[DEFEATED] Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"

[Flemingovia]

If what is above is true, this resolution does indeed look to be heading towards a crash and burn. I would be interested to know who the "four huge delegates" are [joke] (makes us sound like characters from a Chinese legend) [/joke]

Krulltopia and myself i know about. But who else has declared against it? Just Guy from 10000 islands?

[Mallorea and Riva]

If what is above is true, this resolution does indeed look to be heading towards a crash and burn. I would be interested to know who the "four huge delegates" are [joke] (makes us sound like characters from a Chinese legend) [/joke]

Krulltopia and myself i know about. But who else has declared against it? Just Guy from 10000 islands?

Just Guy is solidly against. Flemingovia, how would the North Pacific feel if it was condemned for asking its citizens to endorse "The Islamofascist Terror State of Blue Wolf II"? It has the term Islamofascist in it, how can you possibly be against this repeal yet ask your own citizens to endorse Islamofascism? You are the delegate of this region, I can only assume that Blue Wolf is the safety valve in the event of an emergency/invasion.

[Hitchensland]

I give my full support. I'm a small delegate, but I'll do everything in my power to help us right this wrong. No one should be condemned purely on the basis of their beliefs.

[Flemingovia]

Why not bring the SC resolution and we will find out?

...once the NS world has stopped laughing long enough to vote. it would be good for the lutz.

[Doitzel]

I wish the SC had an added "shut up" button to go with condemnations.

Good luck getting the votes on this one. Ideologies counter to all that is good and decent about humanity tend to ruffle some feathers. This nonsense that we shouldn't be condemning people for thinking differently than us is just that -- nonsense. Suppression of dissident thought is fine and dandy when that dissident thought is destructive by its very nature. As if the Nazis wouldn't be doing the same if they had the votes...

[Pythria]

when that dissident thought is destructive by its very nature.

Not going to argue with you about "This nonsense that we shouldn't be condemning people for thinking differently than us is just that -- nonsense.", because that's clearly something we disagree on. However, mind giving me an example of the destructiveness of this dissident thought? As I said earlier, I'd support the condemnation if it was for a good reason, but not on an ideological basis.

[Grandais]

I wish the SC had an added "shut up" button to go with condemnations.

Good luck getting the votes on this one. Ideologies counter to all that is good and decent about humanity tend to ruffle some feathers. This nonsense that we shouldn't be condemning people for thinking differently than us is just that -- nonsense. Suppression of dissident thought is fine and dandy when that dissident thought is destructive by its very nature.

Perhaps the same can be said of other ideologies. Pfeh, opinions.

[Doitzel]

when that dissident thought is destructive by its very nature.

Not going to argue with you about "This nonsense that we shouldn't be condemning people for thinking differently than us is just that -- nonsense.", because that's clearly something we disagree on. However, mind giving me an example of the destructiveness of this dissident thought? As I said earlier, I'd support the condemnation if it was for a good reason, but not on an ideological basis.

Nazi European nations murdered 6 million exotic Doitzelic cats, including my own (Fluffawufkins) with poisonous gas. You can see here the mummified corpse of my beloved pet,



Aside from murdering my cat, the region as a whole has a long, pre-establishment-that-shall-not-be-named history of aggression towards Europe that cannot be ignored. I mean, it's right in their name -- they want to control the region of Europe. By keeping them condemned and politically marginalised we're actually preventing future liberation debates and votes in the SC.

[Just Guy]

I would just like to remark that 'national socialism' is just a nicer term for Nazism. Other than the Nazi regime, it was more like Fascism than Nazism.

So if you're truly just 'national socialists', why did you name your region NAZI Europe?

[Grandais]

I would just like to remark that 'national socialism' is just a nicer term for Nazism. Other than the Nazi regime, it was more like Fascism than Nazism.

So if you're truly just 'national socialists', why did you name your region NAZI Europe?

Because, like you said, national socialism is Nazism.

Not going to argue with you about "This nonsense that we shouldn't be condemning people for thinking differently than us is just that -- nonsense.", because that's clearly something we disagree on. However, mind giving me an example of the destructiveness of this dissident thought? As I said earlier, I'd support the condemnation if it was for a good reason, but not on an ideological basis.

Nazi European nations murdered 6 million exotic Doitzelic cats, including my own (Fluffawufkins) with poisonous gas. You can see here the mummified corpse of my beloved pet,

Aside from murdering my cat, the region as a whole has a long, pre-establishment-that-shall-not-be-named history of aggression towards Europe that cannot be ignored. I mean, it's right in their name -- they want to control the region of Europe. By keeping them condemned and politically marginalised we're actually preventing future liberation debates and votes in the SC.

Serious posts only.

[Doitzel]

Serious posts only.

Prove me wrong.

[Pythria]

Serious posts only.

Prove me wrong.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Resorting to "they killed my cat, here's a picture of the mummy!"

I would just like to remark that 'national socialism' is just a nicer term for Nazism. Other than the Nazi regime, it was more like Fascism than Nazism.

So if you're truly just 'national socialists', why did you name your region NAZI Europe?

I'm just saying national socialism because I'm tired of people automatically saying "NAZIS ARE BAD!! AGAAAAAINST!!!1". I thought maybe if I said national socialist instead, people wouldn't have the same knee-jerk reaction.

[Sedgistan]

I've split out a load of posts querying WA rules into this thread. Any further discussion of how the rules apply to Condemn Nazi Europe should go in that thread. Keep this one limited to debating the actual repeal.

[Meekinos]

We would like to publicly thank all out of the delegates who have to date lent their support to this repeal. They, like us, know the difference between condemning an action and condemning an idea. The great majority of us, including our government and high council heavily despise the ideology of Nazism, but we've come to the conclusion that if we want our own ideologies to be protected from blind condemnation, we can't pick and choose what we support. We have to allow equal time for ideas. Only then can we defeat that which is detrimental to our survival.

We would rather be condemned for violating international law by engaging in undemocratic practices than be commended for our ideologies.

[Flemingovia]

Rather than thanking the 66 delegates who have approved of this resolution, I would like to thank the 6,171 delegates who have not registered their approval of it.

I look forward to seeing this voted upon, and the opportunity to deny far right regions a propaganda victory.

[Pythria]

Rather than thanking the 66 delegates who have approved of this resolution, I would like to thank the 6,171 delegates who have not registered their approval of it.

897-66=831
Also, really? "I'm not going to thank the people who disagree with me, I'm going to thank the people who may agree with me."

I look forward to seeing this voted upon, and the opportunity to deny far right regions a propaganda victory.

Again, what does the far right have to do with this?

[Flemingovia]

where do you get the figure 897 from? If that is the number of UN delegates in NS (I was going on the number of regions for my figure) then I will happily revise my total down to 831.

And there was no need to thank the 66 since that had already been done. And no, I do not feel an urge to thank those who disagree with me.

[Pythria]

where do you get the figure 897 from? If that is the number of UN delegates in NS (I was going on the number of regions for my figure) then I will happily revise my total down to 831.

And there was no need to thank the 66 since that had already been done. And no, I do not feel an urge to thank those who disagree with me.

I mean, 897 (the total number of delegates, as stated at the top of this page) - 66 (the number of delegates you are not going to thank, as they have approved the proposal) = 831 (the number you are thanking). I know you're not thanking the people you disagree with. It was simply an unnecessary statement. Actually, it reminds me of something a child would say.
"We would like to thank those who supported our proposal"
"Well... we don't thank them! We thank the ones who didn't support it!"

And I repeat my question: Why do you keep mentioning far-right groups? What does that have to do with anything?

[Flemingovia]

In my original post on this topic I agree there was a bit of sloppy writing. I probably ought to have written "AS WELL AS thanking the 66 delegates who have approved of this resolution ... etc"

I commend the 66 for their engagement in the process, even when disagreeing with their stance.

If you think the far right had nothing to do with Nazi Europe, then I begin to see where you are coming from, even while not agreeing with that position.

[Monikian WA Mission]

We would argue that this Far Right you constantly refer to has far more to gain with the existance of the Condemnation. After all a wise man once said "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

I would argue that not only repealing this on the basis that it is an ideology ban which is morally wrong, but that repealing this--rendering it null and void would remove the free propaganda that NE is getting from the SC now.

[Laos Refugees]

We would argue that this Far Right you constantly refer to has far more to gain with the existance of the Condemnation. After all a wise man once said "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

I would argue that not only repealing this on the basis that it is an ideology ban which is morally wrong, but that repealing this--rendering it null and void would remove the free propaganda that NE is getting from the SC now.

Free Propaganda? Please, explain what you're talking about.

[Monikian WA Mission]

We would argue that this Far Right you constantly refer to has far more to gain with the existance of the Condemnation. After all a wise man once said "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

I would argue that not only repealing this on the basis that it is an ideology ban which is morally wrong, but that repealing this--rendering it null and void would remove the free propaganda that NE is getting from the SC now.

Free Propaganda? Please, explain what you're talking about.

It is simple really. The condemnation is a free advertisement of your existence. Like I quoted before the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Why is that? Because if a group is not being talked about it means that they are irrelevant.

[Laos Refugees]

Free Propaganda? Please, explain what you're talking about.

It is simple really. The condemnation is a free advertisement of your existence. Like I quoted before the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Why is that? Because if a group is not being talked about it means that they are irrelevant.

The Condemnation isn't really going to change the arrival of citizens to N.E, and by the way, it's not 'Propaganda', that really made no sense.

[Gibet]

I support this repeal. Although, my vote may not count for much; since I'm not in the WA.

[Mahaj WA Seat]

A telegram from a guy against this repeal
2 hours ago From The Holy Empire of -Apollo-

Dear Delegate,

I see you have are in support of Repealing "Condemn NAZI EUROPE." I will hope you reconsider your stance. Nazism is an ideology of hate and nothing but evil has ever come from it. While the region may claim that there "not really Nazis" or of a hateful nature, I assure you that any nation who'd choice to live in a region like NAZI EUROPE knows what Nazism stands for, and it is unlikely that all the 70+ nations are all "not really Nazis".

I myself am Jewish and am deeply offend by the region and cannot think of any region that more deserves to be Condemned more. I believe the WA Security Council should stand against these hateful and racist values to make NS a better place, repealing this will be a step backwards.

I thank you for your time,
-Apollo-