[DEFEATED] "Condemn HC Eredivisie"

[Sedgistan]

My government is proud to report that this proposal has reached quorum and will soon be submitted for vote.


TEXT OF PROPOSAL

Recognizing that it is the civic duty of every Nation which holds to the principles of justice, equity, fairness, and common sense, to promote such principles in any way possible;

Noting that the Nation whose treatment of issues does not support such conduct is to be considered a violator of the statutes not only of the World Assembly, but of Reason itself;

Acknowledging that any Nation which deals with issues in a manner that belies a tendency toward tyranny and oppression is fully aware of the decisions which it makes, and is therefore as worthy of condemnation as any other violating Nation;

Observing that the Nation known as HC Eredivisie has engaged in policy-making decisions which strongly indicate a tendency toward violent and oppressive conduct;

Recounting the irresponsible and dangerous proclivities and qualities of said Nation, listed below:
- Outlawing of Free Religious Practice, excepting the State Church
- Dictatorial Rule
- Oppression of the Poor
- Uninhibited Corporate Greed
- Governmental Corruption
- Exorbitant Taxation, at rates of 100% of income
- Ridiculous Tax Laws (including a tax for having feet)
- Unrestrained and Excessive Production of Nuclear Materials
- Government Spending to Support the Production and Gain of Such Materials
- Use of Nuclear Weapons Against Other Nations
- Funding of Terrorist Organizations
- Institution of Labor Camps
- Ethnic Prejudice and Oppression
- Censorship of Speech
- Oppression of Environmentalists
- Utter Disregard for the Environment;

Realizing that these qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature of HC Eredivisie’s leader, known by the title Dear Leader, which in and of itself belies tendencies toward dictatorship;

Realizing further that this Nation was rated the Most Oppressive Nation in the world in a recent World Census Report, and Most Corrupt Government in another such Report;

Believing any Nation which follows the principles listed above to be deserving of condemnation;

Hereby condemns HC Eredivisie.

[Sedgistan]

When canvassing for support for a proposal, it's generally expected that one should post a copy of the proposal text in their first post, to allow other forum members to easily review your proposal. Also, it helps to get feedback before submitting a proposal, to avoid submitting an illegal proposal.

Your proposal is illegal for a couple of reasons:

Declaring that FlagThe Allied States of Woidia's recent Proposal, Condemn Puppets, is hereby declared null and void;

Your proposal cannot do that. A Condemnation resolution can only condemn the nation/region it's targetted at. If you want your previous proposal deleted, submit a Getting Help Request, and a mod will remove it.

Additionally, you're violating Rule 4 of the Security Council by including a reference to the real-world:

Realizing that these evil, sadistic qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature of FlagThe Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie’s leader, known by the title Dear Leader, which in and of itself belies tendencies toward dictatorship, as the current despot of North Korea is known by this title;

I would recommend submitting a GHR, asking a mod to delete both your proposals. You can then re-draft this one so that it is legal, and perhaps also better argued.

[Woidia]

To the Regional Delegates of the World Assembly Security Council:

Greetings from Woidia. I would like to call your attention to a nation, HC Eredivisie, whose penchant for barbarism and evil is exceedingly great. It has created labor camps, oppressed its citizens, destroyed its environment, and mines exorbitant amounts of nuclear material. My government asks for your support in condemning this nation, thereby signifying your stamp of disapproval on its actions, customs, laws, etc. As arbiters of justice and common sense throughout the world, I implore your help. Would your government be willing to endorse a proposal to condemn this nation, HC Eredivisie? If so, please let me know here. With enough of your support, my government can continue its mission to rid the world of such dangerous and cruel groups.

Please reply within this thread, or via telegram, to express your desire to aid this worthy cause.

Regards,
SIGMA
Head Chancellor of Woidia
Arbiter of the Grand Alliance

[Sedgistan]

I've merged your two threads, as there was no need for separate ones. Make sure you read my above post.

[Woidia]

TEXT OF DRAFT #1: CONDEMN HC EREDIVISIE

Recognizing that it is the civic duty of every Nation which holds to the principles of justice, equity, fairness, and common sense, to promote such principles in any way possible;

Noting that the Nation whose common habits, customs, laws, etc., do not support such conduct is to be considered a violator of the statutes not only of the World Assembly, but of Reason itself;

Observing that the Nation known as The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie has engaged in policy-making decisions which strongly indicate a tendency toward violent and oppressive conduct;

Recounting the irresponsible and dangerous proclivities and qualities of said Nation, listed below:
• Irreverance toward Religion
• Dictatorial Rule
• Oppression of the Poor
• Uninhibited Corporate Greed
• Governmental Corruption
• Exorbitant Taxation, at rates of 100% of income
• Unrestrained and Excessive Production of Nuclear Materials
o Government Spending to Support the Production and Gain of Such Materials
• Institution of Labor Camps
• Ethnic Prejudice and Oppression
• Censorship of Speech
• Utter Disregard for the Enviroment;

Realizing that these evil, sadistic qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature of The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie’s leader, known by the title Dear Leader, which in and of itself belies tendencies toward dictatorship;

Believing any Nation which follows the atrocious principles listed above to be deserving of the condemnation and contempt of all peace-loving Nations;

Hereby condemns The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie.

[Cinistra]

Woidia wrote: Realizing that these evil, sadistic qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature

Here you repeat yourself. I would recommend: "Realizing that these qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature" etc. But why I am helping you? I can not see that all the things you have mentioned are nothing but quite admirable qualities , showing the Dearest Leader benevolent attitude towards his populace .

[Woidia]

Woidia wrote: Realizing that these evil, sadistic qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature

Here you repeat yourself. I would recommend: "Realizing that these qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature" etc. But why I am helping you? I can not see that all the things you have mentioned are nothing but quite admirable qualities , showing the Dearest Leader benevolent attitude towards his populace .

I find it quite... interesting that you think labor camps, exorbitant taxes, and restriction of civil rights are "benevolent". Nevertheless, I appreciate your suggestion.

Regards,
SIGMA

[Ballotonia]

Can you please elaborate on your past personal dealings with the target of this condemnation? I'm a tad mystified on that, as it seems to me most of what's in the resolution could apply to many many nations. Did you pull that nation name from a hat?!?

Ballotonia

[Woidia]

This specific nation was #1 in a recent World Census Report for Most Oppressive Nation.

[Ballotonia]

This specific nation was #1 in a recent World Census Report for Most Oppressive Nation.

Ok, that's noteworthy. I suggest mentioning that in the resolution. It distinguishes the nation from many other nations.

Ballotonia

[Mousebumples]

This specific nation was #1 in a recent World Census Report for Most Oppressive Nation.

#1 in the region? Or #1 in ALLLLLL of NationStates?

Again, the distinction matters, in my mind.

[HC Eredivisie]

I approve this resolution.

[Cinistra]

This specific nation was #1 in a recent World Census Report for Most Oppressive Nation.

For NS at whole or in his own region? If it is the Most Oppressive Nation for NS at whole, it is a beacon of true authoritarianism

[Woidia]

I approve this resolution.

I deeply appreciate your support.

[Woidia]

This specific nation was #1 in a recent World Census Report for Most Oppressive Nation.

For NS at whole or in his own region? If it is the Most Oppressive Nation for NS at whole, it is a beacon of true authoritarianism

In NS as a whole.

[The Blaatschapen]

I would like to add that HC Eredivisie has used nukes in the past. Oh, and that their people eat sheep.

I can only support this resolution.

[Haken Rider]

I approve this resolution.

Pfff, you call that being opressive?

[Woidia]

I approve this resolution.

Pfff, you call that being opressive?

It oppresses its people. If you don't believe me look at its description in NS. The reply was meant to be a joke.

[HC Eredivisie]

What joke, where?

I certainly wasn't joking, I want my condemnation.

[Woidia]

And you will have it! My apologies.

[Woidia]

FINAL DRAFT:

Recognizing that it is the civic duty of every Nation which holds to the principles of justice, equity, fairness, and common sense, to promote such principles in any way possible;

Noting that the Nation whose common habits, customs, laws, etc., do not support such conduct is to be considered a violator of the statutes not only of the World Assembly, but of Reason itself;

Observing that the Nation known as The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie has engaged in policy-making decisions which strongly indicate a tendency toward violent and oppressive conduct;

Recounting the irresponsible and dangerous proclivities and qualities of said Nation, listed below:
- Outlawing of Religious Practice, including the State Church
- Dictatorial Rule
- Oppression of the Poor
- Uninhibited Corporate Greed
- Governmental Corruption
- Exorbitant Taxation, at rates of 100% of income
- Unrestrained and Excessive Production of Nuclear Materials
- Government Spending to Support the Production and Gain of Such Materials
- Use of Nuclear Weapons Against Other Nations
- Institution of Labor Camps
- Ethnic Prejudice and Oppression
- Censorship of Speech
- Utter Disregard for the Enviroment;

Realizing that these qualities reveal the evil, sadistic nature of The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie’s leader, known by the title Dear Leader, which in and of itself belies tendencies toward dictatorship;

Realizing further that this Nation was rated the Most Oppressive Nation in the world in a recent World Census Report, and Most Corrupt Government in another such Report;

Believing any Nation which follows the atrocious principles listed above to be deserving of condemnation and contempt;

Hereby condemns The Yutani Industries of HC Eredivisie.

[Pythria]

HCE has never posted in a roleplay, nor does his region have a roleplay forum. So, can I assume this is based on issues?

[Ballotonia]

HCE has never posted in a roleplay, nor does his region have a roleplay forum. So, can I assume this is based on issues?

Not saying you do, but please please please don't let anyone turn this into a 'issue-players are less than roleplayers or gameplayers' type of "debate".

Ballotonia

[Pythria]

HCE has never posted in a roleplay, nor does his region have a roleplay forum. So, can I assume this is based on issues?

Not saying you do, but please please please don't let anyone turn this into a 'issue-players are less than roleplayers or gameplayers' type of "debate".

Ballotonia

I just don't think people should be condemned for answering issues a certain way.

[Woidia]

I agree with Ballotonia's stance.