[PASSED] Condemn Durkadurkiranistan II

[A mean old man]

You know, I don't much care for you, your mean, a mean old man...

(this was replying to the post below which out of order due to re-posting)

Aye.

[The Rich Port]

You know, I don't much care for you, your mean, a mean old man...

(this was replying to the post below which out of order due to re-posting)

Aye.

Hopefully, you remembered to take your blood pressure pills.

It would be nice if someone could come up with something to my suggestion. That way we can get this gravy train moving. I get the feeling Durka deserves this at least in half.

[A mean old man]

These kinds of things are hard to get settled. Unibot told me that the legitimate delegate had been ousted whilst a transfer of power occurred from the old delegate to the new. If this were voted upon in an outside forum, it would make the case against Durka all the more legitimate and the condemnation would be easy.

Durk never was elected delegate of TNP. Flemingovia was elected delegate of TNP, ending Ermarian's reign, and as the two were switching, Durk endotarted (and received exterior aid) to surpass both the former and the next delegate in endorsements and once again became delegate of the region.

[The Rich Port]

These kinds of things are hard to get settled. Unibot told me that the legitimate delegate had been ousted whilst a transfer of power occurred from the old delegate to the new. If this were voted upon in an outside forum, it would make the case against Durka all the more legitimate and the condemnation would be easy.

Durk never was elected delegate of TNP. Flemingovia was elected delegate of TNP, ending Ermarian's reign, and as the two were switching, Durk endotarted (and received exterior aid) to surpass both the former and the next delegate in endorsements and once again became delegate of the region.

... Huh. You know this for a fact? Where the hell is Durka? He needs to admit to this.

[A mean old man]

... Huh. You know this for a fact? Where the hell is Durka? He needs to admit to this.

I can't imagine why he wouldn't. He takes pride in his clever tricks.

What I've just told you is sort of old news, anyway.

[Unibot]

Durk never was elected delegate of TNP. Flemingovia was elected delegate of TNP, ending Ermarian's reign, and as the two were switching, Durk endotarted (and received exterior aid) to surpass both the former and the next delegate in endorsements and once again became delegate of the region.

... Huh. You know this for a fact? Where the hell is Durka? He needs to admit to this.

Um, I actually told you this by telegram. I committed a troop of 3 or so men to help Durk get the delegacy.. hence the controversy. I was convinced Durk had good plans for the region, I probably could not have been more wrong, hence our 12-13 man strong commitment to get him out of power.

[The Rich Port]

I can't imagine why he wouldn't. He takes pride in his clever tricks.

What I've just told you is sort of old news, anyway.

Um, I actually told you this by telegram. I committed a troop of 3 or so men to help Durk get the delegacy.. hence the controversy. I was convinced Durk had good plans for the region, I probably could not have been more wrong, hence our 12-13 man strong commitment to get him out of power.

That's the thing, though. For any of this to hold up, there should be proof. That's my 5 cents, at least.

[Winter Vacationers]

I can't imagine why he wouldn't. He takes pride in his clever tricks.

What I've just told you is sort of old news, anyway.

Um, I actually told you this by telegram. I committed a troop of 3 or so men to help Durk get the delegacy.. hence the controversy. I was convinced Durk had good plans for the region, I probably could not have been more wrong, hence our 12-13 man strong commitment to get him out of power.

That's the thing, though. For any of this to hold up, there should be proof. That's my 5 cents, at least.

What would be acceptable as proof? It's common knowledge on The North Pacific forum that Durk II was never elected delegate.

[A mean old man]

That's the thing, though. For any of this to hold up, there should be proof. That's my 5 cents, at least.

What would be acceptable as proof? It's common knowledge on The North Pacific forum that Durk II was never elected delegate.

Could also have watched all the events happen right before your eyes, like I did.

[Unibot]

That's the thing, though. For any of this to hold up, there should be proof. That's my 5 cents, at least.

Will this do?

[Mousebumples]

I'm for this resolution. Sure, its not perfect, but it does manage to get across the basic arguments about why Durk should be condemned. Yes, there's more reasons why JAL could've been condemned - but if they're not necessary to get this passed, there's no real obligation to include them.

I've always wanted to test out the "multiple badges" possibility of the SC. (be it one of each badge, or multiples of one or the other)

Another Condemnation - covering those other facts - may be worth pursuing, if they are significant enough, at least.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The government of Durkadurkiranistan II has already been punished with a ban and ejection from the region concerned, so Ms. Harper is abstaining.

[The Rich Port]

Of course that's enough! This is gonna pass, EASY

[Grosseschnauzer]

As a long-time resident of The North Pacific, and who has gone through many rogue Delegates there almost from the day I came into Nationstates, I am supporting this resolution.

Durky betrayed a trust which the residents and participants in TNP placed in him to act as a temporary delegate while the region conducted its traditional and long standing practice of off-site elections, and conduct the usual transition process to the new elected Delegate.

Durky, it seems had other ideas. However, the long-term residents of the region have acquired a set of battle-tested skills to deal with this, taking into account the influence factor that now dictates. So while Durky's unforgivable behavior towards newly formed sparrows of influence couldn't be blocked, the time frame could be limited, and many of us who have more influence than Durky had as a temporary, interim Delegate, did what we had to do among the WA members in the region to put a stop to it.

A condemnation would serve a purpose.....namely, that when a region choose to use an off-site mechanism to select a Delegate by election, it is entitled to have that process respected; and when someone is to act as a temporary placeholder Delegate, they should know what that means and that going beyond that role had its consequences.

I have little doubt that others will try the rogue path in the future because they don't know any better, and do not yet understand how influence now plays a role in assuring regional stability. Some of us do understand it, and we'll use it in defense of our region, and our traditions and institutions.

[Reseda Island]

I'm not voting, because I was basically mocked for the same idea.

[The Rich Port]

I'm not voting, because I was basically mocked for the same idea.

That sucks. But, then again, has Durka done this before?

[Grosseschnauzer]

But, then again, has Durka done this before?

Durky boy claims in his sig that he's banned or ejected 2800 or so sparrows of influence during his various tenures as Delegate in different regions.

[Mahaj]

But, then again, has Durka done this before?

Durky boy claims in his sig that he's banned or ejected 2800 or so sparrows of influence during his various tenures as Delegate in different regions.

Probably true.

As I said before, the time frame for this Condemnation to be worth something has passed.

[Grosseschnauzer]

No the condemnation would have value in the future. It will serve as a reminder that this sort of conduct isn't viewed as being acceptable, and in that sense this resolution would be a precedent.

One has to start somewhere. This time is as good as any.

[Bears Armed]

No the condemnation would have value in the future. It will serve as a reminder that this sort of conduct isn't viewed as being acceptable, and in that sense this resolution would be a precedent.

One has to start somewhere. This time is as good as any.

"Heyyah, long time no scent!"
*(waves a paw in GS's direction)*

[Metania]

While the quality of this one is lacking, my position stays the same. I tire of people who fear condemning people who 'want' the condemnation. If the person being condemned is truly nefarious, then of course they will want it--the point of the condemnation is to warn less wary people of the nefarious intentions of the condemnee, so this condemnation is warranted.

[Retired WerePenguins]

This is a very interesting resolution ... BUT STUPID. So what is this moron from Trav khar doing with an internal matter in the region of The North Pacific? (Yes that was a rhetorical question. I fear I already know the answer.) How can Durkadurkiranistan II have anyh impact on the region of The North Pacific when the nation is currently in the region of the West Pacific after having been already banned by Blue Wolf II one day before he lost his delegate status to Durkadurkiranistan II? Why am I even having to bother tracing this inane history? Hasn't the normal process worked?

Condenations are not something to stick to the back of a nation that you eject from your region, even if you use a pupper region to propose such nonsense.

Very interesting ... BUT STUPID.

[Mahaj]

This is a very interesting resolution ... BUT STUPID. So what is this moron from Trav khar doing with an internal matter in the region of The North Pacific? (Yes that was a rhetorical question. I fear I already know the answer.) How can Durkadurkiranistan II have anyh impact on the region of The North Pacific when the nation is currently in the region of the West Pacific after having been already banned by Blue Wolf II one day before he lost his delegate status to Durkadurkiranistan II? Why am I even having to bother tracing this inane history? Hasn't the normal process worked?

Condenations are not something to stick to the back of a nation that you eject from your region, even if you use a pupper region to propose such nonsense.

Very interesting ... BUT STUPID.

says the guy from AO.

[Kalibarr]

This is a very interesting resolution ... BUT STUPID. So what is this moron from Trav khar doing with an internal matter in the region of The North Pacific? (Yes that was a rhetorical question. I fear I already know the answer.) How can Durkadurkiranistan II have anyh impact on the region of The North Pacific when the nation is currently in the region of the West Pacific after having been already banned by Blue Wolf II one day before he lost his delegate status to Durkadurkiranistan II? Why am I even having to bother tracing this inane history? Hasn't the normal process worked?

Condenations are not something to stick to the back of a nation that you eject from your region, even if you use a pupper region to propose such nonsense.

Very interesting ... BUT STUPID.

says the guy from AO.

Seriously?

Did you read that rant I posted a few months ago?

It's this kind of crap that makes me want to stop participating in the SC.

[Grosseschnauzer]

When the region affected supports the condemnation that should have some meaning.

Blue Wolf didn't act in a vacuum. He had been elected Vice Delegate in The North Pacific's off-site election process, and was in a position sooner than the newly elected Delegate to take the Delegacy away from a rogue. Don't tell us in TNP our history when in fact we know it better than you do.

You may not recognize our traditions and institutions in TNP, but we do have them and follow them. We, regionally, think a condemnation is useful and desirable, even if it is symbolic in some respects. Certain behaviors shouldn't be tolerated, and Durky's behavior as an interim caretaker is an example.

I feel sorry for The West Pacific. Hopefully, they won't make the mistake of trusting Durky as TNP did.