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by Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 23, 2009 2:30 pm
by Absolvability » Sat May 23, 2009 2:40 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:If the only solution that the supporters of this resolution can give, when it comes to the university issue, is to stop providing much-needed financial aid so that students of all socioeconomic backgrounds can attend private universities, it makes me wonder whether or not they support education, or merely support science.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Those opponents that so vehemently abhor this resolution should take comfort on this coming Tuesday that, if "Access to Science in Schools" passes, a repeal will be immediately given to the General Assembly for discussion, and shortly thereafter submitted for vote.
by Flibbleites » Sat May 23, 2009 3:57 pm
Surote wrote:This is the best proposal I've ever seen
by Philadawk » Sat May 23, 2009 4:25 pm
by The Realm of The Realm » Sat May 23, 2009 6:35 pm
by The Krunk Collective » Sat May 23, 2009 6:53 pm
by Absolvability » Sat May 23, 2009 8:13 pm
The Realm of the Realm wrote:More respectful of national sovereignty, and more realistic, would be to establish a WA clearinghouse for science education, to match "generally accepted science" to the corresponding myths which the science "busts". This creates an globally accessible utility.
Let the religion-dazed and crazed take what they can from such a utility, and may they learn and profit from such. When religiously-inspired mystical explanations of the universe are shown, again and again, to fall short of the science, eventually the concept will sink in.
The Krunk Collective wrote:Keep in mind that this resolution does not recognize evolution as absolute, undeniable fact, but rather as theory. The resolution is meant to encourage open-minded scientific/religious debate in hopes of enlightening the world populace.
by Goobergunchia » Sat May 23, 2009 10:03 pm
by Sionis Prioratus » Sat May 23, 2009 10:33 pm
Goobergunchia wrote:I am afraid that we find the objections to requiring a science portion of, say, our public art academy's curriculum overwhelm our support for science in schools. As a result, Goobergunchia votes against. Artists, musicians, and lawyers get all the science they need in secondary school, anyway. I mean, I learned this very useful skill in my physics class!
Goobergunchia wrote:Darren reaches under the Goobergunchian delegation's desk, pulls out two custard pies, and throws one at the ambassador from Urgench and the other at the ambassador from Sionis Prioratus.
[Acting Lord] Darren Funkel
Chief Deputy Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
by Lumatrika » Sun May 24, 2009 2:09 am
by Sionis Prioratus » Sun May 24, 2009 2:25 am
Lumatrika wrote:Acknowledging that there are no absolute truths in science is commendable, but demanding that RELGIOUS views be afforded equal time to scientific theories is appalling.
Draft wrote:ENCOURAGING schools to adopt religious diversity awareness courses, as long as it helps promote greater tolerance and understanding between different peoples,
[...]
4. Whenever Religious views acknowledged as opposing peer-reviewed scientific theories are part of a school curriculum, the time allocated for teaching said peer-reviewed scientific theories in said schools shall be at least the same time that is allocated for said Religious views.
by Commie kitler » Sun May 24, 2009 3:17 am
by The Realm of The Realm » Sun May 24, 2009 5:09 am
Absolvability wrote:Well, though I don't know exactly what a 'clearinghouse' is... basically what you describe is EXACTLY what this resolution does. Presumably the defining line is the difference between a clearinghouse and a school. However, you go on to suggest that this will create a globally accessible utility. Well... what's more global than schools?
I can respect the fact that you believe especially religious nations should be entitled to their own views. And they are certainly not banned from having them. Nor are they banned from teaching them in public schools beyond the fact that equal time must be devoted to science. In the end anybody who wants to show preference to religion still can... since this resolution doesn't effect private schools, and it certainly doesn't effect churches. In the end an International body MUST make decisions for/with other people... and we can only really adhere to our own sense of moral decency and objectivity.
So if you find some small flaw in the resolution... or you would've done it slightly differently... but you still agree with the message in general, don't vote against it. This is a very touchy subject that has been the source of debate for some time. This resolution has come a long way and REQUIRES follow-through.
by Frattastan » Sun May 24, 2009 5:32 am
Category: Education and Creativity / Area of Effect: Educational
ACKNOWLEDGING that in science there are no absolute truths; scientific theories, for example Gravity and Evolution, are subject to be proven wrong.
ACKNOWLEDGING that international prohibition of Religious views in a school setting is contrarian to the principles stated above, therefore no nation shall ever be deprived of the freedom of exposing their young to Religious worldviews, should said nation see it fit,
RESOLVES:
1. Inclusion of peer-reviewed science in schools’ curricula shall from now on be mandatory in public schools and schools that receive governmental aid.
2. Funding for such inclusion shall come from the national education budget and/or – upon request and/or acceptance – from nations willing to provide funding, related reading, human resources, or other resources deemed necessary according to the parties involved.
4. Whenever Religious views acknowledged as opposing peer-reviewed scientific theories are part of a school curriculum, the time allocated for teaching said peer-reviewed scientific theories in said schools shall be at least the same time that is allocated for said Religious views.
6. For even greater clarity, exposure to scientific theories views shall never, ever be a vehicle – be it by objective of subjective means, or any other means – to force acceptance of scientific theories. Freedom of conscience is paramount, and a person can be exposed to scientific theories and reject them altogether for itself, without any negative consequences whatsoever in what regards a person’s public life.
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by Frattastan » Sun May 24, 2009 5:38 am
The Krunk Collective wrote:Keep in mind that this resolution does not recognize evolution as absolute, undeniable fact, but rather as theory. The resolution is meant to encourage open-minded scientific/religious debate in hopes of enlightening the world populace.
Drop Your Pants wrote:I think raiders are cute, the way they think they're big and scary people who threaten others :)
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sun May 24, 2009 5:51 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:...Those opponents that so vehemently abhor this resolution should take comfort on this coming Tuesday that, if "Access to Science in Schools" passes, a repeal will be immediately given to the General Assembly for discussion, and shortly thereafter submitted for vote.
Dr. Bradford Castro
Chief Ambassador, FAA
Regional Delegate, Jordia
by Urgench » Sun May 24, 2009 6:08 am
Goobergunchia wrote:I am afraid that we find the objections to requiring a science portion of, say, our public art academy's curriculum overwhelm our support for science in schools. As a result, Goobergunchia votes against. Artists, musicians, and lawyers get all the science they need in secondary school, anyway. I mean, I learned this very useful skill in my physics class!
Darren reaches under the Goobergunchian delegation's desk, pulls out two custard pies, and throws one at the ambassador from Urgench and the other at the ambassador from Sionis Prioratus.
[Acting Lord] Darren Funkel
Chief Deputy Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
by Absolvability » Sun May 24, 2009 7:44 am
Frattastan wrote:What about Gravity ?
Denial of gravity isn't an "open-minded scientific/religious debate". It's totalitarian dictatorship.
by Sionis Prioratus » Sun May 24, 2009 9:15 am
Frattastan wrote:4. And WTF it means that "Gravity" is "subject to be proven wrong" ?
by Sionis Prioratus » Sun May 24, 2009 9:58 am
Frattastan wrote:4. Whenever Religious views acknowledged as opposing peer-reviewed scientific theories are part of a school curriculum, the time allocated for teaching said peer-reviewed scientific theories in said schools shall be at least the same time that is allocated for said Religious views.
This resolution is mere reaction.
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2. Why a secular state should spend taxpayers' money in teaching religion in schools ? And why it should give to religion the same time allocated for science ?
Draft wrote:ENCOURAGING schools to adopt religious diversity awareness courses, as long as it helps promote greater tolerance and understanding between different peoples,
[...]
4. Whenever Religious views acknowledged as opposing peer-reviewed scientific theories are part of a school curriculum, the time allocated for teaching said peer-reviewed scientific theories in said schools shall be at least the same time that is allocated for said Religious views.
by Australian Labor Party » Sun May 24, 2009 10:12 am
by Sionis Prioratus » Sun May 24, 2009 11:14 am
Australian Labor Party wrote:What it does do is allow gobbledygook to be taught in private schools.
by Urgench » Sun May 24, 2009 11:19 am
Australian Labor Party wrote:To: Kevin Ruddpet, Prime Minister
cc: Steven Smithpet, Foreign Minister
From: Julia Gillpet, Deputy Prime Minister & Education Minister
Hi, Guys.
I recommend we vote against this proposal. It doesn't have anything worthwhile to say about science in schools, whether public or private. What it does do is allow gobbledygook to be taught in private schools. This is against the principles of a national curriculum.
Regards. Jules.
by Absolvability » Sun May 24, 2009 12:42 pm
Urgench wrote:A large part of this statute is also illegal since it conflicts with the already passed resolution #35, the Charter of Civil Rights, since it creates a form of socioeconomic discrimination in provision of education by exempting private schools from regulation in the matter of teaching science and religion.
by Urgench » Sun May 24, 2009 12:51 pm
Absolvability wrote:Urgench wrote:A large part of this statute is also illegal since it conflicts with the already passed resolution #35, the Charter of Civil Rights, since it creates a form of socioeconomic discrimination in provision of education by exempting private schools from regulation in the matter of teaching science and religion.
This resolution is most certainly NOT creating a socioeconomic discrimination. If one already exists then that is just too damn bad. Private Schools were exempt from this resolution because it would've been illegal to include them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_school
"Private schools, also known as independent schools, are not administered by local, state or national governments; thus, they retain the right to select their students and are funded in whole or in part by charging their students tuition, rather than relying on public (state) funds."
That is, despite what the honored Ambassador of Urgench and the good Doctor of Glen-Rhodes think, the definition of a Private school. If a Private school is not administered by a national government then it can not be managed by an International one either.
Private schools are left untouched by this resolution in order to maintain the rights granted in the CoCR. The good Ambassador from Urgench is trying to refute this resolution from so many angles that he is contradicting himself at times.
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