PASSED: Condemn NAZI EUROPE (TNEP - Part 1)

[Punk Reloaded]

Metania, based on your responses, or lack thereof, questions should be answered with questions and further, questions one does not like should be rebuffed with phrases like:

That is another loaded question.

Well, it would appear to me that it is a waste of time to ask you about the majority opinion in this matter and seeing as though you feel Flem doesn't represent it nor wish to account for what you think it may be, I don't think there is much more to discuss with you.

2. A significant part of the game (aka most of the WA/SC "regulars") may or may not "care" about NE, but don't SC 3 existing because it doesn't fit into the "style" of most resolutions. They don't like reasoning that refers to the real word, or ones based on ideology. They are more likely to support this one, because it fits into their "style"

I agree with this sentiment warzone Codger. Well put.

[Venesklen]

eu acho esta condenação totalmente desnecessária

[A mean old man]

eu acho esta condenação totalmente desnecessária

I find this condemnation entirely unnecessary

Next time, in English, please. Portuguese is grand and all, but few of us speak it.

[Mousebumples]

I'm abstaining from this proposal. I feel that NE deserves a commendation - and at the moment they currently have one. While I admit to being curious as to what it looks like for a region to have more than one!! badge, I don't know that a second one is necessary. (I understand the process, but I'm unwilling to vote "in favor" to saddle them with a second condemnation that is essentially a R4 compliant version of the one they already have.)

Bottom line: abstaining.

[Great Nepal]

Due to Punk Daddy's mere 20 posts please disregard his opinion. It does not count.

See? I am beginning to get the hang of the security council.

Please ignore Flemingovia's opinion due to his mere 122 posts which is 1/62th than mine own.

OOC: See, I can play the same game with ya too.

[Just Guy]

Like it or not, SC Regulars, the votes are where it's at -- not activity levels or posts.

[Wickedly evil people]

I voted for the condemnation so the RPers could continue to gripe

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I voted for the condemnation so the RPers could continue to gripe

It's the gameplayers pushing this one, sweetie.

[Free macon]

Je pense que cette condamnation est une bonne chose, je propose quelle soit suivie d'un total embargo et blocus commercial
J'ai voté pour

translation :
I think this sentence is a good thing, what I propose is followed by a total ban and trade embargo
I voted for

[Laos Refugees]

Je pense que cette condamnation est une bonne chose, je propose quelle soit suivie d'un total embargo et blocus commercial
J'ai voté pour

translation :
I think this sentence is a good thing, what I propose is followed by a total ban and trade embargo
I voted for

Good luck with that.

[Kryozerkia]

Je pense que cette condamnation est une bonne chose, je propose quelle soit suivie d'un total embargo et blocus commercial
J'ai voté pour

translation :
I think this sentence is a good thing, what I propose is followed by a total ban and trade embargo
I voted for

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[Charlotte Ryberg]

Ms. Harper votes in favour of this resolution. It is true to the fact that Nazism is why we have Section 86 on our Charter of Minoa to ensure it doesn't happen again in whatever universe. I do accept the fact that the RL Nazism has been terrible and we cannot deny the RL holocaust (it seems the region has taken this into account with the phrase on the WFE, "Open Racism, Neo Nazism, or any kind of blind hate is not permitted."), but we cannot let that mess up the NS universe.

[Kulaloe]

OOC: This is quite an interesting incident. When this is all over I think I might write a book about it. I'll probably have to contact Max Barry to get permission, but I know people would read it. I would love to see what a double condemn looks like. However...

IC: This is all riddiculous! This region has already been condemned and you all wish to do so again? I get that "Nazi" does not always mean "genocidal regime of ultimate doom," and I have no issue with repealing #3 for reasons already discussed. However, the age old invader/defender conflicts that have been fought both overtly and covertly for so long is what this condemnation is all about. This region is being condemned primarily for being a region of raiders to get a handfull of normally anti-nazi defender nations to shift their votes. Normally the Grandnarfolium stays out of these conflicts, but as this region already has a condemnation, we cannot justify staying neutral. We are voting against this resolution, while still supporting the repeal of SC#3. This is clearly an attempt at a Xanatos Gambit - where one sets themself up for either a win-win situation or a situation where failing is at least almost as beneficial as succeeding. If this condemnation is a success there is a chance that those who hate nazis might allow #3 to be repealed. However, there is also a chance that those same nazi-haters might decide to continue defeating all attempts at repeal, thus allowing Nazi Europe to suffer even more. Either outcome would have AMOM hailed for being heroic, hence the Xanatos Gambit! I do not know the true identity of this "Mean Old Fart" who rules AMOM, but this Old Fart is a classic example of chaotic neutral played well. I would suggest commending AMOM for this sheer genius, but the whole Rule 4 fiasco has left them with a policy of contacting the mods to use their power of veto at any sign of a commendation.

[The Travuersan Union]

Open Racism, Neo Nazism, or any kind of blind hate is not permitted.

This is NationStates. Creating a nation-state is not permitted.

[Kalibarr]

Open Racism, Neo Nazism, or any kind of blind hate is not permitted.

This is NationStates. Creating a nation-state is not permitted.

*is confused*

[Mahaj WA Seat]

due to the current repeal proposal, I ask: Now what?

[Laos Refugees]

Open Racism, Neo Nazism, or any kind of blind hate is not permitted.

This is NationStates. Creating a nation-state is not permitted.

You could explain what the hell is so funny about our regions WFE.

[Sir Lans]

Granted, in my opinion, a Nazi region has no place in this game or any other because of what it promotes (and I can only imagine that any of you that have a connection or family ties with this abomination will agree with this), but the bottom line is that there is no consequence for having a condemn or a commend, so what's really the point?

[A mean old man]

I'm just posting these two quotes because they have caught my attention and so that I remember to respond to them in depth after all of this is over.

And AMOM, just by the way, what are your thoughts on The Greater German Reich, them basically being NE's successor?

2. A significant part of the game (aka most of the WA/SC "regulars") may or may not "care" about NE, but don't SC 3 existing because it doesn't fit into the "style" of most resolutions. They don't like reasoning that refers to the real word, or ones based on ideology. They are more likely to support this one, because it fits into their "style"

[Venesklen]

just like to know one thing, how long are in this fight to condemn the Nazi europe?

[Wickedly evil people]

I voted for the condemnation so the RPers could continue to gripe

It's the gameplayers pushing this one, sweetie.

hell with them too

[VaIjean]

Open Racism, Neo Nazism, or any kind of blind hate is not permitted.

Well..erm..well maybe, what that means is that they're into..old-school Nazism. None of those trendy Adolph-come-latelies for NE! Otherwise, I got nothin'.

[Laos Refugees]

Well..erm..well maybe, what that means is that they're into..old-school Nazism. None of those trendy Adolph-come-latelies for NE! Otherwise, I got nothin'.

Neo-Nazism is post WWII, and my cabinet and I have decided it is bogus. It is not the same as plain Nazism or National Socialism.

[Nazis in Space]

Whirrs and mechanical clicking and clacking. Tiny motors powering the limbs of a vast metal frame, twisting it, turning it around. The figure stands up, four 20 mm rotary cannons going left, right, left again as the mecha's massive bulk itself moves.

It's harmless enough, since Mecha-Hitler isn't allowed weapons inside the chambers any more than anyone else is, but the rotary's menacing whirring is disconcerting enough, even if one knows that they're not loaded.

A few bubbles form inside the glass plate that separates Hitler's Brain in a Jar from the outside world. He looks angry, although admittedly, Hitler being Hitler, he always looks angry. May be the genes.

Then, the man-machine starts to speak, emitting a mechanical, metallic voice.

"Ladies and gentlemen, honoured delegates, as well as rather less honoured untermenschen and jews. My name is Adolf Hitler, and you may still know me from your highschool textbooks or your country's history channel - although I should note that your textbooks rather underestimated my esteemed Dr. Mengele's skills in brain conservation and man/ machine integration.

"I speak to you today, not as a representative of Nazi Europe - for I do not represent it, tragic and unsuitable though this state of affairs undoubtedly is - but as a representative of myself, and my people, of the nazis who made it to space and produced a flourishing civilisation of nazis in outer space."

The man/ machine/ whatever pauses dramatically, a few more bubbles rising inside the glass case that contains its brain and nutritious liquid. "You. All of you." Rotary cannons swirl dramatically as arms move in a swift motion to emphasize the point - everyone is addressed. Every delegate, everyone present. "You are hypocrites. You accuse us of invading the bolshevik menace, but I ask you, what else were we supposed to do? We had ton defend ourselves, and did so - successfully. And then the sore loser cries out in pain and pretends to be the victim, rather than the aggressor, like a Polack denying that he blew up an aryan radio station? Be not fooled by their pretentions of self-righteousness and peacefulness, by their promises to be good and proper! They're bolsheviks, a species," he almost spits out the word, and little twirls form inside the nutritious fluid in which his head swims, "aiming at nothing less than world conquest. THEY are the disease. WE are the cure. WE were the target, and we were too big for them. Simple as that.

"So maybe, my honoured, if not particularly aryan - as far as I'm aware, anyway. I'm not sure if Laos' ethnic composition has experienced significant changes in the recent past - regional Führer has used an aggressive tone in his interactions with the world at large. But how has the world treated HIM? Action causes reaction, and I don't think I need to repeat the persecution, the bias, the isolation nazis experience to this day, in this very building, not for their deeds, but merely for what they are! You cannot expect him to reply to hostility with flowers. Violence only causes more violence, and violence, open hostility against us Nazis and our beliefs, our politics is what we've been faced with throughout every stage of our presence in these halls. Can you honestly condemn a great leader like our Führer from Laos Refugees for replying in kind to the hostility he faces?

"You can condemn us. The vote as it stands certainly says so. But you cannot defeat us. And your hypocrisy, gentlemen... Your hypocrisy is disgusting. Here, my vote! I, too, shall vote to 'Condemn' Nazi Europe. But know just how pointless, how hypocritical, how filled with lies this condemnation is. You condemn us, and maybe you even believe the slander of the bolshevics, their lies and conspiracies to bring down the new man.

"But it is all for naught, for we are nazis, and nazis never surrender, never retreat. We will remain, and the lies of the mighty will not shake our faith."

Mecha-Hitler stops, the head behind the mecha's headpiece window seemingly red - the nutritious fluid isn't very good at providing oxygen, and Mecha-Hitler needs some time to recover.

Then, with another whirr of his massive quadruple 20 mm rotaries, the multi-ton frame sits down again.

[Johz]

I reckon, had extreme tactics been thought out and perseverance been tested to its very limit, SC#3 could have been repealed without the need for this. Only just, but still just. This is a workable, if lazy, way out. I'm just not sure if, with the lemming effect and the title-voting that is currently being shouted about over in the WA, a repeal of any condemnation will work, even if you do explain that they've already got one condemnation, and don't worry, we're just removing this one because it's not as good, and do we really need to give them double the negativity? I don't think so, do you, no, please stop voting that way, no...

It's going to go the same way isn't it? The Nazi effect, we should call it. If anyone asks, I coined the phrase.