(PASSED) Repeal SC#19 - Commend Antarctic Oasis

[Enn]

So Angelo takes a week off without telling anyone, then texts me to say our region's being un-Commended? Madness.

To continue to stir up the madness, I've been directed to vote FOR this un-Commendation. So there!

Stephanie Fulton,
WA Ambassador for Enn

[Tzorsland]

I would urge you to re-consider your vote, Enn. The removal of the regional Commendation, especially as it comes so close to NaNowriMo month is exceptionally dangerous. It could have reprocussions.

I have no idea what they would be, but I'm sure something will happen, even if only at the Stranger's Bar.

[Corbyn Island]

The allegations levelled against Antarctic Oasis have been considered by our Select Committe for Interregional Policy and have been dismissed as spurious. A note by one of our secretaries of state was clipped to the memo, suggesting that the resolution posed a damaging precedent for future international conduct.
We are therefore voting firmly against.

In solidarity,
Corbyn Island International Affairs Dept.

[Sedgistan]

Somoene commented on an offsite forum that the resolution reads more like a condemnation of AO than a repeal of their commendation (the text of which is not referred to). While I'd be pleased to see their commendation gone, and I agree with the points raised in the repeal - it just doesn't seem right as a repeal. I'm abstaining on this one.

[A mean old man]

Somoene commented on an offsite forum that the resolution reads more like a condemnation of AO than a repeal of their commendation (the text of which is not referred to). While I'd be pleased to see their commendation gone, and I agree with the points raised in the repeal - it just doesn't seem right as a repeal. I'm abstaining on this one.

It's a lot less hot than anything anyone who really had fiery feelings against AO would write (based on his ideas in the other thread, I'm guessing Unibot thinks it isn't harsh enough - and I admit, I probably would have written something with a different tone). I think this is as tame and IC as a repeal of AO's commendation will get, which is probably a good thing in the long run.

[Balasite]

To Repeal a Commendation based on what seems to be Regional or Domestic Social and Political Decisions and Actions is a waste, no issue with the nation accused has caused a stir within the World Assembly.

-The Pentagon Council (Confederate Union of Balasite, Regional Delegate-Arctic)

[Icesun]

Voting against.

Quite frankly, the regions actions as stated in the act for repealing their commendation just seem funny - but harmless.

This issue, in this member states humble opinion, smacks of "Mrs. Grundy".

And as Lazarus Long observed: "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite. "

With Regards,
Ms. Elizabeth A. Schules
President,
The Constitutional Monarchy of Icesun,
The Midwestern Rim.

[Yohannes]

His imperial majesty's government has decided that to abstain upon this proposal would be the wisest choice for his majesty's government course of action.

Sincerely yours
-Donata Setyoutomo-
First Minister of the Indonesian Empire

[Unibot]

Somoene commented on an offsite forum that the resolution reads more like a condemnation of AO than a repeal of their commendation (the text of which is not referred to). While I'd be pleased to see their commendation gone, and I agree with the points raised in the repeal - it just doesn't seem right as a repeal. I'm abstaining on this one.

It's a lot less hot than anything anyone who really had fiery feelings against AO would write (based on his ideas in the other thread, I'm guessing Unibot thinks it isn't harsh enough - and I admit, I probably would have written something with a different tone). I think this is as tame and IC as a repeal of AO's commendation will get, which is probably a good thing in the long run.

I think because the author of this repeal is the author of the commendation, the author refrained from attacking the text which is easy to attack.. and the author is a friend of AO, which explains the IC tameness. I didn't submit something because (1) It would be a backlash move, and immature of me. (2) I would be lucky not to stray from the text of the original and not attack those .. err.. unwholesome individuals who have caused great troubles for both my colleagues and I, in the past and likely the future. (3) I'd never hear the end of it from AO members, I can see the thread now, "Vanity Fair takes Candy from Penguins!", or some shit like that. (4) I didn't like it when "Repeal 'Liberate The Security Council'" was passed in those circumstances, and I can't honestly say that any repeal attempt by me would be any different from that repeal.

I'm not happy with this text, and to say that the text doesn't matter is silly, it matters quite a bit. But I'm not going to go commend the web-footed bastards again just so that I can take it away from them properly. Although those retributive thoughts do conjure a curious amount of endorphins, I'll be happy with this repeal passed, and the issue buried.

[SchutteGod]

To Repeal a Commendation based on what seems to be Regional or Domestic Social and Political Decisions and Actions is a waste, no issue with the nation accused has caused a stir within the World Assembly.

1) AO is a region, not a nation.
2) It's obviously caused enough of a "stir" to surface in a WA resolution.

I think because the author of this repeal is the author of the commendation, the author refrained from attacking the text which is easy to attack.. and the author is a friend of AO, which explains the IC tameness.

The author, you'll note, is also the OP, and probably does not want her thread loaded with such off-topic bitterness from players whose emotional investment in this game has clearly reached unhealthy levels. Just sayin'.

[Unibot]

I think because the author of this repeal is the author of the commendation, the author refrained from attacking the text which is easy to attack.. and the author is a friend of AO, which explains the IC tameness.

The author, you'll note, is also the OP, and probably does not want her thread loaded with such off-topic bitterness from players whose emotional investment in this game has clearly reached unhealthy levels. Just sayin'.

Uhuh. Okay Kenny. This is the sort of thing that gets people 'emotionally invested' about your antics. For once, this is on-topic bitterness, and I don't really care if you think Mousebumples doesn't want me to question why her repeal doesn't address the text-- if Mouse didn't she/he shouldn't have created a debate thread -- you know, a thread where people question one's motives and scrutinize what they left out because of their own personal biasness .. you know, what you and your cronies do with just about every thread with me as the OP?

How about we just turn this thread into the "AO DOES DESERVE A COMMENDATION, BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER THAN US!" thread, where we pass around cake and smile happily.. maybe toss around some jokes about the old days where you loathed me and everyone else.. and we politely take back the commendation and give it away to charity *cough* Aegara *cough* -- god-forbid that anyone tries to suggest that the original commendation was flawed, and AO doesn't even deserve to stand ten feet in front of one, let alone have one.. that would be .. that would be.. correct, but besides the point, not what the author intended this thread to be about -- which is cake and obeisance!

*passes around cake and bows to Antarctic Oasis*

We will dirty you no longer with this commendation. You're right, it clashes with your World Factbook Entry's color.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

"AO DOES DESERVE A COMMENDATION, BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER THAN US!".

This^^^^

We are better than you. Go suck an egg.

[SchutteGod]

*snipped nonsense*

Frankly, you were closer to the mark with your reply to AD on the 10KI board. Here you really fell off. It's not a little ironic that you can tell 10KIers to get over their paranoia when you have yet to reconcile your own.

[Ardchoille]

Oh, for Pete's sake ... Unibot, MSR, SchutteGod, cut out the personal drama and 5c-an-hour psychoanalysis and get back to the topic. I've been to quilting bees that were less bitchy, and that's saying something!

[Unibot]

*snipped nonsense*

Frankly, you were closer to the mark with your reply to AD on the 10KI board. Here you really fell off. It's not a little ironic that you can tell 10KIers to get over their paranoia when you have yet to reconcile your own.

I don't think 10ki has a paranoia problem, I think AD has a lacking sense of humor and is looking for an excuse to dislike you, when legitimate reasons exist -- and you're attempting to worm out of this commendation that makes you look like a hypocrite when your region ridicules the SC, without worming out it with a legitimate reason expressed in the repeal. You guys don't deserve a commendation, so as er, Yelda said, "Go suck an egg.", if you want to get rid of your commendation, some flesh is going to have to be taken with it. I'm not out to make this a 'personal drama', but seriously, I don't think an undeserving nominee should walk away with a repealed commendation, with the real reasons for that commendation being silenced and instead some happy fantasy about "WA members being rude in the Stranger's Bar", replaces the truth : your regions' attitude towards new players has caused a stagnation in the Security Council, General Assembly, and the World Assembly and the NS United Nations before that. You're so busy calling them, I dunno, vain (that one is personally reserved for me), unskilled, inarticulate, annoying and whatnot, that you'd never have time to I don't know try and help draft stuff better, even if it doesn't align with your nation's ideals of sovereignty. I know I'm not the best at it myself, I mean, I've got a region full of new WA members, and yeah, I'll be honest, some of the stuff they've submitted has been substandard. But at-least I know that in years time they aren't going to have such a view of the senior members of the WA that they'll leave the game, and leave a small base of old-timers to submit resolutions. Their progress as authors isn't going to happen over night, and they're going to need to make mistakes, pass shitty resolutions, before they learn from that, the lure to pass that first resolution is in many cases too irresistible with the quorum rate so achievable for many new players, and I think its the responsibility of older members of the WA to tolerate it to a degree.. you don't have to support their resolutions, but you also don't have to call them names, and isolate them from yourselves. Eventually that has left our community with a heap of trouble, no new player wants to stick with you, because they think you're assholes.. you expect too much of them, too soon (although I'm not preaching paternalization.. there are examples of new players who have passed exceptional first resolutions.. many of whom waited for a long time to submit a resolution, which is a rare breed). I expect some the substandard resolutions by my regions' member-nations will be repealed, maybe even by those same authors, and that proves my point. Resolutions are replaceable, but alienating a new player from the game is irreversible.

*sucks an egg*

[Kalibarr]

Hey! that was my egg!



But seriously, my life has been a lot better sense I stopped participating(well mostly...) in the sniping between AO and the SC Gameplayers. I recommend you guys try it.

[Unibot]

But seriously, my life has been a lot better sense I stopped participating(well mostly...) in the sniping between AO and the SC Gameplayers. I recommend you guys try it.

I'll always have things to say about AO. They're a bunch of talented players who could do a lot for the General Assembly, but they prefer to sit back and call my colleagues names and run their little clubs. The best way to teach new players is to do it by example, and while they have made great examples in the past to look up, its not a participatory example.. new players don't know what it was like to be in a drafting thread for those great resolutions that AO have passed, they just know the result of the drafting.. thats why any newbie knows a good resolution when he sees one, but has no means to draft one 'himself' (drafting takes a lot of talented people). They're one of the most active players in the game, and yet they seem to want to pretend like they're on 'retirement' or something.

[Mahaj]

Go suck an egg.

I happen to like sucking eggs. Protein, you know.

Anyway, I don't think this is a great repeal, so I asked my delegate to vote AGAINST.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

I've got a region full of new WA members

Some of whom were recruited illegally out of player-created regions. But I guess that's one of those triffling matters, sort of like WA multiing, that's only wrong when you get caught at it, eh?

[Krioval]

I'll always have things to say about AO. They're a bunch of talented players who could do a lot for the General Assembly, but they prefer to sit back and call my colleagues names and run their little clubs. The best way to teach new players is to do it by example, and while they have made great examples in the past to look up, its not a participatory example.. new players don't know what it was like to be in a drafting thread for those great resolutions that AO have passed, they just know the result of the drafting.. thats why any newbie knows a good resolution when he sees one, but has no means to draft one 'himself' (drafting takes a lot of talented people). They're one of the most active players in the game, and yet they seem to want to pretend like they're on 'retirement' or something.

Have you considered *not* making passive-aggressive swipes against AO whenever you encounter IC opposition from one of our nations? And let's not lay the blame for newer players delaying their authorship at the feet of AO. If one looks at the resolutions making it to vote, most of them contain the most legalistic language I've seen outside of an actual binding contract. Whether that is good or bad is debatable, but we're not the ones who insist that ages of majority are likely to be set to 0. Also, we're not the types to rewrite a proposal that needs work, clause by clause. I'd much rather see the original author muddle through it to "get" what makes a proposal good than spoon feed it to every newbie who walks through the door. That's our way. If it looks like we're "on retirement or something", maybe it's because we're busy IRL and because many in the WA are attracted to whatever "liberal" cause is in vogue without the slightest consideration of real economic or political ramifications - or even the acknowledgment of those issues.

[Towel Nation]

*snip*

Why is it that you are always the one blowing whistles every time AO farts? You're worse than the little 5 year old kid that has to tell everyone how the magician pulled the rabbit out of his hat after he does just to seem so smart. And I'm not saying it to be mean, but maybe the reason they get so pissed off at some of the people that play this game is because THEY WONT LISTEN!!!

AO has their own way of going about things and they've earned respect from most of the old hands that use to be around before this *waves hands around the SC* came about. When these halls were built, a lot of people left and a lot of people joined. The new guys outnumber the vets and the way business gets carried out has changed as well.

And if you want to start on the whole, they don't ever help with drafting rift, you had best read what Kriviol has said. Everyone piles on and basically writes an entire section for the author and wants it published that way rather than suggesting ideas. Then the fact that all these newer players think they're experts on how laws should be written and don't want to listen to anything outside of what they think they know is right.

[Metania]

*Metania eats popcorn as the Roman Gladiators, er, WA SC members duke it out.

[Hiriaurtung Arororugul]

*Metania eats popcorn as the Roman Gladiators, er, WA SC members duke it out.

*Hiriaurtung Arororugul throws a coconut cream pie at the ambassador from Metania*

[Unibot]

I've got a region full of new WA members

Some of whom were recruited illegally out of player-created regions. But I guess that's one of those triffling matters, sort of like WA multiing, that's only wrong when you get caught at it, eh?

I see. Well as a gesture, I offer 10ki and whatever regions that I invited these players from, to send their recruitment letters to the player(s) they've lost. But I will not tolerate them suggesting they 'own' these players. They're people, Yelda. The mods have already talked to me lots regarding this issue, I don't need you to play mini-mod, especially since no mod that I know of would cut my entire paragraph down to a phrase, and present his little tidbit of evidence that I'm sure he has been waiting to share for weeks now.

*pats Yelda*

Nice find, Lassie. Now, why don't you go and dig up my previous banning from WA? Or that anti-feminist proposal I wrote? Or your dignity?

Have you considered *not* making passive-aggressive swipes against AO whenever you encounter IC opposition from one of our nations? And let's not lay the blame for newer players delaying their authorship at the feet of AO. If one looks at the resolutions making it to vote, most of them contain the most legalistic language I've seen outside of an actual binding contract. Whether that is good or bad is debatable, but we're not the ones who insist that ages of majority are likely to be set to 0.

Actually, I believe I suggested -5. I think if one takes the time to look at the queue they will not find the 'most legalistic language they've seen outside of an actual binding contract'.

Also, we're not the types to rewrite a proposal that needs work, clause by clause. I'd much rather see the original author muddle through it to "get" what makes a proposal good than spoon feed it to every newbie who walks through the door.

Although history would suggest otherwise, I remember Quod and Urgench wasting quite a bit of time on me. Sure, I don't disagree with that philosophy, but if you're accepting that an author has to 'muddle' or otherwise, learn from failure, then why do you also call them names and laugh at them when they do exactly what was expected of them?

maybe it's because we're busy IRL

I've got a region full of new WA members

Some of whom were recruited illegally out of player-created regions. But I guess that's one of those triffling matters, sort of like WA multiing, that's only wrong when you get caught at it, eh?

^^ Yeah. I'm sure. Yelda here seems plenty busy.

*snip*

And I'm not saying it to be mean, but maybe the reason they get so pissed off at some of the people that play this game is because THEY WONT LISTEN!!!

(1) I don't listen to anyone NS, I read their comments. (2) Krioval has stated that it is not AO's style to tell players how to play the game, so the fact that they don't 'listen' shouldn't come to them as a grand surprise.

AO has their own way of going about things and they've earned respect from most of the old hands that use to be around before this *waves hands around the SC* came about. When these halls were built, a lot of people left and a lot of people joined. The new guys outnumber the vets and the way business gets carried out has changed as well.

Yes, I am aware of that.

[Metania]

*Metania eats popcorn as the Roman Gladiators, er, WA SC members duke it out.

*Hiriaurtung Arororugul throws a coconut cream pie at the ambassador from Metania*

* Metal Man wipes the pie off his visor and tastes some of it.

Ah, so you know the customs of our region! Very impressive.

Unfortunately the only pies I have are tungsten-uranium shavings flavored, and you are much too respected by our assembly to deserve something that disgusting.

* He then takes out an anachronistic pair of opera glasses and watches Unibot punch someone