[PASSED!] Safety in Difficult Times (GA #156)

[Sionis Prioratus]

This little nation is NOT paying for all that. In fact, I haven't found a nation that could really afford to do social security at all.

Oh right, National Sovereignty.

No.

Maybe Your Excellency could pay for social security selling the dodoburgers Your Excellency banned sometime ago.

Yours in hunger,

[Sionis Prioratus]

People should pay for social security on there own

We are afraid our translators are showing malfunctions at the moment.

Yours in confusion,

[Embolalia]

This little nation is NOT paying for all that. In fact, I haven't found a nation that could really afford to do social security at all.

Oh right, National Sovereignty.

No.

Just saying NatSov isn't an argument. Really more of a bicker. And if you're looking for a nation that can afford social security, look no further than the gorgeous shores of the United Commonwealth of Embolalia. How does that saying go, when in Rome, QED as the Romans do?

No, no, no, NO! Do not even try this is completely a National state issue NOT WA!

The WA should not be in charge of my citizens Social Security!

Is Your Excellency all right? All that hyperventilation...

Yours in genuine concern,

I am angry at this act.!
Representative Brown

Southrons United angry.! Southrons United no like.! Southrons United no capable spell southerners.! Argh.!

On a more productive note, I like this. Although, the wording in 1 seems a little awkward to me. And I feel like disaster ought to be defined, rather than HoC'ing it.

[Oceanec]

i dont need interference from the W.A. on issues countries must decide. The corporations cover these things and my people dont like goverment interference

[Quadrimmina]

Government 'interference' is necessary to protect those most vulnerable citizens.

[Sionis Prioratus]

Although, the wording in 1 seems a little awkward to me.

What is exactly Your Excellency feels uncomfortable with section 1, or would like to see improved?

Yours warmly,

[Embolalia]

Although, the wording in 1 seems a little awkward to me.

What is exactly Your Excellency feels uncomfortable with section 1, or would like to see improved?

Yours warmly,

The ESTABLISHES makes it read oddly. It's really more the ESTABLISHES that's the problem, now that I'm re-reading it. Perhaps "ESTABLISHES that:"?

[Sionis Prioratus]

(third draft)

[American Capitalist]

We overall support this legislation however we would like to see an exemption for nations who are in a budgetary crisis.

[Sungai Pusat]

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

[Sionis Prioratus]

We overall support this legislation however we would like to see an exemption for nations who are in a budgetary crisis.

We thank Your Excellency for the feedback. That said, might we ask, is this clause not enough?

6) Other provisions:

a) Dispensation of a nation’s social security benefits can be extraordinarily & temporarily suspended if at least three-fourths of said nation’s population have lost their livelihoods; in which case international organizations devoted to humanitarian causes shall prioritize food & clothing distribution to those who otherwise would be receiving social security benefits. Social security benefits shall resume as soon as normalcy is restored;

Anxiously awaiting for further feedback,

Yours truly,

[Sionis Prioratus]

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

6) Other provisions:

b) Individuals shall retain full freedom to, free from duress, decline to receive any benefits from social security.

We thank Your Excellency for the feedback.

Yours truly,

[Quadrimmina]

We overall support this legislation however we would like to see an exemption for nations who are in a budgetary crisis.

What defines a budgetary crisis? We feel SP has sufficiently done so by saying "if at least three-fourths of said nation's population have lost their livelihoods"

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

[American Capitalist]

We overall support this legislation however we would like to see an exemption for nations who are in a budgetary crisis.

We thank Your Excellency for the feedback. That said, might we ask, is this clause not enough?

6) Other provisions:

a) Dispensation of a nation’s social security benefits can be extraordinarily & temporarily suspended if at least three-fourths of said nation’s population have lost their livelihoods; in which case international organizations devoted to humanitarian causes shall prioritize food & clothing distribution to those who otherwise would be receiving social security benefits. Social security benefits shall resume as soon as normalcy is restored;

Anxiously awaiting for further feedback,

Yours truly,

While it does answer part of the problem I'm talking more about nations who have a Debt-to-GDP ratio of over 90% and need to cut back on spending programs.

[Sionis Prioratus]

We thank Your Excellency for the feedback.

While it does answer part of the problem I'm talking more about nations who have a Debt-to-GDP ratio of over 90% and need to cut back on spending programs.

3) Benefits:

b) All contributions considered for the calculation of benefits shall be duly updated, as provided by national laws;

Maybe inserting "and to ensure social security solvency" after "calculation of benefits"?

Anxiously awaiting for further feedback,

Yours in cooperation,

[American Capitalist]

We thank Your Excellency for the feedback.

While it does answer part of the problem I'm talking more about nations who have a Debt-to-GDP ratio of over 90% and need to cut back on spending programs.

3) Benefits:

b) All contributions considered for the calculation of benefits shall be duly updated, as provided by national laws;

Maybe inserting "and to ensure social security solvency" after "calculation of benefits"?

Anxiously awaiting for further feedback,

Yours in cooperation,

That would ease our concerns.

Yours in fighting evil rodents,

[Sungai Pusat]

We overall support this legislation however we would like to see an exemption for nations who are in a budgetary crisis.

What defines a budgetary crisis? We feel SP has sufficiently done so by saying "if at least three-fourths of said nation's population have lost their livelihoods"

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

Yes, it'll be too late. And of course it can work, as long as everyone is well informed.

[Stutenland]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

[Sionis Prioratus]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

We thank Your Excellency's early support, and are extremely humbled Your Excellency would hold us in such high esteem.

Yours warmly,

[Quadrimmina]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

We thank Your Excellency's early support, and are extremely humbled Your Excellency would hold us in such high esteem.

Yours warmly,

Of course, SP should not be surprised. They are a fantastic nation, and have contributed much good to this august assembly.

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

Yes, it'll be too late. And of course it can work, as long as everyone is well informed.

This operates under the assumption that the public IS well-informed. What if the nation or any influential person within intentionally gives them misinformation about the SS program so they'll opt out? I.E. saying that there are "death panels" so that as soon as you get social security, you're killed? To assume that every WA citizen is well-informed is a rather fallacious assumption.

[Sungai Pusat]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

We thank Your Excellency's early support, and are extremely humbled Your Excellency would hold us in such high esteem.

Yours warmly,

Of course, SP should not be surprised. They are a fantastic nation, and have contributed much good to this august assembly.

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

Yes, it'll be too late. And of course it can work, as long as everyone is well informed.

This operates under the assumption that the public IS well-informed. What if the nation or any influential person within intentionally gives them misinformation about the SS program so they'll opt out? I.E. saying that there are "death panels" so that as soon as you get social security, you're killed? To assume that every WA citizen is well-informed is a rather fallacious assumption.

Well, then, laws will need to be made to prevent that since it is corruption of the mind.

[Quadrimmina]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

We thank Your Excellency's early support, and are extremely humbled Your Excellency would hold us in such high esteem.

Yours warmly,

Of course, SP should not be surprised. They are a fantastic nation, and have contributed much good to this august assembly.

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

Yes, it'll be too late. And of course it can work, as long as everyone is well informed.

This operates under the assumption that the public IS well-informed. What if the nation or any influential person within intentionally gives them misinformation about the SS program so they'll opt out? I.E. saying that there are "death panels" so that as soon as you get social security, you're killed? To assume that every WA citizen is well-informed is a rather fallacious assumption.

Well, then, laws will need to be made to prevent that since it is corruption of the mind.

We then request that the honorable delegation from Sionis Prioratus add a clause encouraging education concerning retirement programs, including SS.

Also, how would opt-out work for those who don't collect SS due to old age?

[American Capitalist]

The Premier of Stutenland wishes to express his support for this Act, seeing as how it coincides with our goals and ideology. You are to be commended.

We thank Your Excellency's early support, and are extremely humbled Your Excellency would hold us in such high esteem.

Yours warmly,

Of course, SP should not be surprised. They are a fantastic nation, and have contributed much good to this august assembly.

If this is voluntary for all people in a nation, I accept. If it is not, I disapprove.

If a social security system is optional, how does that work? You choose when you become the age of majority? And then when you become old and realize you made a mistake...is it too late? :\ However, SP has also incorporated that.

Yes, it'll be too late. And of course it can work, as long as everyone is well informed.

This operates under the assumption that the public IS well-informed. What if the nation or any influential person within intentionally gives them misinformation about the SS program so they'll opt out? I.E. saying that there are "death panels" so that as soon as you get social security, you're killed? To assume that every WA citizen is well-informed is a rather fallacious assumption.

Only this is rather simple legislation that any one can read in a minute and not a 2000 page bill. Although any one stupid enough to believe either one is probably yelling about the WA being a OWG conspiracy and gathering gold or something stupid like that.

[Sionis Prioratus]

Well, then, laws will need to be made to prevent that since it is corruption of the mind.

That would be simple, Your Excellency. We would simply have to ban perverse literature such as Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

Yours in defending against incoming objectivist missiles,

[Sungai Pusat]

Well, then, laws will need to be made to prevent that since it is corruption of the mind.

That would be simple, Your Excellency. We would simply have to ban perverse literature such as Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

Yours in defending against incoming objectivist missiles,

No, I mean blockage from something that is in fact beneficial to you. But in the end, it is their decision.