hitler's Brain in a Jar from the outside world. He looks angry, although admittedly, Hitler being Hitler, he always looks angry. May be the genes.

Then, the man-machine starts to speak, emitting a mechanical, metallic voice.

"Ladies and gentlemen, honoured delegates, as well as rather less honoured untermenschen and jews. My name is Adolf Hitler, and you may still know me from your highschool textbooks or your country's history channel - although I should note that your textbooks rather underestimated my esteemed Dr. Mengele's skills in brain conservation and man/ machine integration.

"I speak to you today, not as a representative of Nazi Europe - for I do not represent it, tragic and unsuitable though this state of affairs undoubtedly is - but as a representative of myself, and my people, of the nazis who made it to space and produced a flourishing civilisation of nazis in outer space."

The man/ machine/ whatever pauses dramatically, a few more bubbles rising inside the glass case that contains its brain and nutritious liquid. "You. All of you." Rotary cannons swirl dramatically as arms move in a swift motion to emphasize the point - everyone is addressed. Every delegate, everyone present. "You are hypocrites. You accuse us of invading the bolshevik menace, but I ask you, what else were we supposed to do? We had ton defend ourselves, and did so - successfully. And then the sore loser cries out in pain and pretends to be the victim, rather than the aggressor, like a Polack denying that he blew up an aryan radio station? Be not fooled by their pretentions of self-righteousness and peacefulness, by their promises to be good and proper! They're bolsheviks, a species," he almost spits out the word, and little twirls form inside the nutritious fluid in which his head swims, "aiming at nothing less than world conquest. THEY are the disease. WE are the cure. WE were the target, and we were too big for them. Simple as that.

"So maybe, my honoured, if not particularly aryan - as far as I'm aware, anyway. I'm not sure if Laos' ethnic composition has experienced significant changes in the recent past - regional Führer has used an aggressive tone in his interactions with the world at large. But how has the world treated HIM? Action causes reaction, and I don't think I need to repeat the persecution, the bias, the isolation nazis experience to this day, in this very building, not for their deeds, but merely for what they are! You cannot expect him to reply to hostility with flowers. Violence only causes more violence, and violence, open hostility against us Nazis and our beliefs, our politics is what we've been faced with throughout every stage of our presence in these halls. Can you honestly condemn a great leader like our Führer from Laos Refugees for replying in kind to the hostility he faces?

"You can condemn us. The vote as it stands certainly says so. But you cannot defeat us. And your hypocrisy, gentlemen... Your hypocrisy is disgusting. Here, my vote! I, too, shall vote to 'Condemn' Nazi Europe. But know just how pointless, how hypocritical, how filled with lies this condemnation is. You condemn us, and maybe you even believe the slander of the bolshevics, their lies and conspiracies to bring down the new man.

"But it is all for naught, for we are nazis, and nazis never surrender, never retreat. We will remain, and the lies of the mighty will not shake our faith."

Mecha-Hitler stops, the head behind the mecha's headpiece window seemingly red - the nutritious fluid isn't very good at providing oxygen, and Mecha-Hitler needs some time to recover.

Then, with another whirr of his massive quadruple 20 mm rotaries, the multi-ton frame sits down again.

...




Wait... who are you, again?

[Laos Refugees]

...




Wait... who are you, again?

A member of my region, and a damn good writer at that.

[Kulaloe]

Whirrs and mechanical clicking and clacking. Tiny motors powering the limbs of a vast metal frame, twisting it, turning it around. The figure stands up, four 20 mm rotary cannons going left, right, left again as the mecha's massive bulk itself moves.

It's harmless enough, since Mecha-Hitler isn't allowed weapons inside the chambers any more than anyone else is, but the rotary's menacing whirring is disconcerting enough, even if one knows that they're not loaded.

A few bubbles form inside the glass plate that separates Hitler's Brain in a Jar from the outside world. He looks angry, although admittedly, Hitler being Hitler, he always looks angry. May be the genes.

Then, the man-machine starts to speak, emitting a mechanical, metallic voice.

"Ladies and gentlemen, honoured delegates, as well as rather less honoured untermenschen and jews. My name is Adolf Hitler, and you may still know me from your highschool textbooks or your country's history channel - although I should note that your textbooks rather underestimated my esteemed Dr. Mengele's skills in brain conservation and man/ machine integration.

"I speak to you today, not as a representative of Nazi Europe - for I do not represent it, tragic and unsuitable though this state of affairs undoubtedly is - but as a representative of myself, and my people, of the nazis who made it to space and produced a flourishing civilisation of nazis in outer space."

The man/ machine/ whatever pauses dramatically, a few more bubbles rising inside the glass case that contains its brain and nutritious liquid. "You. All of you." Rotary cannons swirl dramatically as arms move in a swift motion to emphasize the point - everyone is addressed. Every delegate, everyone present. "You are hypocrites. You accuse us of invading the bolshevik menace, but I ask you, what else were we supposed to do? We had ton defend ourselves, and did so - successfully. And then the sore loser cries out in pain and pretends to be the victim, rather than the aggressor, like a Polack denying that he blew up an aryan radio station? Be not fooled by their pretentions of self-righteousness and peacefulness, by their promises to be good and proper! They're bolsheviks, a species," he almost spits out the word, and little twirls form inside the nutritious fluid in which his head swims, "aiming at nothing less than world conquest. THEY are the disease. WE are the cure. WE were the target, and we were too big for them. Simple as that.

"So maybe, my honoured, if not particularly aryan - as far as I'm aware, anyway. I'm not sure if Laos' ethnic composition has experienced significant changes in the recent past - regional Führer has used an aggressive tone in his interactions with the world at large. But how has the world treated HIM? Action causes reaction, and I don't think I need to repeat the persecution, the bias, the isolation nazis experience to this day, in this very building, not for their deeds, but merely for what they are! You cannot expect him to reply to hostility with flowers. Violence only causes more violence, and violence, open hostility against us Nazis and our beliefs, our politics is what we've been faced with throughout every stage of our presence in these halls. Can you honestly condemn a great leader like our Führer from Laos Refugees for replying in kind to the hostility he faces?

"You can condemn us. The vote as it stands certainly says so. But you cannot defeat us. And your hypocrisy, gentlemen... Your hypocrisy is disgusting. Here, my vote! I, too, shall vote to 'Condemn' Nazi Europe. But know just how pointless, how hypocritical, how filled with lies this condemnation is. You condemn us, and maybe you even believe the slander of the bolshevics, their lies and conspiracies to bring down the new man.

"But it is all for naught, for we are nazis, and nazis never surrender, never retreat. We will remain, and the lies of the mighty will not shake our faith."

Mecha-Hitler stops, the head behind the mecha's headpiece window seemingly red - the nutritious fluid isn't very good at providing oxygen, and Mecha-Hitler needs some time to recover.

Then, with another whirr of his massive quadruple 20 mm rotaries, the multi-ton frame sits down again.

OOC: I just had a nerdgasm! That was awesome!
IC: You live? Holy crap!

[A mean old man]

Whirrs and mechanical clicking and clacking. Tiny motors powering the limbs of a vast metal frame, twisting it, turning it around. The figure stands up, four 20 mm rotary cannons going left, right, left again as the mecha's massive bulk itself moves.

It's harmless enough, since Mecha-Hitler isn't allowed weapons inside the chambers any more than anyone else is, but the rotary's menacing whirring is disconcerting enough, even if one knows that they're not loaded.

A few bubbles form inside the glass plate that separates Hitler's Brain in a Jar from the outside world. He looks angry, although admittedly, Hitler being Hitler, he always looks angry. May be the genes.

Then, the man-machine starts to speak, emitting a mechanical, metallic voice.

"Ladies and gentlemen, honoured delegates, as well as rather less honoured untermenschen and jews. My name is Adolf Hitler, and you may still know me from your highschool textbooks or your country's history channel - although I should note that your textbooks rather underestimated my esteemed Dr. Mengele's skills in brain conservation and man/ machine integration.

"I speak to you today, not as a representative of Nazi Europe - for I do not represent it, tragic and unsuitable though this state of affairs undoubtedly is - but as a representative of myself, and my people, of the nazis who made it to space and produced a flourishing civilisation of nazis in outer space."

The man/ machine/ whatever pauses dramatically, a few more bubbles rising inside the glass case that contains its brain and nutritious liquid. "You. All of you." Rotary cannons swirl dramatically as arms move in a swift motion to emphasize the point - everyone is addressed. Every delegate, everyone present. "You are hypocrites. You accuse us of invading the bolshevik menace, but I ask you, what else were we supposed to do? We had ton defend ourselves, and did so - successfully. And then the sore loser cries out in pain and pretends to be the victim, rather than the aggressor, like a Polack denying that he blew up an aryan radio station? Be not fooled by their pretentions of self-righteousness and peacefulness, by their promises to be good and proper! They're bolsheviks, a species," he almost spits out the word, and little twirls form inside the nutritious fluid in which his head swims, "aiming at nothing less than world conquest. THEY are the disease. WE are the cure. WE were the target, and we were too big for them. Simple as that.

"So maybe, my honoured, if not particularly aryan - as far as I'm aware, anyway. I'm not sure if Laos' ethnic composition has experienced significant changes in the recent past - regional Führer has used an aggressive tone in his interactions with the world at large. But how has the world treated HIM? Action causes reaction, and I don't think I need to repeat the persecution, the bias, the isolation nazis experience to this day, in this very building, not for their deeds, but merely for what they are! You cannot expect him to reply to hostility with flowers. Violence only causes more violence, and violence, open hostility against us Nazis and our beliefs, our politics is what we've been faced with throughout every stage of our presence in these halls. Can you honestly condemn a great leader like our Führer from Laos Refugees for replying in kind to the hostility he faces?

"You can condemn us. The vote as it stands certainly says so. But you cannot defeat us. And your hypocrisy, gentlemen... Your hypocrisy is disgusting. Here, my vote! I, too, shall vote to 'Condemn' Nazi Europe. But know just how pointless, how hypocritical, how filled with lies this condemnation is. You condemn us, and maybe you even believe the slander of the bolshevics, their lies and conspiracies to bring down the new man.

"But it is all for naught, for we are nazis, and nazis never surrender, never retreat. We will remain, and the lies of the mighty will not shake our faith."

Mecha-Hitler stops, the head behind the mecha's headpiece window seemingly red - the nutritious fluid isn't very good at providing oxygen, and Mecha-Hitler needs some time to recover.

Then, with another whirr of his massive quadruple 20 mm rotaries, the multi-ton frame sits down again.

I actually got a chuckle out of that post. Congratulations.

[Ethel mermania]

Whirrs and mechanical clicking and clacking. Tiny motors powering the limbs of a vast metal frame, twisting it, turning it around. The figure stands up, four 20 mm rotary cannons going left, right, left again as the mecha's massive bulk itself moves.

It's harmless enough, since Mecha-Hitler isn't allowed weapons inside the chambers any more than anyone else is, but the rotary's menacing whirring is disconcerting enough, even if one knows that they're not loaded.

A few bubbles form inside the glass plate that separates Hitler's Brain in a Jar from the outside world. He looks angry, although admittedly, Hitler being Hitler, he always looks angry. May be the genes.

Then, the man-machine starts to speak, emitting a mechanical, metallic voice.

"Ladies and gentlemen, honoured delegates, as well as rather less honoured untermenschen and jews. My name is Adolf Hitler, and you may still know me from your highschool textbooks or your country's history channel - although I should note that your textbooks rather underestimated my esteemed Dr. Mengele's skills in brain conservation and man/ machine integration.

"I speak to you today, not as a representative of Nazi Europe - for I do not represent it, tragic and unsuitable though this state of affairs undoubtedly is - but as a representative of myself, and my people, of the nazis who made it to space and produced a flourishing civilisation of nazis in outer space."

The man/ machine/ whatever pauses dramatically, a few more bubbles rising inside the glass case that contains its brain and nutritious liquid. "You. All of you." Rotary cannons swirl dramatically as arms move in a swift motion to emphasize the point - everyone is addressed. Every delegate, everyone present. "You are hypocrites. You accuse us of invading the bolshevik menace, but I ask you, what else were we supposed to do? We had ton defend ourselves, and did so - successfully. And then the sore loser cries out in pain and pretends to be the victim, rather than the aggressor, like a Polack denying that he blew up an aryan radio station? Be not fooled by their pretentions of self-righteousness and peacefulness, by their promises to be good and proper! They're bolsheviks, a species," he almost spits out the word, and little twirls form inside the nutritious fluid in which his head swims, "aiming at nothing less than world conquest. THEY are the disease. WE are the cure. WE were the target, and we were too big for them. Simple as that.

"So maybe, my honoured, if not particularly aryan - as far as I'm aware, anyway. I'm not sure if Laos' ethnic composition has experienced significant changes in the recent past - regional Führer has used an aggressive tone in his interactions with the world at large. But how has the world treated HIM? Action causes reaction, and I don't think I need to repeat the persecution, the bias, the isolation nazis experience to this day, in this very building, not for their deeds, but merely for what they are! You cannot expect him to reply to hostility with flowers. Violence only causes more violence, and violence, open hostility against us Nazis and our beliefs, our politics is what we've been faced with throughout every stage of our presence in these halls. Can you honestly condemn a great leader like our Führer from Laos Refugees for replying in kind to the hostility he faces?

"You can condemn us. The vote as it stands certainly says so. But you cannot defeat us. And your hypocrisy, gentlemen... Your hypocrisy is disgusting. Here, my vote! I, too, shall vote to 'Condemn' Nazi Europe. But know just how pointless, how hypocritical, how filled with lies this condemnation is. You condemn us, and maybe you even believe the slander of the bolshevics, their lies and conspiracies to bring down the new man.

"But it is all for naught, for we are nazis, and nazis never surrender, never retreat. We will remain, and the lies of the mighty will not shake our faith."

Mecha-Hitler stops, the head behind the mecha's headpiece window seemingly red - the nutritious fluid isn't very good at providing oxygen, and Mecha-Hitler needs some time to recover.

Then, with another whirr of his massive quadruple 20 mm rotaries, the multi-ton frame sits down again.

I actually got a chuckle out of that post. Congratulations.

you all may be surprised, but we did too.

[Scarsaw]

((Why is it every time I poke my head in NS after a leave of absence, NE is at vote?))

The Federation of Scarsaw

The Federation of Scarsaw holds mixed feelings on this condemnation as we will not deny that the past of Nazi Europe has been bloody and ignorant, but cannot vote for this condemnation as it is not an accurate reflection of the region today. Much has changed since those events and the Federation is willing to make right the wrongs of our region, but will not support a condemnation of actions we have grown out of and no longer practice.

The assaults you label on NE are years old and involve nations that have since dissolved. Truly this is now a case of the sins of the father becoming sins of the son, and it is unjust to punish now for crimes that were committed long ago. Much like punishing a man who is 50 for stealing candy when he was 5, the Federation questions the intentions behind this condemnation as it appears to be more like an excuse to punish than a reason.

What is hoped to be accomplished? Do they wish to curve our "nasty" ways, although they already are curved? Is this revenge for something few, if any, remember? Is this an excuse to justify a condemnation that was unfairly granted? These are questions that come to the mind of the Federation.

We agree and are more than willing to aid in repairing the damages that our reckless childhood brought to the world. Even if the Federation may not have existed on the international level during these times, we feel it is only right to support any liberation attempts of the regions Nazi Europe once raided ((and later lost the password to)). This seems like a more just and beneficial way to make amends with the community and prove that Nazi Europe is the matured and responsible region we are today.

Nicholas Rowansburg
Supreme Chancellor of the Federation of Scarsaw

((OOC: also, what about me? I see mentions that there was a bullet against me, and I'm kinda curious in what it was))

[Defendingg]

Right from 10000 islands RMB:

3 hours ago FlagThe Flower Girl of Ananke II I like that Just Guy cast his vote early. We might as well get the most out of his endorsement count and it's kinda nifty when 10ki manage to steer the WA vote.

[Flemingovia]

i wonder if those who were bitching about the use of block votes swaying the WA when delegates were voting against the repeal will be consistent and complain now Just Guy is voting for?


thought not.

[Defendingg]

i wonder if those who were bitching about the use of block votes swaying the WA when delegates were voting against the repeal will be consistent and complain now Just Guy is voting for?


thought not.

Its the lemming effect. Its bad no matter what is being voted on.

[Just Guy]

Once it is clear the 10ki community has made a decision regarding a resolution, there is no reason why I should wait before casting my vote.

[Defendingg]

Once it is clear the 10ki community has made a decision regarding a resolution, there is no reason why I should wait before casting my vote.

Oh quit the charade, you know exactly what you are doing. The fact that you do so in such high esteem shows how much of a pathetic delegate you are.

[Scarsaw]

The Federation would like to ask Defendingg not to turn this into a pettier argument and make the against side look immature. This second condemnation is sickening proof in the eyes of the Federation of the WA's determination to witch hunt the region, considering most accusations were individual members years ago, but that does not justify attacking or smearing the other side.

[Defendingg]

The Federation would like to ask Defendingg not to turn this into a pettier argument and make the against side look immature. This second condemnation is sickening proof in the eyes of the Federation of the WA's determination to witch hunt the region, considering most accusations were individual members years ago, but that does not justify attacking or smearing the other side.

In clarification to the delegate of Scarsaw, I am in favor of the second condemnation, I just cant stand vote stackers. At least while voting, the previous delegate of 10ki wasn't as obnoxious.

[Just Guy]

It is quite funny that the last Delegate was the one you were quoting from the RMB -- just showing that you have no clue what you're on about.
Love you Ananke
Of course, I am perfectly aware of the effect that voting early has. You should realise, however, that I don't have to vote late just for your convenience. Are you seriously suggesting I wait before casting a vote?

[Defendingg]

It is quite funny that the last Delegate was the one you were quoting from the RMB -- just showing that you have no clue what you're on about.
Love you Ananke
Of course, I am perfectly aware of the effect that voting early has. You should realise, however, that I don't have to vote late just for your convenience. Are you seriously suggesting I wait before casting a vote?

Yes I know that. Ananke is still less obnoxious than you are, and plus I got that from the RMB, thats different from saying it on the main forum like:

Durr Hurr, your resolution sucks because I voted against it.

OOC: and in response to your last question: if you cared about the future of the SC and the game, then yes.

[Sedgistan]

Keep this thread to debating SCR #37, please. Discussion of the currently at-vote repeal goes here.

The fact that you do so in such high esteem shows how much of a pathetic delegate you are.

Cut it out.

[Mousebumples]

Of course, I am perfectly aware of the effect that voting early has. You should realise, however, that I don't have to vote late just for your convenience. Are you seriously suggesting I wait before casting a vote?

And, if I recall, there was a big complaint a few weeks/month-ish ago regarding your voting very late in the process (or perhaps it was a different big delegate?) that swayed the final vote tally from FOR to AGAINST ... or vice versa. (I'm can't say I remember the details all that clearly.) And, hell, it could have been in the GA too, versus the SC.

So far as my minuscule (by comparison) Delegate vote goes, I'll likely be voting in favor, but I have not voted as of yet.

[Scarsaw]

In clarification to the delegate of Scarsaw, I am in favor of the second condemnation, I just cant stand vote stackers. At least while voting, the previous delegate of 10ki wasn't as obnoxious.

Although we appreciate the clarification on your nation's stance on this issue that is very dear to us, we still would like to kindly ask you not to peruse such a controversial and petty topic like vote stalking. Yes, it can be frowned upon by individuals but to call it out in the open as such only looks like a desperate attempt from the losing side to scream "it's not fair!" Even if you are not apart of the losing side, it still can be perceived that way and only puts a dark mark on our characters.

In addition, as Mousbumples have pointed out, it appears that a delegate of a large region cannot 'win' no matter if they vote early or late as there are drawbacks to both strategies. On a personal note, however, the Federation does miss the previous delegate of the islands as, despite our different views, we had the utmost respect for them.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Of course, I am perfectly aware of the effect that voting early has. You should realise, however, that I don't have to vote late just for your convenience. Are you seriously suggesting I wait before casting a vote?

And, if I recall, there was a big complaint a few weeks/month-ish ago regarding your voting very late in the process (or perhaps it was a different big delegate?) that swayed the final vote tally from FOR to AGAINST ... or vice versa. (I'm can't say I remember the details all that clearly.) And, hell, it could have been in the GA too, versus the SC.

So far as my minuscule (by comparison) Delegate vote goes, I'll likely be voting in favor, but I have not voted as of yet.

I recall such a situation, although I do not recall the exact delegate or resolution. The lemming effect is frustrating either way, and while it is still bizarre that Just Guy has so much more control than any other delegate originally I was lamenting the lemming effect caused by the title, not just the vote.

[Unibot]

2. Take screenshots of what two condemnation badges look like on a single region.

You mean.. like this..?



Classic!

[A mean old man]

I made a souvenir for those sentimental types which Uni beat me to posting because I was writing a long post that I don't think I'm going to post yet.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3315/doublecondemnedne.png

[Warzone Codger]

I'm sorry if it was my one you quoted earlier.

Though it may still be the most nuanced you might get from the TWP.. referring to my alter-ego.

[Unibot]

I made a souvenir for those sentimental types which Uni beat me to posting because I was writing a long post that I don't think I'm going to post yet.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3315/doublecondemnedne.png

My souvenir has my name in it, though, thus making it infinitely better.

[Ykpaihaa]

There is nothing wrong with condemning this country for it's views - not because they are different, but because they spread a message of hatred.

A fine line exists between free speech and hate speech - and when it crosses into hate speech, this nation feels that by law it should be stopped.

[Laos Refugees]

There is nothing wrong with condemning this country for it's views - not because they are different, but because they spread a message of hatred.

A fine line exists between free speech and hate speech - and when it crosses into hate speech, this nation feels that by law it should be stopped.

Except it isn't a country, and it hasn't spread 'hate speech'.