[DEFEATED] Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"

[Sedgistan]

It's been a while since we've had one of these. It was about time.

Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"

A resolution to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal

Description: Description: WA Security Council Resolution #3: Condemn NAZI EUROPE shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Acknowledging the motivation behind the condemnation and the intent of its author, TannerFrankLand, to discourage intolerance in any form as an honourable goal;

Noting that the condemnation was based on the name and the associated beliefs, not on any known malicious or hostile action ascribable to NAZI EUROPE;

Asserting that while the Nazi ideology may be perceived as one of hate, one that is dangerous to minorities, the existence of the condemnation creates an undeniably detrimental precedent in that other ideologies may stand to be condemned by their detractors and enemies for nothing more than an idea or belief because of misconceptions and misinformation;

Understanding that while many disagree with the core values of the Nazi ideology, a dislike or fear of an idea, belief or ideology is no grounds for condemnation;

Believing that the condemnation of thought and belief undermines the tireless efforts of the World Assembly to create a world where freedom of expression means more than just allowing the ideas and words we agree with;

Further believing that the defeat of intolerance toward minorities and cultures is accomplished by condemning dangerous and malicious actions, not words, ideas or beliefs;

Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #3: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Our basis for the repeal is that we oughtn't condemn or commend beliefs, thoughts or ideas but rather the actions taken by their supports.

'Hate' may be perceived as an element of the ideology but condemnation of the ideology accomplishes nothing other than to divide us. Our efforts as an international body should be focused on drawing attention to the actions of nations and regions. Actions speak louder than words and we should reinforce that.

We welcome delegate input; any suggestions?

[Unibot]

i just wrote this now after reading your own proposal as inspiration, I don't intend on submitting it, so maybe you'll find something in it to use. (OOC: Ive got to run to class!)

The Security Council,

Recognizing that "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" condemned a region on the basis of a name -- an extension of said name -- its connotation, with the knowledge of the mass death, pain, misery, suffering, desolation and loss of faith in the good of humanity that had transpired with the genocidal tolerance of antisemitic and homophobic notions,

Endeavoring to find the cause of such discrimination, so the Security Council can establish a philosophy towards its ultimate mission of disseminating interregional peace and goodwill,

Noting that Nazis' tolerance of violent and extreme discrimination has not arisen out of an isolated vacuum, but has evolved from a milder tolerance of discrimination, perhaps antilocution,

Further Noting that before the tolerance of extermination -- discriminators generally will resort to moral condemnation as a means of identifying the discriminated as "evil", which is merely a phrase used to trump all serious considerations of diplomacy and/or genuine and benevolent confrontation,

Hoping with every fiber of morality that strands together its institution that the horrific death and horrors beyond death that has been manufactured under the Nazi banner will not be yet another series of human conflict where nothing is learnt for preventing similar experiences of suffering for propriety's sake,

Determining that the benefit of censorship is immediate moral gratification but the price is nevertheless the truth -- truths that we can hold self-evident are sold away to protect our morality, like the foundation of a building having been removed to keep it from falling -- censorship serves no purpose other than to prevent what it hopes to attain,

Rectifying our past mistakes on the basis that there is no moral conviction that could lead to the Security Council aligning itself in moral condemnation against any association by name only,

Suggesting that the Security Council ought to condemn those whose actions or permissions, not their associated colleagues, warrant a condemnation,

Believing that it would be absolutely fair and tolerable for prospective authors to submit a future condemnation of NAZI EUROPE, on the basis of research that is specific to NAZI EUROPE -- such research which may reveal that a condemnation is necessary for the promotion of a better regional policy, public awareness or some other extension of punishment theory,

Understanding that the victims of any possible transgression(s) made against them by NAZI EUROPE remain unredressed, with a misleading document having been adopted to preserve an archaic way of thinking that surely will isolate the truth from morality -- a dangerous precedent to have committed to,

Hereby Repeals "Condemn NAZI EUROPE".

[Sedgistan]

I was actually considering a draft too

Mine was going to be about how while Nazi Europe may be worthy of condemnation, the poorly-reasoned arguments of the existing one meant that the condemnation wasn't taken seriously by the international community, and that it should therefore be repealed to allow the possibility of a better argued replacement.

Yours works well, though - but like any repeal of Condemn Nazi Europe, it'd need a lot of lobbying of influential delegates/regions beforehand to have any chance of success.

[Meekinos]

Like, you perhaps? You and your vast influence.

[Topid]

Good luck, permission to use my name (referring to TannerFrankLand) in any way you want. Writing that goddamn resolution was the dumbest thing I've ever done... And that is saying something.

We were SO close last time.

[Unibot]

Good luck, permission to use my name (referring to TannerFrankLand) in any way you want. Writing that goddamn resolution was the dumbest thing I've ever done... And that is saying something.

We were SO close last time.

I'm pretty sure if TWP had supported it, you would have had it.

[Meekinos]

Good luck, permission to use my name (referring to TannerFrankLand) in any way you want. Writing that goddamn resolution was the dumbest thing I've ever done... And that is saying something.

We were SO close last time.

Yes, how true. We were on the right track last time. Let's hope that we continue to stay on that track. We'll find a way to use it.

And Eduard, we're going to look over your version to see what would fit with ours. A quick glance shows it to be promising. We will of course give credit where credit is due should we borrow your ideas.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It seems as though everyone was considering a repeal of this recently. You will have my support, just find the fifty or so other delegates you'll need.

[Glen-Rhodes]

We were SO close last time.

I'm convinced it's a negative correlation. As more repeals are put forth, opposition decreases. Sooner or later, the resolution will get repealed. It's really just a matter of waiting for the usual vocal opposition to become inactive.

[Darkesia]

Ohforgodssake. How much free recruitment are you dummies going to give these neo-nazi punks?

[Glen-Rhodes]

Ohforgodssake. How much free recruitment are you dummies going to give these neo-nazi punks?

As much as it takes for the resolution to be repealed, I would guess.

[Unibot]

Ohforgodssake. How much free recruitment are you dummies going to give these neo-nazi punks?

Dummy? *giggles* As much 'free' recruitment is necessary to get this thing repealed.

[Zoerb]

You have my support. I have read some history on this stuff and I hope you can finaly get this passed. I offer any help I can give.

[Meekinos]

Ohforgodssake. How much free recruitment are you dummies going to give these neo-nazi punks?

Condemning regions and nations solely on an idea, thought, belief or ideology is weak. Fault can be found with any ideology one considers to be an enemy to the values one holds. A condemnation should be based on actions, not beliefs. The purpose of repealing is to undo the damage caused by the precedent, not because we believe in the ideology.

[Just Guy]

(I'll) Stomp Stomp Stomp the vote
Defeat the resolution
Merrily merrily merrily merrily
Nazis are sh*t

No flaming intended. Really. Don't know what the standards are here.

[Ballotonia]

(I'll) Stomp Stomp Stomp the vote
Defeat the resolution
Merrily merrily merrily merrily
Nazis are sh*t

No flaming intended. Really. Don't know what the standards are here.

And that also gives an answer as to how much free publicity they'll continue to get from this. Every few months a bunch of free publicity for a long time to come, as far as 10KI is concerned.

Ballotonia

[Just Guy]

Or maybe you guys should realise it's time to stop submitting repeals? You know, that would solve the problem too...

[Meekinos]

(I'll) Stomp Stomp Stomp the vote
Defeat the resolution
Merrily merrily merrily merrily
Nazis are sh*t

No flaming intended. Really. Don't know what the standards are here.

You do realise that the word Nazi in your little chant could be replaced with any other word? Our objective is to undo a bad precedent. We would hate to see another nation or region condemned just for a thought or belief. It would be so easy to demonise capitalists or any other ideological group. It could even be used as inspiration to condemn a region or nation for a religion just because of what the religion stands for and not the actions.

[Ballotonia]

Or maybe you guys should realise it's time to stop submitting repeals? You know, that would solve the problem too...

When last time things were already that close?!? Giving up would be plain silly. Also, I don't mind giving them free publicity. As far as I'm concerned they're just a bunch of non-Nazi RPers who never deserved to be condemned in the first place. If setting that error straight highlights NS to the presence of their region, that's just fine by me.

Ballotonia

[Glen-Rhodes]

No flaming intended. Really. Don't know what the standards are here.

You won't be a delegate forever. There's no statute of limitations on repeals. ;]

[Darkesia]

No wonder nazi chat boards laud this game as a place they can promote their sick ideas. You people think poor grammar is more important than NS's reputation. Yes. That breaks the idiotic fourthrule. But this game is a game. No matter how you try to change it. And this game is considered a place to come to promote Neo-nazi racist, violent ideals.

They aren't role players.

[Mallorea and Riva]

No wonder nazi chat boards laud this game as a place they can promote their sick ideas. You people think poor grammar is more important than NS's reputation. Yes. That breaks the idiotic fourthrule. But this game is a game. No matter how you try to change it. And this game is considered a place to come to promote Neo-nazi racist, violent ideals.

They aren't role players.

They have hateful ideas, but they have a right to express them within the limitations set by the moderators. They were condemned based on the name of their region, they have not done anything according to the condemnation.
This is a place to simulate the world, or a fantasy world. They may state their beliefs, but we can combat them through debate, not silly condemnations.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

The logic in this thread seems to be along the lines of, 'Adolf Hitler was bad, but poor grammar is worse.'

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

No wonder nazi chat boards laud this game as a place they can promote their sick ideas. You people think poor grammar is more important than NS's reputation. Yes. That breaks the idiotic fourthrule. But this game is a game. No matter how you try to change it. And this game is considered a place to come to promote Neo-nazi racist, violent ideals.

They aren't role players.

They have hateful ideas, but they have a right to express them within the limitations set by the moderators. They were condemned based on the name of their region, they have not done anything according to the condemnation.
This is a place to simulate the world, or a fantasy world. They may state their beliefs, but we can combat them through debate, not silly condemnations.

No, we can combat them through condemnations as well. Anything that encourages them to leave our community is a good thing - they are completely unwanted here.

I've no sympathy for Nazis.

[Meekinos]

No wonder nazi chat boards laud this game as a place they can promote their sick ideas. You people think poor grammar is more important than NS's reputation. Yes. That breaks the idiotic fourthrule. But this game is a game. No matter how you try to change it. And this game is considered a place to come to promote Neo-nazi racist, violent ideals.

They aren't role players.

ooc: we get it, you're having a tantrum. Now, if you want to be a constructive part of this discussion, your input is welcome. If you're just going to kvetch needlessly about some offsite irrelevancy, then please, don't bother. A great portion of us do revile the idea of Nazism, but for all intents and purposes, we're ignoring the real world because frankly it doesn't factor in. You've made your point, you disagree with the repeal.

The logic in this thread seems to be along the lines of, 'Adolf Hitler was bad, but poor grammar is worse.'

ooc: bad grammar has nothing to do with it, and neither does Adolf Hitler -- a godwin already? Gee, that didn't take long. If you look at the original condemnation, it focuses on vague elements associated with the ideology. There are other ideologies which may potentially advocate violence against minorities and promote intolerance. Nazism isn't the only ideology which may be "condoning and encouraging such beliefs is a danger to a large range of minorities and cultures".