DEFEATED - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"

[Unibotian WA Mission]

Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation


Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#18 | Proposed by: Centaurius Prime

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #18: Commend Sedgistan shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The Security Council,
RECOGNIZING that 'Commend Sedgistan'; while well-intentioned and appropriate at the time, has been superseded by events;

NOTING the many dishonorable actions by Sedgistan which have since come to light;

AMONG these:
• Sedgistan's invasion and grieving of the region Anatolia, forceably ejecting a long-time native, NTO-08 from the region;

• The passwording of the region Austria through S-E-D-G-E(which is ruled by the same leader as Sedgistan), ostensibly to 'protect' the region from invasions, but actually to choke the region of life. Alarmed that it was done without the prior consent of other nations in Austria, and despite an expressed wish by Security Council members to remove the password, Sedgistan refuses to remove the password;

• Sedgistan's betrayal of the nation's home region, Global Right Alliance (GRA). Specifically, Sedgistan's destruction of GRA's community forum/meeting place and sabotage of the region's immigration system and nation-to-nation communication system--actions that caused irreparable damage to the region (the region has lost more than 200 in population since the unprovoked attack);

• Sedgistan's refounding of City in the Sky, a region originally belonging to Falconias, out of spite.

NOTING that the former "Commend Sedgistan" resolution was misleading and implied Sedgistan was solely responsible for the liberation of Feudal Japan, when in fact, it was a cooperative effort between the World Assembly and various defender and non-aligned regions;

DISTRESSED that Sedgistan has betrayed the trust of many nations; including members of the Security Council that previously voted for the commendation;

BELIEVING that the Security Council must hold its commendees accountable for their actions and aspire to a higher standard,

Hereby repeals its commendation of Sedgistan.

Votes For: 35
Votes Against: 105

I smell a raider/gatesville plot.

OPPOSED!

I dunno know about you guys but this one snuck up behind my back.

INTERESTING COMMENTS

• Sedge's criticism of this repeal.
• The Current Vice-President of the GRA's statement on the transgressions that Sedge has been accused of committing.

[Ballotonia]

Yeah, there has been no discussion. Some of the items listed (like passwording Austria) has already been explained thoroughly, and we know that it's in line with what the natives want to see happen there. In contrary to what the proposed resolution says.

Ergo: AGAINST

Ballotonia

[Lady Selina Grey]

I smell a raider/gatesville plot.

Thank you for implying that I am a raider, some of the nicest people I know in this game are raiders.

Where as all my personal experiences with Sedge have ended with me adding another of his puppets to my ignore list.

*Queen Selina awaits the opinion of her Region.*

[Metania]

I saw this one coming. That said, it doesn't appear to have much going for it except trumped up charges. Opposed.

[Nafistan]

Yeah, there has been no discussion. Some of the items listed (like passwording Austria) has already been explained thoroughly, and we know that it's in line with what the natives want to see happen there. In contrary to what the proposed resolution says.

Ergo: AGAINST

Ballotonia

Could you explain his actions?

[Sedgistan]

Could you explain his actions?

I can.

I stayed out of the discussion of the original commendation, as it seemed rather egotistical to get involved. However, given that the repeal is a bunch of lies, I'd like to set the record straight, and to suggest ways that people can independently verify my claims.

• Sedgistan's invasion and grieving of the region Anatolia, forceably ejecting a long-time native, NTO-08 from the region;

I led a defence of this region, because NTO-08 (a non-native) wished to password & re-found it, without the consent of the one actual native of the region - Empire of Romania. As can be seen by looking at Anatolia now, after my defence mission, unfortunately NTO-08 returned to Anatolia and passworded the region - he was the invader.

• The passwording of the region Austria through S-E-D-G-E(which is ruled by the same leader as Sedgistan), ostensibly to 'protect' the region from invasions, but actually to choke the region of life. Alarmed that it was done without the prior consent of other nations in Austria, and despite an expressed wish by Security Council members to remove the password, Sedgistan refuses to remove the password;

Regarding this, I would urge you to talk to any of the natives of Austria, as they are all in agreement with me about the passwording of the region. There was no "wish by Security Council members to remove the password" - one person wanted the password removed, so that his region could take over Austria (see this thread). At the moment, the members of Austria are trying to re-found, and we need the password in place to protect us during this process.

• Sedgistan's betrayal of the nation's home region, Global Right Alliance (GRA). Specifically, Sedgistan's destruction of GRA's community forum/meeting place and sabotage of the region's immigration system and nation-to-nation communication system--actions that caused irreparable damage to the region (the region has lost more than 200 in population since the unprovoked attack);

I don't deny that I fell out with some members of the GRA, and left the region. However, to attribute the decline in population to me is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. The GRA still has access to the recruiting site which I introduced them to. The population has only dropped because I was the one who did nearly all the recruiting, and now I've gone, it appears that none of them can be bothered to recruit.

• Sedgistan's refounding of City in the Sky, a region originally belonging to Falconias, out of spite.

Falconias is a friend of mine. The region was not re-founded "out of spite" but because of a light-hearted, non-serious rivalry between us. I was one of the original members of City in the Sky, when it was a functioning region back in 2007. I was in fact the second person to re-found the region after Falconias let it cease-to-exist - another of the former natives (Ouch my heads aka Drop Your Pants) had re-founded it also to wind-up Falc. If you don't believe me, ask Falconias (though he's more-or-less retired from NS at the moment, so may be slow in replying).

NOTING that the former "Commend Sedgistan" resolution was misleading and implied Sedgistan was solely responsible for the liberation of Feudal Japan, when in fact, it was a cooperative effort between the World Assembly and various defender and non-aligned regions;

The resolution did not imply I was solely responsible for the liberation of Feudal Japan - in fact, it lists the 12 organisations that took part in the liberation. All the resolution actually says about Feudal Japan is that I was the one who authored the liberation resolution, and led the actual liberation - both true.

That'll probably be my only input in this dicussion - if someone has burning questions that they have to ask, they can telegram me.

I do hope, however, that Centaurius Prime (whoever that is) turns up to defend their resolution.

[TannerFrankLand]

Unfortunately, I must side against this resolution... due to it being bull shit.

Stop trying to repeal my resolutions while I'm inactive!

*goes back to sleep*

[SkyMasters]

I agree that there's a hell of a lot of raider bias- I can't say that there isn't as I have fought for the opposite side of the coin for at least two of those new reasons listed. But I encourage all raiders to vote yes anyway

[Nafistan]

After reading the explaination I will definitely vote against this.

[Mahaj]

I'm... indecisive on this. I don't know why.

And since I wind up telling our delegate how to vote and then he does so, feel free to send me telegrams lobbying me to your side.

[Magloire]

Sniffs Sedgistan. "Smells okay." Proceeds to vote against the repeal.

[Firstaria]

Well, Sedge gave a good response for every single point of the repeal, so Firstaria will vote aganist and encourage the ITALIA region to vote "no" too.

[Glen-Rhodes]

So, legit question: does Rule 4 not apply to repeals of C&Cs, or is 'passwording' legal? Not trying to start a huge fight, I'm just curious.

[Unibot]

So, legit question: does Rule 4 not apply to repeals of C&Cs, or is 'passwording' legal? Not trying to start a huge fight, I'm just curious.

'Passwording' is legal, I believe. 'Delegate imposed barriers' is more preferred though.

[A mean old man]

I'm... indecisive on this. I don't know why.

Same.

The rest of the Holy Quadrinity knows the reason why I dislike the original resolution. Although that's not a reason to support something repealing it which isn't completely legitimate. And I can't help but suspect that an entity with different goals than achieving what's best for the SC is behind this resolution. Of course, that would all mean I would be against this, however the fact that parts of the text make sense to me is a problem. My views on this could have been much more black-and-white if there hadn't been a real and serious conflict in GRA in which Sedge actually was a destructive influence (and I really see no reason for what Sedge did to GRA's forums besides the few ideas I have been able to pull from researching the incident, such as his sore loss of a presidential election to Uropa and afterwards a failed trial of Uropa, who Sedge had suspected of fraud in the election) and if Sedge had responded to the whole Austria issue (and multiple other recent issues) in a more prudent and less aloof fashion. Sometimes one just need to set one's pride aside and think about what makes good PR rather than what one thinks is unnecessary or beneath oneself.

I know I'm saying this like you're not in the theoretical "room," Sedge, but I think it's best that you see it in this form. We shouldn't hide our thoughts on someone else's actions from them. Please don't take this as deliberately nasty or harsh criticism of you or how you've been doing your job; it isn't. These ideas aren't meant to attack you; they're meant to give you an idea of an impression you might be making on people who are generally on your side. They should mean a bit more coming from someone whose political goal is not your destruction (and is, in fact, quite the opposite).

I think I'll leave it mostly to my region to decide how I vote on this one.

[The Rich Port]

It'd be nice if Centarius Prime set up some defense. Otherwise, I'm voting AGAINST thanks to Sedgistan's coming on here and giving info.

[Unibot]

I'm... indecisive on this. I don't know why.

Same.

The rest of the Holy Quadrinity knows the reason why I dislike the original resolution. Although that's not a reason to support something repealing it which isn't completely legitimate. And I can't help but suspect that an entity with different goals than achieving what's best for the SC is behind this resolution. Of course, that would all mean I would be against this, however the fact that parts of the text make sense to me is a problem. My views on this could have been much more black-and-white if there hadn't been a real and serious conflict in GRA in which Sedge actually was a destructive influence (and I really see no reason for what Sedge did to GRA's forums besides the few ideas I have been able to pull from researching the incident, such as his sore loss of a presidential election to Uropa and afterwards a failed trial of Uropa, who Sedge had suspected of fraud in the election) and if Sedge had responded to the whole Austria issue (and multiple other recent issues) in a more prudent and less aloof fashion. Sometimes one just need to set one's pride aside and think about what makes good PR rather than what one thinks is unnecessary or beneath oneself.

I know I'm saying this like you're not in the theoretical "room," Sedge, but I think it's best that you see it in this form. We shouldn't hide our thoughts on someone else's actions from them. Please don't take this as deliberately nasty or harsh criticism of you or how you've been doing your job; it isn't. These ideas aren't meant to attack you; they're meant to give you an idea of an impression you might be making on people who are generally on your side. They should mean a bit more coming from someone whose political goal is not your destruction (and is, in fact, quite the opposite).

I think I'll leave it mostly to my region to decide how I vote on this one.

I didn't realize we were commended for our future actions.

[Kalibarr]

I smell a raider/gatesville plot.

I know, those darn invaders don't do anything but get in the way!

[A mean old man]

I didn't realize we were commended for our future actions.

A meager response to a large number of ideas.


Of course not, Uni. However, if future actions are poor enough that they warrant a repeal of our commendations, then such a repeal must be considered.

Sedge's attitude seems to be slipping lately, which could very well be a result of issues beyond his control and beyond our knowledge; however, I am afraid his currently poor attitude might be affecting his decisions in a very negative way. I'd like to bring that to his attention. Whether or not he wants to do anything about it is his choice.

Sedge has contacted me regarding the whole GRA incident. I was apparently wrong about his losing the election (I was not wrong about the failed trial, the thread for which I read through myself), however I still see no reasonable justification for what he did there, not even that which he has provided me. I will look into gaining a better understanding of it, as he has asked me to, though.

However, this resolution still seems like a lot of cleverly-timed hokey, so I'm not in any way saying that I agree with it. Sedge has slipped a bit lately, which can happen to all of us, and I don't think he deserves to lose his commendation over a slump which he might be able to pull himself out of.


You know that I dislike the original commendation itself, though, Unibot, which is really the main reason why I'm not voting against this resolution. I'm not voting for it, either. I've placed my official position as ABSTAIN. My region will most likely follow suit.

[Unibot]

I didn't realize we were commended for our future actions.

A meager response to a large number of ideas.


Of course not, Uni. However, if future actions are poor enough that they warrant a repeal of our commendations, then such a repeal must be considered.

If we do not consider future actions as applicable to justification for a commendation, neither should future actions be used as justification for a repeal of said resolution. People change, the Sedge we commended is still immortalized by Security Council decree until evidence shatters not our confidence in future Sedge, but the Sedge we commended. This repeal doesn't attack the Sedge we commended, it attacks the future version of himself.

[Dai Coon Ree]

"In all kender and with all due Respect to the noble Forum, we smell a silly treat or Drama, Envy and Greed here. Something which we shouldnt involve with if we are the noble House I suppose we are. Dai Coon Ree votes against such mere childish drama scene presented."


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[Danyl]

The Serene Nation of Danyl also smells something fishy with this Repeal resolution. I'm siding with Sedge here based on his apparently honest response and voting against this seemingly petty resolution.

[A mean old man]

If we do not consider future actions as applicable to justification for a commendation, neither should future actions be used as justification for a repeal of said resolution. People change, the Sedge we commended is still immortalized by Security Council decree until evidence shatters not our confidence in future Sedge, but the Sedge we commended. This repeal doesn't attack the Sedge we commended, it attacks the future version of himself.

I was going to bring up your arguments for repealing the commendation of AO here, but I see you have cleverly based those arguments on AO's nature at the time (and before) the region was commended rather than on any sort of change in their activity afterwards.

Our fundamental beliefs on this issue are different, then. Let's not argue it here, though, if we are going to argue it at all.

[Unibot]

If we do not consider future actions as applicable to justification for a commendation, neither should future actions be used as justification for a repeal of said resolution. People change, the Sedge we commended is still immortalized by Security Council decree until evidence shatters not our confidence in future Sedge, but the Sedge we commended. This repeal doesn't attack the Sedge we commended, it attacks the future version of himself.

I was going to bring up your arguments for repealing the commendation of AO here, but I see you have cleverly based those arguments on AO's nature at the time (and before) the region was commended rather than on any sort of change in their activity afterwards.

[Haalstad]

This vote has caused lots of trouble. I've got several votes telling me to vote on both sides. I'm not appreciating this add campaign at all.