[PASSED] Liberate Greece

[Hollowfrost]

Hollowfrost, it's ethnically Celtic and Hellenistic population, the state Hollowfrost Orthodox Church, his majesty Ryan I, and the Most Reverend Patriarch Constantinos XXIII do offer support for this resolution. FOR.

[A mean old man]

However, it's been a week or two since he repeal failed, if people were telegraphing me to vote for their proposals because of the spotlight, then they would've done it by now, not suddenly I've gotten four messages in a two hour span to vote for something?

Every once in a while the queue gets flooded. It happens. Sometimes it's empty, sometimes it's overflowing with new proposals. Sometimes there's a nice balance. However, it's flooded at the moment. The proposals that are there now weren't there two weeks ago, which is why you didn't get lobbying telegrams for them then. However, multiple authors submitted proposals in the past few days and have been lobbying for them since, which is why you received so many messages over so short a period of time.

It sounded very suspicious to me, I got paranoid, then, when I received a message telling me that these people sending me messages to vote for something worked their asses of hard to get something passed, I called bullshit, none of them were involved in the draft created by T.F.L during the actual repeal, not the offspring repeals that had no real backbone. I apologize for my little outbreak, personal problems shouldn't get involved in the S.C forum.

It's alright. This kind of thing is part of what being a delegate is all about; I'm sure you'll have weird interactions like this again in the future and will be able to handle them better after more experience.

Also, flipping out is never a good thing to do, and can often wind up creating a worse situation than existed before. Trust me; I know from experience. And there are plenty of people here who know from experience as well. That's just a general bit of knowledge that is good to keep in mind.

I just tend to get very defensive when a delegate attacks me for trying to lobby a proposal, because I usually put a lot of effort into writing, drafting, submitting, lobbying, and passing them, and having somebody yelling at me about it while I'm working on it is not pleasant.

Oh, and Unibot actually has worked a lot on the many past attempts to repeal NAZI EUROPE's condemnation, alongside TannkerFrankLand. The one we voted on recently was only the latest in a long line of attempts at repealing that legislation.

[Australia141]

I voted for the proposal on behalf of my people.

[Wanjestay]

Voted. For.

I don't like invaders.

[Blue Wolf II]

Yeah? Well, invaders don't like you, so there.

[The Asylum Manager]

The Ambassador to TAM still remembers when a slow attempt to invade our region was thwarted at the last instance by a defender group. After the second attempt we decided to re-found our region, and we managed to do it just like we planned. In any case, when a region is passworded, either that's because the natives are suspicious of outsiders, or there's something 'nasty' going on there. We are extremely sympathetic to the defender-group for helping us during our re-found and thus vote FOR on any liberation attempt on regions which weren't as lucky as we once were. We believe our Delegate will do likewise.

We yield the floor

[Comnemnus]

Just to clear a few things up regarding Greece and ERE (or 01ERE as we used to be)

Firstly, we were originaly invited into Greece by Grandon to help defend the region when it was founderless. As a result of this successful defence Greece freely decided to join the ERE Alliance.

Greece was left pretty much to its own devices.

Presumably to make the region more secure Grandon and the other native nations let the region expire, so, it could be refounded with a founder. Unfortunately as we all know Yauna got there first. ERE was not involved in the refounding.

We have retaken the region a couple of times, but founder always reserects and ejects all WA nations that are not Persian. They even ejected the Persians once
With a founder like that there is no point wasting time trying to re-take it.

We have removed all our active nations from Greece.

Our intensions in Greece were always to keep the region open for anyone interested in Greek culture and history, and to leave it, if that was what requested.

I have voted for the motion, although I fear that it will not help Greece totaly.

Greece still does not have enough WA nations to defend itself, or eject the Persians.

Comnemnus

Ex WA Delegate

[Terrmish]

Just to clear a few things up regarding Greece and ERE (or 01ERE as we used to be)

Firstly, we were originaly invited into Greece by Grandon to help defend the region when it was founderless. As a result of this successful defence Greece freely decided to join the ERE Alliance.

Greece was left pretty much to its own devices.

Presumably to make the region more secure Grandon and the other native nations let the region expire, so, it could be refounded with a founder. Unfortunately as we all know Yauna got there first. ERE was not involved in the refounding.

We have retaken the region a couple of times, but founder always reserects and ejects all WA nations that are not Persian. They even ejected the Persians once
With a founder like that there is no point wasting time trying to re-take it.

We have removed all our active nations from Greece.

Our intensions in Greece were always to keep the region open for anyone interested in Greek culture and history, and to leave it, if that was what requested.

I have voted for the motion, although I fear that it will not help Greece totaly.

Greece still does not have enough WA nations to defend itself, or eject the Persians.

Comnemnus

Ex WA Delegate

He is right about it being rather weak after its liberation, not to mention most of the nations within it are barley active and it will be close to a ghost region once it is liberated. There must be people outside of the region to re-populate it and protect it.

[Dinarii]

This resolution has my full support

[Severania]

You have the support of Severania.

[Metania]

Ideally, the proposal would allow the 'natives' of Greece to take over, then refound it, removing the pro-Persion zombie nation from having a chance of pulling those maneuvers again.

[Monte Castello]

Monte Castello will not be voting on this resolution, given the fact that we fail to see what it is exactly that the WA would be able to do if such a motion is passed.

~ Monte Castellan Ministry of External Affairs

[Fuaidh Mor]

Whilst I applaud the efforts of Uni and the others in drafting this motion I can't help feeling the whole thing could be a waste of time. It looks as though this will pass, so what happens then? Even if a Defender action can get the Persians out, you still have to find a new Founder who is ideally both a 'Native' and active at the same time. Whilst there are a few of the former they really don't fall in to the active category at all, so you end up with as Terrmish said a 'ghost' Region which is really all there is at the moment anyway.

[Unibot]

Whilst I applaud the efforts of Uni and the others in drafting this motion I can't help feeling the whole thing could be a waste of time. It looks as though this will pass, so what happens then? Even if a Defender action can get the Persians out, you still have to find a new Founder who is ideally both a 'Native' and active at the same time. Whilst there are a few of the former they really don't fall in to the active category at all, so you end up with as Terrmish said a 'ghost' Region which is really all there is at the moment anyway.

I'm looking to the future -- when Macedon captured Brazil, I got telegrams from Brazilians who practically begged me to liberate Brazil, I had to tell them that Brazil was refounded by Macedon, not passworded .. so the situation was beyond my control. I asked them if they were natives, and they answered "no.. I'm a Brazilian." Maybe we don't have any natural entitlements on NS, but I believe we should strive to protect a right to move to a region that represents your physical nation in RL. I happen to have that option because I'm a Canadian, I've chosen not to move to Canada, but I'd like Greek people to have the same right on NationStates for their region in future years from now. *shrugs*

Call me an idealist.

[Holy Roman Confederate]

I strongly support this motion.

[Fuaidh Mor]

Well it has just this moment passed so now we can find out what happens next I guess.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Now the resolution has been passed, it won't be long until that vicious circle I described a few days ago is broken.

[A mean old man]

• 4 minutes ago: The Security Council resolution "Liberate Greece" was passed 3,414 votes to 1,213.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

• 4 minutes ago: The Security Council resolution "Liberate Greece" was passed 3,414 votes to 1,213.

Ms. Harper's gnomes have received a copy for the library. I am very hopeful that now Greece isn't going to suffer the fate that the Czech Republic did...

[A mean old man]

Apparently the invader delegate was active 38 days ago. Overthrowing him will be a cakewalk.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Apparently the invader delegate was active 38 days ago. Overthrowing him will be a cakewalk.

I hope so, honoured ambassador.

EDIT: 9 minutes ago: Hornopolis seized the position of Greece WA Delegate from The Kingdom of Khoresm. So it looks like it has succeeded.

[Metania]

Yes. Then, hopefully, the region can be refounded, permanently removing that Yauna person from being able to mess it up.

[Keeial]

What ever happened to Grecce being bankrupt.

[Slakonian]

I am Greek and so i say,LIBERATE GREECE.

[Evil Wolf]

The founder came back and ejected all the so-called defenders who came to "liberate" the region.

Hail victory!