Defeated: Nuclear Weapon Test Ban

[Embolalia]

My second point still stands though. This law would violate the member nation's rights to free decisionmaking. In addition, how exactly should the WA member nations develop something if they aren't allowed to test it in some way ? Not being able to test something you are developing is just asking for trouble. There are a lot of things that need to be considered during tng as complex as nuclear weapons, some of which require testing to eliminate potentially fatal malfunctions. There is a reason why these tests are carried out you know, and to take away the right to carry out those tests would be to invite potentially fatal construction errors or misjudgements.

In other words, NatSov. Besides, nothing here says you can't buy from another (non-WA) nation. Also, potentially fatal malfunctions? Wouldn't fatality be exactly the point?

[Genomita]

I am talking about things like being unable to calculate how strong the explosion would be (you wouldn't want it to turn out too big in most cases) or premature detonations. Also, making your war efforts dependant on another nation is never a good thing. especially if the nation in question might oppose the WA and provide you with faulty equipment to undermine your plans. It's unlikely, but it is possible.

(OOC: Also, this resolution would make the first and second options of issue #151 (Build Bigger Bombs, Advise Scientists) illegal for WA member nations, as both these options result in your nations building and testing nuclear weapons. Do you really want that ? I don't want to have to violate the WA's laws, but I don't want it to interfere with my decisions in solving issues either.)

[Canadai WA Embassy]

How the fuck did this make vote?

[Manticore Reborn]

How the fuck did this make vote?

Although we do agree with the opinion of our colleague from the Canadai WA Embassy, the Star Kingdom of Manticore Reborn would kindly ask the honorable ambassador to confirm to the decorum of this august assembly.

[Canadai WA Embassy]

How the fuck did this make vote?

Although we do agree with the opinion of our colleague from the Canadai WA Embassy, the Star Kingdom of Manticore Reborn would kindly ask the honorable ambassador to confirm to the decorum of this august assembly.

(OOC: All posts, unless otherwise noted, are IC by my prime minister).

We would, but it's September.

[Manticore Reborn]

(OOC: All posts, unless otherwise noted, are IC by my prime minister).

OOC: As are mine

We would, but it's September.

Hrmmmmm.... intones Earl White Haven with a smirk.

[United Marktoria]

Honored Ambassador,
On behalf of the Nations of Cardinalia, I vote against the Resolution-at-Vote. My Constituents and I view it as inadequate, due to the alarming fact that it is only four clauses long. With a complex and sensitive subject such as Nuclear Weapons Testing, it would require more in depth legislation to properly deal with this issue.
Sincerely,
Dr. Henry Bradford
Delegate Ambassador to the World Assembly

[Quadrimmina]

The Republic of Quadrimmina votes AGAINST this resolution. We will not support a dictation of our military policy that makes us more vulnerable to attack by non-WA nations by an inability to upgrade our nuclear arsenal if there is a need for it.

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We rise to make two points about this proposal. The first is to echo the words of the esteemed representative of Flibblites, who correctly noted that this resolution does ban the use of nuclear weapons in war. As the text reads:

if an explosion would send radioactive fallout outside of the territorial limits of the nation carrying out the explosion;

This may or may not be of concern to this body, as any nation that is brash enough to use nuclear weapons in war is not likely to pay heed to WA resolutions in the first place. However, there is a second point to be made here:

"Peaceful" nuclear explosions (carried out for testing or other non-aggressive purposes) are banned if the radioactive effects extend beyond the borders of the testing nation. This means that for a nation to carry out a nuclear test, it must have sufficient territory in which to contain the effects of that test. Not all nations possess such territory, including our own.

The Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii has forsworn the testing and use of nuclear weaponry. However, we recognize that there are other nations of little or no territorial extent that have not. This resolution, however, discriminates against them, because it forbids them from borrowing or leasing territory in other nations for the purpose of nuclear testing.

While we would be pleased to see a ban on nuclear testing, we are unwilling to set a precedent where there is one standard for WA nations of large territory and another for WA nations of little or no territory.

[Manticore Reborn]

We must vote according to our region's wishes, however we a advocating a vote against this proposal. It is a thinly veiled attempt to make war illegal. And while discouraging war is a noble goal, it is impractical for the human, and many other, species.

[The Ainocran Embassy]

Opposed

[Mikedor]

How did this get all those delegate's support?

[Knootoss]

"I've been on holiday for quite long enough... only to come back and find THIS?! Who unleashed the crazy hippy communist monkeys? I thought they had been burned in the great fire of 2009. Catch those monkeys.. catch them... with fire ... fire."

~ Knootian World Assembly Ambassador Aram Koopman, when asked for comment.

[Glen-Rhodes]

For what it's worth, I voted against simply because of it's piss-poor quality. I actually do support a ban on nuclear weapons testing (and use, for that matter).

[Tzorsland]

Ladies and gentlemen of this assembly (we have long gone beyond calling this body “august” … seven whole days if I recall correctly): I rise in support of this fine, simple, dare I say, short resolution. Let’s look at this very simple piece of legislation with close emphasis to the particulars.

HEREBY RESOLVES that all nations shall prohibit, prevent, and not carry out nuclear explosions, test or otherwise, at any place within their jurisdiction or control in the atmosphere, underwater, or in any other environment if an explosion would send radioactive fallout outside of the territorial limits of the nation carrying out the explosion;

There, wasn’t that simple. It’s an inside / outside argument. Now let’s consider the questions raised by some of the delegates including the objections of the Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii who have forsworn the testing and use of (ha ha .. ha ha ha .. sorry I don’t think everyone gets the joke … where was I?)

This resolution does not prevent nuclear war, unless you consider nuclear war blowing weapons in your own territory in hopes that the fallout would annoy your neighbour. If you want a nuclear war, blow someone else’s land up, not your own. Case solved!

The notion of “peaceful” nuclear explosions is an interesting one. Solving one problem at the expense of another is never a good idea; please keep all your “peaceful” atomics fallout free or don’t bother using them near the neighbours.

The last objection to the resolution “our nation is too small” (“not small enough,” according to your neighbours) is also quite simple. You can test anywhere as long as you follow the rules. If you use a willing nation (wait, does it have to be willing … I’ll get back to you on that) that can contain the fallout to within the borders of that nation, you are good to go.

Therefore, knowing that this resolution hasn’t a snowball’s chance on the sun in passing, we vote YEA.

[Globexanter]

This does not say the amount of Radioactivity wich can fall outisde the borders.
I'm against this. Because what if by accident a tiny fragment of this fell outside the border by an inch?
Would we be raided because we let a nuclear weapon fragment pass the border ?

This is idiotic.

[Trecdom2]

AGAINST the resolution. It is far to broad and simple to gain our support.

[New La Habana]

I am voting against this, because there is a serious lack of content and specifics in the clauses.

[Reggenza del Carnaro]

We can't believe some people may value a proposal with the number of words it contains rather than answering to a very obvious question: is the aim of the proposal good or bad?
We think the aim of this proposal being good... everybody may be considered free to poison himself, but poisoning your neighbour is an effective abuse.
Thus we voted FOR.

[Maxaxle]

Why is the vote currently tilted against? Or does this have to do with the *cough cough* medications *cough cough* some leaders are using when making decisions?

[The Emmerian Unions]

Why is the vote currently tilted against? Or does this have to do with the *cough cough* medications *cough cough* some leaders are using when making decisions?

Nope. Others don't like it when someone tries to take something like their nukes away.

[Enn]

Ladies and gentlemen of this assembly (we have long gone beyond calling this body “august” … seven whole days if I recall correctly): I rise in support of this fine, simple, dare I say, short resolution. Let’s look at this very simple piece of legislation with close emphasis to the particulars.

HEREBY RESOLVES that all nations shall prohibit, prevent, and not carry out nuclear explosions, test or otherwise, at any place within their jurisdiction or control in the atmosphere, underwater, or in any other environment if an explosion would send radioactive fallout outside of the territorial limits of the nation carrying out the explosion;

There, wasn’t that simple. It’s an inside / outside argument. Now let’s consider the questions raised by some of the delegates including the objections of the Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii who have forsworn the testing and use of (ha ha .. ha ha ha .. sorry I don’t think everyone gets the joke … where was I?)

This resolution does not prevent nuclear war, unless you consider nuclear war blowing weapons in your own territory in hopes that the fallout would annoy your neighbour. If you want a nuclear war, blow someone else’s land up, not your own. Case solved!

I believe you have misread the proposed resolution.

It states that fallout cannot go outside of the testing nation. If you blow up another country, then that fallout will be outside of your nation.

I hereby cast Enn's vote AGAINST this proposed resolution.

Angelo Lanerik,
Acting WA Ambassador for Enn

[Almaniania]

Almaniania hereby announces that they will vote AGAINST the proposal...
We would like to remind you all on our reasons:
1. It is clearly not written well as if it was done in 10 minutes.
2. It has a lack of reinforcing the ban
3. This would go against General Assembly Resolution 10 (Nuclear Arms Protection Act). Without the ability to test our nuclear power, there is no way in hell newer nations can build nuclear weapons... smaller nations would spend tons of money for these weapons.

We call on all other nations in the World Assembly to vote AGAINST this proposal.

[Genesis Era]

Against.

[Reggenza del Carnaro]

Ladies and gentlemen of this assembly (we have long gone beyond calling this body “august” … seven whole days if I recall correctly): I rise in support of this fine, simple, dare I say, short resolution. Let’s look at this very simple piece of legislation with close emphasis to the particulars.

HEREBY RESOLVES that all nations shall prohibit, prevent, and not carry out nuclear explosions, test or otherwise, at any place within their jurisdiction or control in the atmosphere, underwater, or in any other environment if an explosion would send radioactive fallout outside of the territorial limits of the nation carrying out the explosion;

There, wasn’t that simple. It’s an inside / outside argument. Now let’s consider the questions raised by some of the delegates including the objections of the Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii who have forsworn the testing and use of (ha ha .. ha ha ha .. sorry I don’t think everyone gets the joke … where was I?)

This resolution does not prevent nuclear war, unless you consider nuclear war blowing weapons in your own territory in hopes that the fallout would annoy your neighbour. If you want a nuclear war, blow someone else’s land up, not your own. Case solved!

I believe you have misread the proposed resolution.

It states that fallout cannot go outside of the testing nation. If you blow up another country, then that fallout will be outside of your nation.

I hereby cast Enn's vote AGAINST this proposed resolution.

Angelo Lanerik,
Acting WA Ambassador for Enn

You probably misread the proposal's headline... it's about tests, not bombing other countries (unless you usually test your weapons bombing other countries).