[AT VOTE] Condemn NWO

[Ardchoille]

A whole other ballgame full of potential dickwaving?

So incredibly mature. How old am I, again...?

Well, we better watch out for this sort of thing if anyone tries to condemn Mencer... that name sounds pretty masculine, if you ask me!

Heh. It's like trailing a piece of string past a kitty-cat ... I knew I could rely on you, AMOM!

[The Followers of Lugh]

Just a note about NWO.

They didnt killed The Pirate States, or more informally "TPS".

They did a failed attempted at raiding it when our founder was unactive. they failed and they began to spam our RMB, our Forum, Impersonating some of us (myself included) and doing similar stuff.

The reason why our region "died out" is simple and totally unrelated with NWO. Our founder went unacitve and stopped recruiting. We couldnt do the same recruitment as her and eventually a lot of nations ceased to exist and no new came. After some time we resigned to the idea of recruiting and more nations kept ceasing to exist and it became what we knoe today. a 14 nations region.

No great mistery, no great success of NWO to brag about. Just a terrible failure of them for being incapable of raiding TPS with an innactive founder AND an inactive WAdelegate. Also, they were both WillD and Tim-opolis multi-WA (having more than one WA nation per person). So a failed raid in that conditions is something more to be ashamed of then to brag about.

What is my point with this story?

The propousal lies when it says that they "destroyed TPS"

[Potato World]

Proposal is through. Time to change title tag, Grand Millian.

[Unibot]

I feel shocked and dismayed.

Opposed.

[Ballotonia]

I'm shocked and dismayed as well, albeit more at the fact that this proposal has come to vote than at what is stated in the proposal itself.

And that's not even considering then that what the proposal states is embellished drivel. The NWO is boasting here, attempting for them to gain notoriety by getting a badge (instead of the opposite: earning a badge by being notorious in the first place). The reason should be obvious: the badge will assist them in becoming a bigger region.

And look, their first new recruit has already arrived (copied from their WFE): "Hey, I'm new, but I want to get involved in raiding. What does that mean?". Congrats, compliments from the folks who supported that proposal without thinking it through, plus the invader delegates who are trying to help their comrades in NWO.

Thing is, they're not even making a secret of it how badly they want to be condemned. For one, they sent out this TM:

The Undead Army District of Tim-Opolis

IF YOU GET THIS MORE THAN ONCE I AM TERRIBLY SORRY

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal/council=2

I would really like for you to condemn NWO. They have been raiding and causing havoc. They also cause spam attacks and have been known to hack into regional forums.
I believe that this condemning will stop them. Yes I reside here but I do it as a double agent

If you already got this or you already approved it I am sincerely sorry. I have been trying to filter you guys out but I cant get everyone

Please telegram me with your reply

Note the obviously bogus 'double agent' claim, and this despite being very vocal on both the NWO WFE and in this thread about how much Tim-Opolis really wants his own NWO to be condemned.

OPPOSED. Duh.

Ballotonia

[Metania]

Headscratching as to why being a raider is a major reason to condemn. There's different types of raider, and in my experience, confusing normal ones with the griefers is too common. Without any evidence that they 'destroyed' anything (if anything, evidence to the contrary)... against.

[Unibot]

It's sad when "Commend Just Guy" would be a better proposal to have come to vote.

[Echoshock]

It's sad when "Commend Just Guy" would be a better proposal to have come to vote.

Yeah, it seems that this condemnation was hastily thrown together. In a way, this reminds me of the gatesville vote, in the way that it is hilarious and in my opinion should be ignored.

[LionWhyte]

I am against this measure, because i see nothing wrong with anything that their doing.

[Kaichou]

Why give extra credit to a small collective of ego thriving boys; They made no impressive feats to earn it.

No reason to either Condemn or Commend this region.

[Fuaidh Mor]

Ha Ha NWO are even any good at making themselves unpopular, which surely is the most easy thing in th world to do. Fail.

[Pythria]

When I saw that this had made it to vote, first I fell off my chair laughing. Then I facepalmed myself half to death.

[Ardchoilleans]

My delegation also finds it surprising that this proposal was able to generate enough support to bring it to vote. It just barely succeeds in being a condemnation for the way the raiding is done, rather than being merely a condemnation for being raiders.

As some have already pointed out and I'm sure others still to come will point out, probably at inordinate length, raiding is not illegal. What matters, and what may justly be the subject of censure by this chamber, is the manner in which it is carried out.

Only one clause of this proposal condemns the actual manner in which the NWO has carried out specific raids. I am not qualified to comment on the events described in this clause, but I notice that the details have been called into question by earlier speakers. Nor do I believe that a simple tally of the number of raids -- especially a tally that we are told is inaccurate -- is sufficient to justify our condemning this region.

The rest of the NWO activity that is supposed to have caused "shock and dismay" to members of this body centres on the assertion that it has a large spy network, and that the spy network is successful.

I have to ask, if the spy network is so successful, how come its existence is so widely known? I would have thought a truly successful spy network would be one that remained undetected.

The only shock and dismay I can bring myself to feel in relation to the spies is that a member of the regional government would admit their existence.

I would like to say firmly and categorically that my government has no spies anywhere. Absolutely none. Particularly in the holdings of those who have tried to subvert our politics and frustrate our, er, clever tricks.

If any spies were ever put to death anywhere while singing Advance Ardchoille, I am sure that they were imposters planted by our enemies in an attempt to blacken our international reputation. They would in no way resemble the noble and heroic, ah, public servants, er, researchers and, um, librarians who legitimately ensure that our government is fully informed on matters of import. *notes allotted speech time running out. Gabbles:*

Consequently, my government does not find in this proposal sufficient reason to condemn the NWO. We vote against.

-- Walter Arbuthnot, Engineer Primus of the Hermeneutical Order of the Shattered Fourth Rampart; Security Council delegate, Ardchoille.

[Pythria]

-snip-

Who are you? Never seen you around here before...

[Kalibarr]

-snip-

Who are you? Never seen you around here before...

"...Last edited by Pythria on Wed Dec 31, 1969 8:00 pm..."

That's odd...

[A mean old man]

Who are you? Never seen you around here before...

"...Last edited by Pythria on Wed Dec 31, 1969 8:00 pm..."

That's odd...

Holy shit!

He's a time-traveler!

...and he brought NationStates back to a time when it didn't even exist! Hell, I don't know if the internet even existed then! What will the consequences of this space-time continuum meddling be!?

[Ardchoille]

-snip-

Who are you? Never seen you around here before...

*rips off false moustache*

*removes tinted glasses*

MWA-HA-HAAAHHH! I AM A MASTER OF DISGUISE!

(I've used Ardchoilleans here and occasionally in the GA to RP my votes so nobody need think my comments are mod rulings. The SC rep is usually at odds with all members of my GA delegation and sometimes also with the government.)

[South Titania]

We should just condemn the WA for allowing proposals like these to pass

[TimD]

I just want to say. NWO werent the ones to bring this proposal was. The ISF founder was

[Drinent]

Raiding isn't evil and on that basis The Empire can not support this condemnation.

[Dottiestan]

Ok I am going to try to condemn NWO please sorport me and tell me if you find any errors or you want to add something to the proposal

Proposal so far
Condemn NWO

Finding that NWO is a raider region who has caused the destruction or crippling of 30 regions,

Noting that NWO dose not take credit for some of their raids so a exact count is imposable to find out,

Further Noting that NWO has raided regions with out being provoked to do so like NWO's raid on the collapsed region Ninja Pirate awesome town and its recent unprovoked attack on Imperium Sine Fine and killing the region of TPS who formally had 80 members,

Recognizing that NWO's very large spy network, of over 60 undercover nations, is a great problem to the security of many regions most of whom don't even know they have been infiltrated,

Also Recognizing that this spy network has sent forced many regions into submission due to the skill of its agents,

Finding that the NWO spy network is one legitimate reason to Condemn a region based on on Security Council Resolution number 27, "Condemn Unknown", which states, “the regional government... is responsible for the actions of its agents”,

KNOWING that while it may be impossible to stop raiding, it can still be discouraged, as long as nations all over NationStates take action against the raiders,

Hereby Condemns the region of NWO for the reasons stated above

Once again, one nation attempts to condemn another without providing supporting evidence.

[Stutenland]

With all do respect to his excellency of Grand Millian, the Federal Meritocracy of Stutenland is not able to endorse this condemnation at this time, seeing as how we of our great nation have not been thoroughly convinced that this region's actions have been fully explained by your excellency. Thusly, we must side against this condemnation for now, unless more facts are brought to light.

[Echoshock]

*looks at gatesville vote*
*looks at this one*
Hmmmm... the attitudes of both communities are the same practically... and this should never have come to vote. I urge you all to witdraw your vote, and if you aren't going to do that, at least vote against.

Anyways, we are ignoring a far more troublesome fact:

"...Last edited by Pythria on Wed Dec 31, 1969 8:00 pm..."

That's odd...

Holy shit!

He's a time-traveler!

...and he brought NationStates back to a time when it didn't even exist! Hell, I don't know if the internet even existed then! What will the consequences of this space-time continuum meddling be!?

This person can TIME TRAVEL. We need that technology.

[Reseda Island]

what a waste of time, the s.c. has become

[Mahaj]

TIME TRAVELING RULES!!!


anyway...

KNOWING that while it may be impossible to stop raiding, it can still be discouraged, as long as nations all over NationStates take action against the raiders,

Hereby Condemns the region of NWO for the reasons stated above

i just took the second reason here.

As a raider, I am deeply offended. Not really. But still, its stupid to condemn a region for raiding. We should condemn regions for DEFENDING, THATS WHAT WE ATTA DO!!!

so they want to Condemn so that raiding can be DISCOURAGED? stupid.

as long as nations all over NationStates

Is this a Rule IV violation?