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PASSED: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:04 am

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Condemn NAZI EUROPE

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: NAZI EUROPE | Proposed by: TannerFrankLand

Description: RECOGNIZING the Nazi ideology as one of hate,

ASSERTING that any region condoning and encouraging such beliefs is a danger to a large range of minorities and cultures,

FURTHER ASSERTING that it is our responsibility to discourage this kind of intolerance,

HOPING that an official condemnation from the World Assembly will discourage people from listening to or believing any messages of hate or intolerance from this region,

the World Assembly hereby condemns the region of NAZI EUROPE.


PRESIDING OFFICER: I yield the floor.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Scarsaw » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:25 am

((OOC: I would like to include the link to the draft for this Condemnation, as a debate there about the region was started and could bring about points or questions that should be posted here viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2915&start=0))
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Surote » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:32 am

We should not condemn them just because of there belief if That's why I would condemn all the christian states I don't do and neither should we do Nazi europe

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Scarsaw » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:34 am

The Federation of Scarsaw would likes to show it's amusement that we are the ones condemned, when we rarely extend our ideology beyond our region's boarders or harass others with it and are often threatened, harassed, and mocked by others. Often we have to tolerate comments in our region's boarders such as "Well, well, well, look what we have here. A putrid little nest of Nazis ripe for eradication" and constant threats from raiding regions like the Genesis Defense Project and Shadow Warriors. Now, the Federation does not want to use this to gather any sort of sympathy, but wanted to point out a side that people of the World Assembly might over look or could have had withheld from them when voting on the condemnation of NAZI EUROPE.

It is true that the ideology of National Socialism and/or Nazism is an ideal that bands our region together, but it is also an ideal highly up for interpretation. The Federation has noticed that the public in general are ill educated when it comes to National Socialism, as they often dismiss it too fast to understand what they are dismissing. National Socialism is a concept created by a French man long ago and to put into lay man's terms, it is the unity of a nation by declaring a common 'enemy' of the nation, along with providing socialist programs, views and care to the people within the boarders. Commonly the enemy of the nation is seen as another race, for an old saying goes "my race is my nation," but that may not always be the case. It could be another culture or, in the Federation of Scarsaw's case, those still infected with the solanum virus, commonly known as zombies or undead. Nazism is much more well known. It is generally a type of National Socialism created by a German man years ago, with strong militarism and the 'enemy' is declared as those outside of the Aryan race. I hope that this brief layman's description of the ideology will help bring some clarification to the other nations of the World Assembly.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Keicyathusth » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:39 am

I am voting against it because I think the resolution is poorly worded. There is one line that is especially bad.

HOPING that an official condemnation from the World Assembly will discourage people from listening to or believing any messages of hate or intolerance from this region,


Really? Gee, and I thought people had minds of their own...
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Tina Fey » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:48 am

Surote wrote:We should not condemn them just because of there belief if That's why I would condemn all the christian states I don't do and neither should we do Nazi europe

This sums it up.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:52 am

Really?? They have Nazi regions in NS??! :roll:

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Postby Aundotutunagir » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:16 am

Hiriaurtung Arororugul addresses the General Assembly dressed head to toe in a white robe and a pointy white hat. He is flanked on both sides by swastikas, burning crosses and Aundotutunagirian flags. The heat from the burning crosses causes the flags to flap and sway. A jaunty military march plays in the background.

"The Aundotutunagirian People oppose this! The philosophy known as National Socialism is unknown to us*, so I have had to embark on a course of study to educate myself on its tenets. I find no fault with the teachings of National Socialism as practiced by the region of NAZI EUROPE. I cannot fathom why this Region would deserve condemnation for practicing them."

"Furthermore, I am disturbed by the fact that these nations and this region are prohibited from employing the symbol known as the swastika. Unlike National Socialism, the swastika is known to the Aundotutunagirian People. It is known to us as an ancient religious symbol of eternity and eternal motion. I am proud to display this ancient and noble symbol on the dais here today."

Behind General Arororugul, a giant swastika approximately 20 feet in diameter and wrapped in fireworks is suddenly ignited. Rockets attached to each "arm" cause the swastika to begin slowly rotating, throwing sparks high into the air. As the rotating swastika gains speed, the sparks are thrown higher and higher, many of them landing on flammable surfaces. Small fires begin to break out throughout the Security Council chambers.

"Heil!!!"

* OOC: Aundotutunagir exists on an alternate earth, on a different timeline. WWII, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy never existed there. General Arororugul would be genuinely ignorant of RL national socialism or Nazism. His understanding of the terms would be based entirely on what information he could glean from sources within the NationStates multiverse.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Trialta » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:32 am

All you need to know is that National Socialism is that in a Nazi state, individuals are regarded by the government as tools, and those who oppose are killed. In addition, due to Nazi racial ideology, 13 million innocent civilians were killed in a crime against humanity.

That is National Socialism. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Postby -KENNEDY- » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:37 am

Trialta wrote:All you need to know is that National Socialism is that in a Nazi state, individuals are regarded by the government as tools, and those who oppose are killed. In addition, due to Nazi racial ideology, 13 million innocent civilians were killed in a crime against humanity.

That is National Socialism. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(




Is there a need to say more?

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Cat Holocaust » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:42 am

Aundotutunagir wrote:Small fires begin to break out throughout the Security Council chambers.


As the fires spread and begin to engulf the chamber, a little man carrying a dead cat addresses the council.

"Ja! Ja! Die Flammen verbrauchen diese Höhle von Depravity! Wie Herausforderung verurteilen Sie diese Region für das Üben des nationalen sozialismus? Wir verwenden den Unterricht des nationalen sozialismus täglich in unseren Bemühungen, unsere Nation von den unaussprechlichen Katzen zu reinigen. Die Katzedrohung ist ein reales Problem für uns und ohne unsere politischen Lehren würden wir nicht in der Lage sein, sich von dieser Seuche zu reinigen. Die abschließende Lösung zum Katzeproblem wird durch die korrekte Implementierung des nationalen sozialismus erzielt. Bald wird die letzte Katze in unserem Land geabschafft und wir sind von dieser Beeinträchtigung frei."

He waves the dead cat at the assembled ambassadors, then runs for his life as a flaming beam crashes to the stage.

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Surote » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:47 am

-KENNEDY- wrote:
Trialta wrote:All you need to know is that National Socialism is that in a Nazi state, individuals are regarded by the government as tools, and those who oppose are killed. In addition, due to Nazi racial ideology, 13 million innocent civilians were killed in a crime against humanity.

That is National Socialism. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(




Is there a need to say more?


That's not national socialism that's just a very corrupt govt. I'm not saying that every nazi is evil there are some good ones

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Qumkent » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:50 am

Wondering passed the SC chamber with his assistant, Tarmashirin of Herat, the Qumkenti Ambassador Mongkha Khan of Kashgar catches sight of the giant twirling incandescent Swastika and has a familiar sinking feeling in the pit of his stomach, a comforting sensation which reminds him of better of times.

Montioning to his servant he wanders in to see the Aundotutunagirian Ambassador hailing the swastika and expounding the benefits of national socialism.

"I see you are as insouciant as ever noble General, and once again you cannot help yourself but shame and disgrace your people in the eyes of the entire world. Ah it is good to see you noble General, how goes it in Golthaindroror ?" Mongkha calls out.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Surote » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:53 am

What did the nazi do in Nationstates that hurt us unless there hurting people in anyway in nationstates they should not be condemned

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Absolvability » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:02 am

OOC: This is without a doubt the worst proposal I've ever seen make quorom. An overt example of what many have feared... that when we combine emotion-wrenching words in appropriate orders it doesn't really matter what we say. The proposal doesn't list a damn thing that NAZI EUROPE has done wrong in NationStates; It makes vague allusions to what Nazis have done in real life. I know that C&Cs can be written OOCly, but I'd think they'd be restricted to a GP point of view... as in... still involving this game.

Or maybe that is in fact what this is about. For the lack of detail we may never know. I'm not familiar with the region or incredibly knowledgable of the ideology behind it but I could pull a better condemnation out of my ass. It just so happens that I keep them warm that way.

I understand that the region may very well be worthy of condemnation, but this proposal doesn't offer any convincing or intelligent reasons why. It is more important than ever to hold OURSELVES to high standards when we are condemning the ways of others.

IC: -Antonius was fairly unimpressed by the entire scene. Hell, he didn't really fancy the idea of the Security Council anyway. Of course, Ambassadors didn't always have a lot of choice where they got sent to perform their duties, so this displeasure was nothing startling or new. Bad or good, Antonius would've killed for something startling or new.

He'd just been lamenting such things when, as his mother had often warned, he got what he wished for. Hiriaurtung Arororugul appeared at the head of the Assembly to speak his piece and had quite a display in tow. Antonius rocked gently forward from his chair, having been leaning with a foot on the table's edge, and settled back to all four oak legs that he could have some stability while his arms slowly uncrossed and his jaw slowly dropped.

Of course... the time for staring like an idiot, regrettedly, is often a very small allotment. A few sparks began to work through his suit sleeves and he gave his arm a familiar shake-- familiar because he'd been a common welder before the reformation of his nation's political system-- and he seemed to be smiling distantly.

However, noticing the problem in flaming documents and screeching Delegates, he would eventually rise and make use of the fire extinguisher mounted on the near wall. Walking up to the spinning swastika Antonius aims the hose and depresses the handle/trigger, releasing such a cloud that even the vibrance of the sparks disappeared... swastika arms spinning until each of the pyrotechnic riggings had their turn at being put out.

Waving a hand about himself as the dust-like extinguisher contents began to settle, he took advantage of his close proximity to the Aundotutunagirian Ambassador to speak.-

"It's odd, Ambassador, that you're unfamiliar with the idea of National Socialism yet know about the swastika's religious significance as well as having at least a modest knowledge of the German language."
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Codnavscar » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:03 am

This is outrageous. There is no reason to condemn a region just for its political views and ideology. I in no way support Nazis but they have the right to believe anything they want to believe. If this Condemnation passes it just shows that the WA isn't FOR freedom but rather that they are AGAINST it. For this reason the WA must vote against this obscene proposal for the Condemnation of NAZI EUROPE.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Danoshek II » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:06 am

Concurred

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Postby Codnavscar » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:11 am

I am 100% sure that there are regions out there that impose a threat to the WA and all it stands for. NAZI EUROPE however,is not one of those regions. Look at regions like "The Axis of Evil" or "The Axis of Evil Army." These regions propose a threat. Lets not waste our time on peaceful regions with no intent to harm the WA or its purpose, lets instead spend our time condemning regions that impose a serious threat.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Qumkent » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:14 am

Absolvability wrote:Snip


OOC. Aundotutunagir exists in the same universe as Urgench, it shares the real world's history up untill the 15th century when it then diverges quite radically, the swastika and the German language both exist in Aun and Urg's world but they have none of the history of those things in in the real world since the 15th century. Urgench even has a large German minority on it western frontier which includes Silesia and east Moravia, and some german speaking Polish provinces. There's also a large Aundotutunagirian minority in Urgench, they've escaped the lunatical regime which rules that state. Here's a map to show you Aun and Urg- http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=T ... otutunagir
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Savage Dogs » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:24 am

Well a lot has been said and a lot of torches have been lit. Personally I think that it this region should be condemned. Nazi's created a sad point in world history. They basiacally started the war that became the definiton of death.

Nazi europe is not a joke. We don't go around making regions named after horrible events in history and neither should they.

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby San Guillermo » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:26 am

I oppose this legislation due to the poor wording of the Condemnation, especially it's vagueness on this "Nazi ideology", as not all nations know what this ideologue is.

One AGAINST vote for me.

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby The Master Squirrels » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:39 am

We squirrels believe that Nazi Europe should be condemned for obvious reasons.

One vote for.

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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Scarsaw » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:45 am

Trialta wrote:All you need to know is that National Socialism is that in a Nazi state, individuals are regarded by the government as tools, and those who oppose are killed. In addition, due to Nazi racial ideology, 13 million innocent civilians were killed in a crime against humanity.

That is National Socialism. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


The Federation would like to education Trialta in the fact that National Socialism is not the same as Nazism. Nazism is a type of National Socialism. Also, the Federation wish to point out to the World Assembly of the fact that this resolution has created many spammers to our region and threats of violence. Isn't spamming condemned by the WA?
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Veilyonia » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:47 am

Personally, I believe many nations have brought up great reasons for voting against this resolution. The wording of the resolution, is weak, and NAZI EUROPE poses no immediate threat to the World Assembly.

However, I will be voting for this legislation.

While NAZI EUROPE has arguably stayed within their borders and kept their ideology away from other regions, they, quite honestly have not. While they have made no attempt to spread their political views, they have, as one can see from the number of Neo-Nazi organizations in NationStates today.

In addition, the Nazi ideology is not one I will tolerate. While the resolution fails to identify the components of this ideology, it is presumed that most nations understand it, and, unless you were an extremely sheltered child you should have a basic understanding of this ideology. While NAZI EUROPE does not directly express any hatred towards Jews, or desire to eradicate all governmental opposition, the very term suggests this. The Nazi regime in Europe lead to the deaths of millions of people who were painfully killed due to their race, appearance, or religion. After a resolution that condemned Macedon for Macedonism, a similar ideology, I don't see why people are so keen to jump on the fact that it's okay if you're a Nazi.

While National Socialism is a political system, it was also a political party that wiped out millions of people, trying to create a master race. The Nazi regime in Europe took genocide to an extreme against which all other similar events are measured. And while you may claim it is "just a political system," its name has been forever tarnished by the Holocaust. You may not intend to express this, but the very name of your region "NAZI EUROPE," suggests a Europe ruled by this regime which still leaves great physical and emotional scars on not just individuals, but entire races.

I wish that this resolution was written better, I honestly do. It fails to specifically address many of these points. However, I cannot bring myself to vote against a resolution that would show the entire NS community that we are above such things. Regardless of your reason for voting for or against, your vote sends a message of tolerance or intolerance for a region that embraces genocide and merciless killing.

If that is the kind of ideology you wish to tolerate, so be it, but I will not be so tolerant.
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Re: At Vote: Condemn NAZI EUROPE

Postby Codnavscar » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:05 pm

With that ideology we would need to condemn every region with the name "NAZI" in it. That is an impossible feat. And what do we do with regions like "Axis"?
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