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[DEFEATED] Declaration on Griefing

Postby Fachumonn » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:47 am

IMPORTANT: This is not my proposal.
Proposed by Evermoria
The Security Council,

Defining the term "griefing" as any unprovoked action done with the intent of causing damage to a region,

Expanding the definition to include acts of psychological warfare done over the course of an unprovoked occupation,

Recognizing that any act intended to desecrate cultural artifacts, or the intentional erasure of history, are acts of psychological warfare,

Designates attempting any the following acts as falling under the umbrella of "griefing" when done over the course of, or at the conclusion of, an unprovoked occupation against an innocent region:

  • Ejection or banning of native nations from their native regions
  • Forcible closure of inter-regional embassies
  • Suppression of Regional Message Board posts published by native nations of a region
  • Defacing of, or changing entirely, a region's World Factbook Entry
  • Defacing of, or changing entirely, a region’s flag or banner
  • Premature cessation of existing regional polls
  • Removal or addition of regional tags
  • Creating regional passwords to prevent the freedom of movement
  • Permanent destruction of a region
  • Refounding a new region with the same name as a formerly destroyed region

Understanding that the practice of griefing is a time-honored cultural tradition among raider nations and seen as something to be sought and celebrated,

Disturbed by the trend of raider nations normalizing the practice of griefing,

Horrified by the long term damage that griefing causes a region,

Noting the time, labor, and resources needed to repair damage created by non-permanent griefing after the restoration of native regimes, such as:

  • Contacting ejected native nations and informing them of their ability to move back to their home region
  • Recovering a region's original World Factbook Entry, flag, or banner
  • Meticulously rebuilding any forcibly closed embassies
  • Tedious un-suppression of Regional Message Board posts

Particularly disgusted by the permanency of the unprovoked destruction and refounding of regions,

Gravely denouncing griefing as acts of terrorism to be shunned by civilized nations and worthy of condemnation by the Security Council,

Hereby declares griefing as an unforgivable war crime by the Security Council that serves a serious threat to international stability.

Another one I guess. Ugh
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Postby Upun Ime » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:48 am

illegal.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:35 pm

Upun Ime wrote:illegal.

Really? Please explain how 4 SC Moderators missed an illegality a brand new nation managed to find.

As to the proposal no support - not drafted on the forums and a queue stuffer.
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Postby Of Memers » Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:39 pm

Fachumonn wrote:IMPORTANT: This is not my proposal.
Proposed by Evermoria
[box]snip

Maybe I don't fully get the entry, but I do belive that this resolution is against a recognised function of the game (raiding) which I am not very experienced in WA but I think you cant do that
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Postby Fachumonn » Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:54 pm

Of Memers wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:IMPORTANT: This is not my proposal.
Proposed by Evermoria
[box]snip

Maybe I don't fully get the entry, but I do belive that this resolution is against a recognised function of the game (raiding) which I am not very experienced in WA but I think you cant do that

No you very much can because it is a declaration, which whilst expressing an opinion, is not binding whatsoever.
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Postby Reventus Koth » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:29 pm

Against for the admittedly funny idea of calling griefing a "war crime".
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:59 pm

Another filler proposal aimed to stuff the queue.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:03 pm

Now at vote

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Postby Hammadian » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:26 pm

The resolution presented by Evermoria serves as a crucial declaration regarding international affairs and obligations, specifically addressing the issue of griefing and its implications for global stability. By defining griefing and expanding its scope to include acts of psychological warfare and cultural desecration, the resolution demonstrates a comprehensive understanding of the multifaceted nature of aggression against sovereign regions. Furthermore, the resolution highlights the alarming trend of normalization of griefing by raider nations and emphasizes the extensive efforts required to repair the damage caused. By unequivocally denouncing griefing as an unforgivable war crime, the resolution asserts the commitment of the international community to uphold peace, security, and the principles of sovereignty. It stands as a testament to the collective responsibility of civilized nations to condemn and prevent acts of terrorism and aggression, thereby promoting a safer and more stable world for all.
Support the resolution condemning griefing as a war crime. Protect international stability. Uphold sovereignty. Vote now for peace and justice. Every voice counts in shaping a safer world.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:31 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Upun Ime wrote:illegal.

Really? Please explain how 4 SC Moderators missed an illegality a brand new nation managed to find.

As to the proposal no support - not drafted on the forums and a queue stuffer.

illegal.
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Postby Final Ground » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:34 pm

This thread has influenced me to change my vote to no.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:40 pm

Final Ground wrote:This thread has influenced me to change my vote to no.

Read the proposal. As the author states, griefing is a war crime AND an act of terrorism. Would you invite terrorists and war criminals over to have a barbecue in your backyard? No, so why should the WA be ok with it?
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Postby Souverain Revachol » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:41 pm

While I support this, it seems a tad superfluous.
I'm pretty sure raiders already know what they're doing is pretty mean, and people against raiding probably dislike them enough without having to be told so.
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[AT VOTE] Declaration on Griefing

Postby Hammadian » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:47 pm

The proposal indeed categorizes griefing as both a war crime and an act of terrorism, highlighting its severity. Just as we wouldn't tolerate terrorists or war criminals in our communities, we must not condone or ignore actions that threaten international stability and sovereignty. Supporting this resolution is crucial in demonstrating our commitment to combating such egregious offenses and promoting a safer and more just world for all nations.

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Postby Hammadian » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:55 pm

While the proposed resolution aims to address the serious issue of griefing and its detrimental impacts on regions within the game environment, it's crucial to consider potential unintended consequences. By defining griefing broadly and categorizing it as a war crime, there's a risk of limiting gameplay dynamics and imposing restrictions on legitimate player interactions. Moreover, the designation of griefing as a war crime may lead to increased tensions and disputes within gaming communities, detracting from the overall enjoyment of the gaming experience. While it's essential to combat griefing and promote fair play, a balance must be struck to ensure that the resolution does not inadvertently stifle creativity, competition, and the enjoyment of players within the game environment. Additionally, efforts should be made to address the root causes of griefing, such as addressing underlying grievances and promoting positive community engagement, to foster a more inclusive and harmonious gaming environment for all players.

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Postby Souverain Revachol » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:04 pm

Hammadian wrote:While the proposed resolution aims to address the serious issue of griefing and its detrimental impacts on regions within the game environment, it's crucial to consider potential unintended consequences. By defining griefing broadly and categorizing it as a war crime, there's a risk of limiting gameplay dynamics and imposing restrictions on legitimate player interactions. Moreover, the designation of griefing as a war crime may lead to increased tensions and disputes within gaming communities, detracting from the overall enjoyment of the gaming experience. While it's essential to combat griefing and promote fair play, a balance must be struck to ensure that the resolution does not inadvertently stifle creativity, competition, and the enjoyment of players within the game environment. Additionally, efforts should be made to address the root causes of griefing, such as addressing underlying grievances and promoting positive community engagement, to foster a more inclusive and harmonious gaming environment for all players.

Is bro chatGPT'ing his opinion?
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Postby Nu Elysium » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:12 pm

Hammadian wrote:While the proposed resolution aims to address the serious issue of griefing and its detrimental impacts on regions within the game environment, it's crucial to consider potential unintended consequences. By defining griefing broadly and categorizing it as a war crime, there's a risk of limiting gameplay dynamics and imposing restrictions on legitimate player interactions. Moreover, the designation of griefing as a war crime may lead to increased tensions and disputes within gaming communities, detracting from the overall enjoyment of the gaming experience. While it's essential to combat griefing and promote fair play, a balance must be struck to ensure that the resolution does not inadvertently stifle creativity, competition, and the enjoyment of players within the game environment. Additionally, efforts should be made to address the root causes of griefing, such as addressing underlying grievances and promoting positive community engagement, to foster a more inclusive and harmonious gaming environment for all players.

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Postby Erivin » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:17 pm

The Establishing, Promoting, and Enforcing Security and Safety Both Nationally and Abroad Committee (EPESSBNAC Committee) has advised government officials that Erivin should vote no due to the proposal's intent on labeling griefing as "terrorism" and "war crimes", which the committee disagreed on. They have suggested in a 9-1 vote that, if griefing would be a punishable offense, that it should be more on par with vandalism rather than terrorism.

President Hendrix was also notified about the act, and he was sent a copy of it. Upon reading it, his only words were "good grief!" and he promptly submitted a "no" vote to the Department of World Assembly Communications for the nation immediately afterwards, to submit the vote using their home-grown systems that they still refuse to write any documentation about.

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Postby Tricorniolis » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:20 am

As the voices of the Security Council delegations grew louder and progressively more heated debating the resolution, the Ambassador to the Security Council from Tricorniolis, Mr. Jonathan Ravian, cleared his throat a bit too loudly to attract attention.

"Not to interrupt the....err..impassioned discussions of my fellow delegates, but we would like to have a chance to voice our opinions on this issue."

Sensing the eyes of every individual on him, Ambassador Ravian cleared his throat once again, glanced at the papers on his desk, and began.

"While our nation does support the resolution in principle, we believe that it is lacking in several aspects, especially in making a holistic and balanced approach towards 'griefing'. While it is undoubtedly important that the World Assembly, as a representative of all nations of the world and a beacon of freedom and sovereignty for all, expressly declares its stance against the questionable act of griefing, taking a more proactive approach might injure the cherished and traditional sovereign rights of nations considering themselves as raiders. As such, we support a mere condemnation of acts of griefing, but refrain from supporting any declaration that actively criminalises such acts and imposes the responsibility of collective counter-action on the Assembly. Thank you."

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Postby Aivintis » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:49 am

Against because I'm still salty MY griefing declaration got shot down.

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Postby Rominalos » Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:52 am

The Federation of Rominalos recognizes that:
This resolution is a non-binding declaration, hence it will have little impact on other raider nations who will simply choose to ignore it. In addition, this resolution seems to declare a near-utopian agreement where griefing is internationally condemned. However, we all know this won't happen and will never happen. Raider nations will exist and will continue to exist.

The Federation of Rominalos votes against this resolution.

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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:01 pm

Fachumonn wrote:
Hereby declares griefing as an unforgivable war crime by the Security Council


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Postby WeSuckia » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:14 am

Griefing? A war crime? :rofl:
Seriously, doesn't griefing fall under raiding?
And making griefing an "unforgivable war crime" is just hilarious.
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Postby Hiybkk » Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:41 pm

Plus, doesn't the one who proposed this do some "griefing" himself? If so, that is straight up, hypocritical bullshit.
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Postby Tesseris » Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:45 pm

Griefing is not an unforgivable war crime. And it wouldn't make any difference if it were, still no support. We are not in the WA but we will try to get involved somehow, probably using the Magecastle Strategy.
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